This Picture Is the Reason Why......

[THE HCP]

......you can't compare players from different eras. Plain and simple! This looks like the old guys in my neighborhood playing a pickup game at the local church. Shit, could you imagine what todays players would do to these guys? Michael Beasley or Evan Turner would score 80 on them every night! You trying to tell me that these motherfuckers would be able to stop even Nolan Smith or Eric Maynor? Props to old school ballers, but the game has changed!

 

[Strenuus]

The game was A LOT rougher back then.

The reason the game is so finesse style now is because they call fouls on anything. "hand checking" is garbage... the game now is played for ratings, not for the game. It's catered to the stars, plain and simple.

 

[THE HCP]

The game was A LOT rougher back then.

The reason the game is so finesse style now is because they call fouls on anything. "hand checking" is garbage... the game now is played for ratings, not for the game. It's catered to the stars, plain and simple.

You think Cousy could stay with Dame or Kyrie at the top of the key.......you think #16 could play today against LA and Blake Griffin. They would get killed. Snuff all that conspiracy theory bullshit. I would love to see that guy on the far right (who looks like my middle school shop teacher by the way) try to stop Mello or Nic Batum even.

 

[OneLifeToLive]

Fundamentally they get worse with time and with each era. However, the body continues to change with all the performance enhancing drugs. Athletically, they are head and shoulders above where they were back then.

 

[THE HCP]

THIS is exactly what it would look like!

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[THE HCP]

Fundamentally they get worse with time and with each era. However, the body continues to change with all the performance enhancing drugs. Athletically, they are head and shoulders above where they were back then.

I'm not so sure about the drugs, but strength training is completely different. Explain how players today have less fundamentals than back in the day.

 

[OneLifeToLive]

I'm not so sure about the drugs, but strength training is completely different. Explain how players today have less fundamentals than back in the day.

They don't pass, they don't shoot, they don't rebound as well as they did in 60's, 70's, 80's and even 90's.

 

[Sinobas]

You think a picture proves that dumb ass? The only way to know would be if you had a time machine.

 

[THE HCP]

They don't pass, they don't shoot, they don't rebound as well as they did in 60's, 70's, 80's and even 90's.

As a fan of the game, this blanket statement hurts my soul! Can you show me some proof of this. Just because the game is more athletic and flashy does not mean it's any less fundamental.

 

[THE HCP]

You think a picture proves that dumb ass? The only way to know would be if you had a time machine.

What an amazing post.

 

[THE HCP]

You think a picture proves that dumb ass? The only way to know would be if you had a time machine.

Anybody ever told you how much you bring to this forum?

 

[OneLifeToLive]

As a fan of the game, this blanket statement hurts my soul! Can you show me some proof of this. Just because the game is more athletic and flashy does not mean it's any less fundamental.

Let's compare Lebron James to Magic Johnson. The best in the game in this era compared to one of the best if not the best in the 80's. Magic was the fundamentally superior player. Now put together the 12 best players in the game today and put them against the Dream Team in 92. There is comparison from a fundamental standpoint. Physcially, yes. Fundamentally, no way.

 

[BlazerWookee]

......you can't compare players from different eras. Plain and simple! This looks like the old guys in my neighborhood playing a pickup game at the local church. Shit, could you imagine what todays players would do to these guys? Michael Beasley or Evan Turner would score 80 on them every night! You trying to tell me that these motherfuckers would be able to stop even Nolan Smith or Eric Maynor? Props to old school ballers, but the game has changed!

Is it just me, or is #16 setting a pick for the Celtics?

 

[THE HCP]

Nice catch^

 

[THE HCP]

Let's compare Lebron James to Magic Johnson. The best in the game in this era compared to one of the best if not the best in the 80's. Magic was the fundamentally superior player. Now put together the 12 best players in the game today and put them against the Dream Team in 92. There is comparison from a fundamental standpoint. Physcially, yes. Fundamentally, no way.

I grew up loving Magic, but why do you say he is more fundamentally sound? What does he do better than 'Bron besides average more dimes? What do you consider fundamentals that would lead you to believe this?

 

[BlazerWookee]

Let's compare Lebron James to Magic Johnson. The best in the game in this era compared to one of the best if not the best in the 80's. Magic was the fundamentally superior player. Now put together the 12 best players in the game today and put them against the Dream Team in 92. There is comparison from a fundamental standpoint. Physcially, yes. Fundamentally, no way.

Well, Magic never looked like he's on PEDs, and LeBron never pretended to have AIDS...

