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[B-Roy]

further, Kidd went thru the effort to withdraw his name from Portland candidate list. Why would he do that if the Blazer front office had never contacted him or his agent?

He knew he was getting the Mavs job before Dame's endorsement. Simmons and Rusillo mentioned that the Blazers were willing to interview Kidd on their podcast, Kidd pulled out because he had the Mavs job, and Rusillo usually doesn't mention shit like this unless he's sure of his source.

 

[Wizard Mentor]

Ah, we were all waiting for God to weigh in on this topic in the form of Brian Windhorst and tell us exactly what is going on! Thank you, God/Brian!!

You not eat your wheaties, today?

You cited an article with zero sources, whose only basis was a linked article that had zero sources.
Now, Brian, who I respect, btw, contacts his actual fucking sources which clarifies the situation completely, and you mock it?

 

[calvin natt]

i guess i would just think that after the last four years of our presidency (and of course years before that) we would be more aware of how the media works than taking things too seriously, not doubting the accuracy of their reporting. not all media is bad or wrong, but damn, its a fairly high percentage. these people are wrong as much as they are right.

 

[wizenheimer]

Also, nothing against Wiz since I usually agree with his posts, but the Dame could give a public interview saying he never wants to leave Portland and Wiz could find a way to twist it into an negative against Olshey.

LOL...yeah right

how long has been Dame been saying those exact words? About 9 years, right?

and how long have I wanted Olshey fired? when was 2016?

 

[B-Roy]

LOL...yeah right

how long has been Dame been saying those exact words? About 9 years, right?

and how long have I wanted Olshey fired? when was 2016?

All I'm saying is you can find a way to twist and turn everything into an argument about Olshey. That's fine, I hate Olshey as much as anymore. I just side eye when you go out of your way to make reaches like this.

 

[julius]

Seems to me that the headline of that "story" doesn't match with what the RealGM piece actually says. I know, shocking, right, given what passes for journalism these days? It says "staffers" were surprised that Dame didn't support Vanterpool, not "The Blazers", which you would assume would mean Olshey and Jody Allen. From what Dame has said on social media, Olshey gave him a list of potential candidates, which included Kidd and Billups, and asked him which ones he would support. He said out of the list that he would like Kidd and Billups. There's nothing to indicate that Vanterpool was even on the list that Dame was given. Is it surprising that there are some lower echelon voices, maybe among Stotts' assistants who are on their way out, who are surprised that Vanterpool didn't get consideration? Nope. Are "the Blazers" surprised, I doubt it.

exactly. It didn't really say that he wanted them/demanded them, but of the list he was like "yeah, those are good"

But like I said earlier (somewhere? maybe this thread, who knows)... controversy sells.

 

[julius]

i guess i would just think that after the last four years of our presidency (and of course years before that) we would be more aware of how the media works than taking things too seriously, not doubting the accuracy of their reporting. not all media is bad or wrong, but damn, its a fairly high percentage. these people are wrong as much as they are right.

and they never admit they're wrong OR held accountable.

 

[wizenheimer]

He knew he was getting the Mavs job before Dame's endorsement. Simmons and Rusillo mentioned that the Blazers were willing to interview Kidd on their podcast, and Rusillo usually doesn't mention shit like this unless he's sure of his source.

that's not the point

the tweet makes it seem Kidd's name mention by Dame caught the Blazer FO by surprise. But Kidd was obviously talking to Portland about the job (otherwise, he wouldn't have had to withdraw his name) so why would the FO be surprised that Dame mentioned a candidate they were talking to?

 

[illmatic99]

come on man, that was a throwaway sentence in a ~1500 word article. just because realgm decided to make it a headline doesn't mean it's that important.

 

[illmatic99]

All I'm saying is you can find a way to twist and turn everything into an argument about Olshey. That's fine, I hate Olshey as much as anymore. I just side eye when you go out of your way to make reaches like this.

i wonder what would happen if he ran into Olshey in public. the level of hate is kinda insane tbh. you'd think Neil stole his wife and ate his children

 

[B-Roy]

that's not the point

the tweet makes it seem Kidd's name mention by Dame caught the Blazer FO by surprise. But Kidd was obviously talking to Portland about the job (otherwise, he wouldn't have had to withdraw his name) so why would the FO be surprised that Dame mentioned a candidate they were talking to?

he said they were willing to interview Kidd, not that they actually were talking already. It’s entirely possible Dame asked for Kidd, the Blazers were surprised but willing to entertain Dame, and then Kidd withdrew.

 

[blazerkor]

According to Dame, he was shown a list and those were the two names he liked the most. He didn't know their past scandals and I'm doubting that list had DV on it.

