This ladies and gentlemen is the results of an iso offense in the playoffs

Welcome to our community

Be a part of something great, join today!

OneSport3

The Knowledge Hoarder
Joined
Nov 4, 2009
Messages
3,287
Likes
5,696
Points
113
Atlanta, Cleveland and Portland all have iso offenses focused around Joe Johnson, Lebron James and Brandon Roy. If Lebron James can't win in an iso offense, there is no way Brandon Roy can do it. Nate has to implement a new offense or he has to go.
 
You're preaching to the choir, but unfortunately we're a small choir around here, with only about ten members ...
 
You're preaching to the choir, but unfortunately we're a small choir around here, with only about ten members ...

The key is finding someone else who Brandon "trusts". (enter: Travis Outlaw ;) )
 
The key is finding someone else who Brandon "trusts". (enter: Travis Outlaw ;) )

Uh, no, the key is developing a multi-faceted offense that doesn't rely on one singular player being able to ISO and kick out.

BUT IT IS OKAY NATE IS AN AWESOME COACH WOOHOO.
 
Uh, no, the key is developing a multi-faceted offense that doesn't rely on one singular player being able to ISO and kick out.

BUT IT IS OKAY NATE IS AN AWESOME COACH WOOHOO.

Bite me. ;)
 
Every player should have a mini-buddy on the team. We should sign Conley so Oden will have someone to tell him who won, while he saves up for cable TV.
 
The key is finding someone else who Brandon "trusts". (enter: Travis Outlaw ;) )

absolutely...the Kobe era with trusty Caron Butler did so well


so well they missed the playoffs
 
Last edited:
You're preaching to the choir, but unfortunately we're a small choir around here, with only about ten members ...

hey you guys won me over.. well more Nate won me over to you guys lol.
 
I think some people haven't a clue as to what an "iso" offense actually is, at least in terms of a primary set.

Cleveland? Sure. Portland and Atlanta? Um, not at all.
 
Always trying to find a way to take a shot at McMillan. Sad.
 
I think some people haven't a clue as to what an "iso" offense actually is, at least in terms of a primary set.

Cleveland? Sure. Portland and Atlanta? Um, not at all.

There is no doubt there is truth to this. I have only come across one person who is critical of our offense that can accurately identify what we actually run. The real problem is that most people can only identify 2-3 plays easily, and they're not watching the game looking for the types of sets they run, therefore they think we only run 2-3 plays.
 
I mean seriously, Mike Brown I guess has a bad game against the Celtics and you people somehow manage to use it against Nate. Unbelievable.
 
I mean seriously, Mike Brown I guess has a bad game against the Celtics and you people somehow manage to use it against Nate. Unbelievable.

It seems silly, but when you don't have much to work with, you've got to grasp at something...
 
It seems silly, but when you don't have much to work with, you've got to grasp at something...

Oh please.

I will cheerfully admit that Nate is not the only coach who uses the ISO concept. Sometimes, I think most of the coaches in the league have an unhealthy fetish for it. That doesn't mean I, or anyone else here, has to *like* it.

I know you do a lot of scouting type work, and I respect that. In all sincerity, you need to put aside the current stuff, and go watch films of somebody like the Knicks of the early 70s. There are other ways to play the game than what we see from so many current coaches.
 
I think some people haven't a clue as to what an "iso" offense actually is, at least in terms of a primary set.

Cleveland? Sure. Portland and Atlanta? Um, not at all.



Well as a basketball coach for 20+ years, I DO know what an ISO offense is. Portland, Atlanta, Cleveland, Toronto and even Dallas about 1/3 of the time runs an ISO offense.

A friend of mine is a scout for the Mavs, and I think he probably knows what one is as well, and he says PORTLAND runs it more than any team in the league. So while it's great that you are a huge fan of the Blazers, and think they can do no wrong, that isn't entirely correct.


I am now ready for your over the top combative response.
 
Oh please.

I will cheerfully admit that Nate is not the only coach who uses the ISO concept. Sometimes, I think most of the coaches in the league have an unhealthy fetish for it. That doesn't mean I, or anyone else here, has to *like* it.