 

[BLAZER PROPHET]

HCP, in general you are right. But certain players from the 60's and early 70's can ball with the best today. And players from that era would be substantially better fundamentally. And, yes, they were way tougher. Granted, the NBA today is superior but I think you are still underestimating some of the great players of old.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

A healthy Bill Walton or Moses Malone would dominate today's game.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

In what sport aren't the players bigger, faster and stronger in these days? Hell, even golfers are weight lifting now.

 

[Further]

Anybody ever told you how much you bring to this forum?

A few people did in an OT thread where he was pro-statutory rape. Really.

 

[OneLifeToLive]

I grew up loving Magic, but why do you say he is more fundamentally sound? What does he do better than 'Bron besides average more dimes? What do you consider fundamentals that would lead you to believe this?

You don't have to agree. But it's no accident that there were more point guards who averaged ten assists a game. Not to mention more points averaging 20 and 10. More centers were averaging 3 + blocks a game, And more forwards and centers were averaging ten + rebounds a game. And more teams were averaging 100+ points per game back then. Fundamentals were a big key to that.

If you take the best player at each position today and compare it to the best player at each position back then. Fundamentally, each player was superior.

 

[maxiep]

Is it just me, or is #16 setting a pick for the Celtics?

I'm glad I decided to read the thread before posting, because I was going to post exactly the same thing. I haven't seen such a helpful teammate since Delonte West "helped" LeBron James.

 

[BigGameDamian]

Listen up, I have a little problem with people comparing LeBron to Magic. Here's why, In Magic Johnson's rookie season, he filled in for an injured Kareem Abdul-Jabaar at center and put up 42 points, 15 rebounds, and seven assists. Until I see LBJ guard a big time center in a BIG game and put a numbers like that, Leads his team to a win, He's no Magic Johnson!!

 

[Rhal]

You don't have to agree. But it's no accident that there were more point guards who averaged ten assists a game. Not to mention more points averaging 20 and 10. More centers were averaging 3 + blocks a game, And more forwards and centers were averaging ten + rebounds a game. And more teams were averaging 100+ points per game back then. Fundamentals were a big key to that.

If you take the best player at each position today and compare it to the best player at each position back then. Fundamentally, each player was superior.

Your overlooking a very big thing. Defensive schemes have evolved and become much more sophisticated in the last 10-15 years. No longer is it all about man on man defense, its more about team defense and that has played a huge part in slowing the game down so those gaudy stats are harder to achieve.

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[THE HCP]

Man, there are going to be different opinions about this obviously but please go back and watch games from the 80s.......there is a reason teams were scoring over 110 points all the time and it wasn't because the players were more fundamentally sound.......nobody played D.

 

[KingSpeed]

It looks like you're saying it's because they're all white. Especially since you only mentioned black people beating them.

 

[jlprk]

Compared to the tough old days, stars today are talentless clowns.

 

[jlprk]

HCP couldn't have cut the mustard back then cutting kinescope tapes. You had to be all man to snip Dave Garroway or Arthur Godfrey. Or Howdy Doody.

 

[BlazerCaravan]

HCP couldn't have cut the mustard back then cutting kinescope tapes. You had to be all man to snip Dave Garroway or Arthur Godfrey. Or Howdy Doody.

Especially since kinescope was recorded to disc.

EDIT: my bad, film strips.

 

[STOMP]

Let's compare Lebron James to Magic Johnson. The best in the game in this era compared to one of the best if not the best in the 80's. Magic was the fundamentally superior player.

so defense isn't a fundamental aspect of the game in your world then? Because even in an era where considerably less D was played, Magic was considered a horrible defender while Lebron is absolutely elite on that end of the court.

it's no accident that there were more point guards who averaged ten assists a game. Not to mention more points averaging 20 and 10. More centers were averaging 3 + blocks a game, And more forwards and centers were averaging ten + rebounds a game. And more teams were averaging 100+ points per game back then. Fundamentals were a big key to that.

sorry but you're way off base on why statistics aren't as gaudy as they once were. Individual fundamentals have nothing to do with the pace of the game being slowed down considerably by modern day coaches trying to maximize possessions and having the PG always contested as they bring the ball up. Watch games from past eras and notice how guys always seem to have wide open looks on their jumpers, where as now they're contested. Guys can still drain open shots like it's nothing, they just aren't allowed those sort of looks anymore. I'd place superior defensive schemes and techniques under team & individual fundamentals as I'm sure every coach would.

*edit* looks like I didn't read enough of this thread as others are hammering this obvious point too

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