 

[crandc]

Unsurprisingly the Blazers public trashing of Hammon has made national news. I am quite willing to accept that the team thinks Billups is best fit even though he wasn't my first choice. I am willing to wish him luck and hope all goes well. But the proper professional action is praise the candidate they chose. Thank the others for their time and wish them luck. Not openly sabotage someone's future. That is unprofessional, classless, and the fact that it was only done to popular female candidate makes it worse. That is not how you cool things down or win people over. The organization created yet another distraction and made themselves look bad. Some of us care about public perceptions of the Blazers. Unfortunately it seems Blazers PR department doesn't.

 

[B-Roy]

People really think the Blazers FO leaked this to bleacher report of all places to save face?

I just can’t…..

 

[illmatic99]

According to Dame, he was shown a list and those were the two names he liked the most. He didn't know their past scandals and I'm doubting that list had DV on it.

rather, i think Chris Haynes mentioned Kidd and Billups specifically and asked what Dame thought about them. Haynes has no insight or tact, he just throws shit on a wall. With him currently in LA, obviously Kidd/Chauncey were fresh on his mind.

And Dame responded, "sure they sound cool."

And Haynes proceeded to blow that up into articles.

How this hack has such a huge following I will never understand. He continues to be a horrible writer and zero intelligence about the game or its history.

 

[Pinwheel1]

where did that tweet come from?

I mean, how many times a day does somebody here post the "Olshey runs a tight ship and nothing gets leaked he doesn't want leaked" narrative. It's ubiquitous.

so then, if that's true, then it's obviously Olshey that wanted that leak out there...right?

We have been roasting Neil for years because he does not want to trade any of his guys. (and that he runs a tight ship) Now all of sudden he is looking for a way to trade Dame? And he is trying to make him look bad as a way to justify it? And Bleacher report is the source? I personally don't believe anything on the internet that does not have an actual person's name as the source. (unless of course, it is MM's Pizza guy)

But none of this adds up or is credible. Trust me I could care less if Neil stays or goes, and I hate having to defend him, but to me, this is just the internet hacks looking for traffic, and the best way to do that is to throw as much shit at the wall and see what sticks. Some of whom btw have said for years they think Dame should be in a bigger market.

 

[wizenheimer]

he said they were willing to interview Kidd, not that they actually were talking already. It’s entirely possible Dame asked for Kidd, the Blazers were surprised but willing to entertain Dame, and then Kidd withdrew.

I'm unclear what you're arguing

here is the timeline as I understand it: the Blazer front office gave Dame a list of potential head coaching candidates. Jason Kidd's name was on that list. The FO was "surprised" that Dame named Kidd before Vanterpool....OK

but why leak it now?

 

[wizenheimer]

We have been roasting Neil for years because he does not want to trade any of his guys. (and that he runs a tight ship) Now all of sudden he is looking for a way to trade Dame? And he is trying to make him look bad as a way to justify it? And Bleacher report is the source? I personally don't believe anything on the internet that does not have an actual person's name as the source. (unless of course, it is MM's Pizza guy)

But none of this adds up or is credible. Trust me I could care less if Neil stays or goes, and I hate having to defend him, but to me, this is just the internet hacks looking for traffic, and the best way to do that is to throw as much shit at the wall and see what sticks. Some of whom btw have said for years they think Dame should be in a bigger market.

ok...I can't really argue with any of that....right now....but the day is young

 

[B-Roy]

I'm unclear what you're arguing

here is the timeline as I understand it: the Blazer front office gave Dame a list of potential head coaching candidates. Jason Kidd's name was on that list. The FO was "surprised" that Dame named Kidd before Vanterpool....OK

but why leak it now?

Jeez, is it entirely possible to you that many of these sources are second hand, and details are lost between the game of telephone being played. These aren’t first hand accounts of what happened, not to mention the sources from each conflicting report is probably different. Isn’t that way more likely than some conspiracy that Olshey is planting the seeds to oust Dame???

Also somewhat related on this topic, but Dames posture that was completely hands off in the coaching search is horsewash to me. There is clear damage control in the Haynes report, not that I give a shit, he doesn’t have to answer to the fans unrealistic expectations of him.

 

[Natebishop3]

It's almost like people have become accustomed to just believing anything they read online as long as it fits their narrative.

Pissed off at the Blazers? Well then, why WOULDN'T you believe that they threw Hammon under the bus to bleacher report of all places. People just believe everything they read, regardless of the source. This wasn't the Oregonian. This wasn't a local radio show. This wasn't Woj. This was fucking Bleacher Report. BLEACHER REPORT.

Side theory - what if Bleacher Report schmuck was trolling blazer forums and saw Calvin's rumors?