I know you do a lot of scouting type work, and I respect that. In all sincerity, you need to put aside the current stuff, and go watch films of somebody like the Knicks of the early 70s. There are other ways to play the game than what we see from so many current coaches.

That's a fair criticism, I have little knowledge of the schematic changes since the early to mid 90's.

I'm curious what differences you've seen between the decades, and more importantly, I'd love to know why you think those styles of offense are no loner ran.

Good post! Repped!
 
You're preaching to the choir, but unfortunately we're a small choir around here, with only about ten members ...

You may be a small group, but do a wonderful job of hijacking most threads to spread your word. It's like Guerilla Marketing at it's finest!
 
Ok there are many facets to this topic that I would like to point out:

1. One of the reasons that those teams are also winning, is there defense. You try to make it seem like it is all offense, but there is a lot of play on the other side of the ball that is going to deciding the game. By not giving PHX and Boston and Orlando credit for their defense, is kind of a slap in the face IMO. They play good defense, and deserve credit for it.

2. I agree that a purely ISO offense is not a good thing. But I do believe there is a time and place for it in games. If you ever have a matchup where they aren't doubling one of your go to guys, and you can get that play over and over again, there is no reason not to ride it. The idiocy is when it isn't working and they don't go away from it.

3. Many other teams have multiple offenses in their sets. Motion offense. Sets to attack zones. They just don't run ISO's all the time. Denver has several different offenses, and they swap back and forth all the time in the game depending on what they are facing and who is on the floor for their team.

4. PHX isn't a 7 second or less offense anymore. In fact I would go so far as to say they are built more like Orlando now, than the Steve Nash team from a few years back whe D'Antoni was coaching. Both teams have one good interior player and spread the floor with a ton of shooters, and with the spacing, let the point guard do his stuff. The difference is that Orlando runs more isolation plays for Carter in their setup. That is because with Carter, you can do that. With Richardson, not so much, he needs set up. Both of these offenses remind me of the offense Houston ran with Hakeem Olajuwan. Not quite the same, but very close. (The difference obviously being, Hakeem...).

5. Boston runs a motion offense but still controls the pace of the game. The reason they are winning that series on the offensive side is they are letting their PG control the game. He views the mismatches and the defenses being ran, and sets up whatever is needed to get a score. He pretty much totallly wings it. When you have Paul Pierce, Ray Allen and KG on your team they have enough experience they know what to do when the time comes. They aren't pushing it up the floor. They are controlling it.
 
Nate McMillan


....may be a slow learner. But I am pretty damn sure he learned a lesson or two about his offense this year. We were supposed to reach round two, that didn't happen, but we saw glimpses of greatness when we actually moved that ball. You know how gut wrenching that would be to a coach? To see flashes of brilliance, but not be able to keep it going...?

Nate won't forget what he saw, and I have no doubt that Sarge, being the hard worker that he is will put in the work needed this summer to make his offense consistent.
 
I'm closer to HailBlazer than MM in my NateHate, but I'm wondering if that's the case. Yes, we implemented some stuff during the year that had "flashes". But the same happened last year in flashes--For two glorious games Steve Blake actually ran a pick and ROLL with Greg Oden and we had about 4 dunks in a 3 minute span. For two games we had LMA at the free throw line passing to cutters and even running a high-low with Oden (that we saw a couple of iterations of this year with Camby--who I think is a more experienced passer with better vision than LMA). And after we were upset by HOU, it would've been reasonable to assume that Nate would've seen "flashes of brilliance" and "glimpses of greatness" when we moved the ball and looked to incorporate it more this year. Instead, he said "Joel and Blake are my starters" and "Oden should stick to defense" and "our offense worked fine last year, and it'll work this year...let's focus on Defense". Not that there's anything wrong with doing that if he believes it, but Sarge the Hard Worker didn't see the need to improve last summer, and it makes me wonder if he does now.
 

Users who are viewing this thread

Back
Top