 

[Natebishop3]

Unsurprisingly the Blazers public trashing of Hammon has made national news. I am quite willing to accept that the team thinks Billups is best fit even though he wasn't my first choice. I am willing to wish him luck and hope all goes well. But the proper professional action is praise the candidate they chose. Thank the others for their time and wish them luck. Not openly sabotage someone's future. That is unprofessional, classless, and the fact that it was only done to popular female candidate makes it worse. That is not how you cool things down or win people over. The organization created yet another distraction and made themselves look bad. Some of us care about public perceptions of the Blazers. Unfortunately it seems Blazers PR department doesn't.

I must have missed that press conference. Do you happen to have a clip where the Blazers publicly trashed her?

 

[illmatic99]

Unsurprisingly the Blazers public trashing of Hammon has made national news. I am quite willing to accept that the team thinks Billups is best fit even though he wasn't my first choice. I am willing to wish him luck and hope all goes well. But the proper professional action is praise the candidate they chose. Thank the others for their time and wish them luck. Not openly sabotage someone's future. That is unprofessional, classless, and the fact that it was only done to popular female candidate makes it worse. That is not how you cool things down or win people over. The organization created yet another distraction and made themselves look bad. Some of us care about public perceptions of the Blazers. Unfortunately it seems Blazers PR department doesn't.

while it was idiotic and tactless to get out, i don't doubt its veracity. We have an internal source of course who revealed verbatim that exact message two weeks ago. but I can unequivocally say it didn't come from Neil.

If it's a leak to the media, he's contacting Woj and that's it. Jake Fischer is not getting a direct line to him-- the PR dept needs an overhaul.

 

[BigGameDamian]

LoL...I could just see it now Damian Lillard for Russell Westbrook.

 

[Natebishop3]

while it was idiotic and tactless to get out, i don't doubt its veracity. We have an internal source of course who revealed verbatim that exact message two weeks ago.

But we don't even know if this really came from the Blazers.

Who the fuck is this dude at Bleacher Report? Why would he have any inside info at all? What if that dude was just trolling some message boards and found that rumor like the rest of us? What if he was a huge fan of @BonesJones and heard him talking about the rumor?

It's just weird that the Blazers ran a tight ship for nine years without significant leaks and now suddenly they're a massively leaky vessel?

 

[illmatic99]

But we don't even know if this really came from the Blazers.

Who the fuck is this dude at Bleacher Report? Why would he have any inside info at all? What if that dude was just trolling some message boards and found that rumor like the rest of us? What if he was a huge fan of @BonesJones and heard him talking about the rumor?

It's just weird that the Blazers ran a tight ship for nine years without significant leaks and now suddenly they're a massively leaky vessel?

The article also had a line saying this was the narrative about her around the league. it didn't come from JUST Portland.

 

[Fez Hammersticks]

LoL...I could just see it now Damian Lillard for Russell Westbrook.

Shut your whore mouth

 

[julius]

It's almost like people have become accustomed to just believing anything they read online as long as it fits their narrative.

Pissed off at the Blazers? Well then, why WOULDN'T you believe that they threw Hammon under the bus to bleacher report of all places. People just believe everything they read, regardless of the source. This wasn't the Oregonian. This wasn't a local radio show. This wasn't Woj. This was fucking Bleacher Report. BLEACHER REPORT.

Side theory - what if Bleacher Report schmuck was trolling blazer forums and saw Calvin's rumors?

There is so much truth to this. Confirmation bias at work.

 

[B-Roy]

while it was idiotic and tactless to get out, i don't doubt its veracity. We have an internal source of course who revealed verbatim that exact message two weeks ago. but I can unequivocally say it didn't come from Neil.

If it's a leak to the media, he's contacting Woj and that's it. Jake Fischer is not getting a direct line to him-- the PR dept needs an overhaul.

Why does the leak have to be from our front office? Why couldn’t it be any number of front offices? If you believe that the report was verified against other “sources around the league”, then the Blazers must not be the only team that has a negative impression of Hammon.

If we are putting on our tinfoil hats, Pritchard interviewed Hammon last year and didn’t even give her a second interview. Maybe he leaked this to make our FO look bad because he still holds a grudge against the Blazers. And no I don’t actually believe that.

 

[julius]

I wanted Hammons to be the coach, because I felt she would've been a good candidate. But the more you read into it, the more it seems weird that she's gone so long without getting many interviews. Yes, you could say some of that is sexism, but that sexism can also work in her favor (i.e., Spurs afraid of being the team that fires her).

I don't think any of us are denying that it's easy to blame the team for stuff they didn't do, but honestly, when was the last time the Blazers (or any NBA team) made what would be such a glaring PR blunder?

 

[Natebishop3]

The article also had a line saying this was the narrative about her around the league. it didn't come from JUST Portland.

Sure, but again, you have to assume that this bozo has actual sources. Who is he? How do we know he didn't just read the rumors on here and run with it?