This team is atrocious and has little to no hope of making the playoffs

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You can play them more but the team has major issues. They didn't blow a 3-0 lead in the third to Edmonton and quickly squander a 2-0 lead last night because of that. This club unlike last year cannot hold onto a lead.
 
And they'd probably have to trade them at a discount too because they have underachieved for their draft position so we won't be getting full value for a player picked that high up. Since this is already their 3rd and 4th full seasons, we're not far from people starting to throw out the "bust" word, which would only decrease trade value.

It's all very unfortunate because the window to win is not very long given our age and contract situation with many of our key players and we have not maximized our potential to win during that window.


The Rangers went the route of once again half rebuilding with many veterans. It's always the same story. Now they're in the same mess as years prior.
 
Yep. What makes it harder is the dumbasses keep giving out NMC's like candy to players who want to play here and aren't young, franchise, cornerstone pieces. Moronic.
 
It is an interesting balance. Do you give Kakko/Lafreniere 2 or 3 more mpg - and then do you play guys like Kreider and Z and Panarin less?

Let's be real - the letter went out and we dealt vets, but in NYC this was never going to be a multi years rebuild, plus we were always going to sign a top star or two to play on the brightest stage, and lastly - and this is a big one - we jumped up to get Kakko and Lafreniere. We were never bad enough to finish # 1 or # 2 worst team, so you couldn't really plan to hold spots for you picks like these two. The Lafreniere pick was a gift for us based on Covid.

I understand the tough spot that puts everyone in. Vets, try and win, play less of vets, play a few more minutes of Kakko and Lafreniere. Not easy decisions to make, despite us trying to make it seem like they are on a message board.

At days end, they could have been given more opportunity, but in the 14-16 mpg they have gotten they have not really played to the level of # 1 and # 2 picks where you have to play them over proven vets on a team that is trying to win. Tough spot for all.
 
I have never been a Miller fan. He reminds me way too much of road cone Staal. Great size but has no idea how to use it so he just tries to poke check and is out of position too much. Trouba is a shitty choice of a captain as he alone can take the blame for the collapse beginning in the playoffs last year by taking stupid penalties. He’s slow and if he isn’t checking someone he is out of position because he was trying to check someone. The rest of our defenseman are NOT great at all. Igor bailed out this team over and over again last year and instead of focusing on making sure our blue line could protect Igor and not allow shots from dangerous areas we once again went out and signed trash ass vets who shouldn’t even be in the NHL, let alone on a team that had Cup aspirations.

It’s the typical James Dolan touch. Whenever a franchise starts to do good, his fucking retarded ass steps in and fucks it all up. We really need a taxi driver to take him out. Give it 5-6 years and we will be once again issuing a letter about a rebuild. We were ahead of schedule last year. Just build on that success with some minor improvements. Instead we let go Vatrano who was CRUCIAL to this team as he was an actual shooter, not another playmaker which this team has too many of. We can sit here and yell about how Kakko and Laf aren’t taking the next step and blame whomever, but when you’re a young impressionable player and you see the likes of Panarin getting a huge payday, yet doing no dirty work, not driving the net, not shooting, circling back constantly with the puck and looking disinterested in shooting the puck but suffering no loss of ice time then of course our young guys are going to go that route as opposed to being more physical and getting to the net and shooting the puck. This team MUST trade Panarin. I don’t care if it’s for a bag of used pucks, he has to go. He provides absolutely nothing positive for this team.
 
Other 1/2 overall picks not named McDavid would be making more of a difference than these two, even without pp time. If you need pp time to put up 80% of your points you probably aren't more than a 3rd liner talent-wise to begin with. Granted, Chytil isn't a great C or anything but still..
 
I wanted them to keep Vatrano and Motte. Motte against a speed team like NJ would be a big plus. Strange after a long run but I started to dislike this team in the pre-season. Didn't feel right. Coach screwing over the two kids again. Sucking off the vets. Fourth line losing Motte. Up front losing Vatrano. I said the same thing. One of the true shooters on the team. Vatrano is not fitting in on the Ducks as I thought he wouldn't. They could easily send Kravtsov, Vesey and Jones the other way to even some of the money out and bring him back. Drury needs to admit his mistake and bring him back.
 
Other 1/2 overall picks not named McDavid would be making more of a difference than these two, even without pp time. If you need pp time to put up 80% of your points you probably aren't more than a 3rd liner talent-wise to begin with. Granted, Chytil isn't a great C or anything but still..


You are 100% completely full of shit. Everything you just said is bullshit. The facts easily prove you wrong. Go look at the top scorers. See what the PP does. 31 already educated you and like I said before. You and other fans are learning impaired. You don't listen to facts. Go check the even strength points of the 2 kids compared to Zibanejad, Panarin and Kreider. Lafreniere had 19 even strength goals last season. Zibanejad had 14. Panarin had 17. Strome had 16. You just don't want to listen to facts. You don't see what every other team is doing to develop young forwards. You just make excuses for this dumb fuck organization.
 
Alot of other teams weren't playoff ready like the Rangers when they won those lotteries. Were they instantly going to be put ahead of Panarin and Zib coming off big seasons just because of where they were picked? No team would do that, and if anything they had less pressure coming in because of it which most high picks don't. The Rangers have had one of the best pp the last few years so there was no reason to have 13 or 24 there. Maybe now is the time to make a change with it and try something different given the poor start who knows. They've gotten ample time on.pp2 and haven't really done jack with it.
 
This year was supposed to be last year and last year was supposed to be this year.
 
You're just making wild ass statements with no factual evidence. Oh, there are lots of other young players that would come here and do more with no PP time. Horseshit. You know why? You don't see other teams take their elite young, top offensive forwards and use them as role players and not give them a ton of pp time. That's why. That's why you don't have any facts to back it up.
 
Last night was another example. Lafreniere got a little over 12 minutes of ice time. Kakko, Chytil and Lafreniere got 43 seconds to 1:10 of PP time. Hughes, Bratt and Hischier got about 4 1/2 minutes of PP time. They played 17 to 20 minutes. You can already see this organizational fuckup coming. They will probably trade Lafreniere and Kakko, they will go to an organization that actually has a clue and put up 80+ points in a year or two and buttfuck this team for over a decade.

I think you're being a bit harsh on NYR as far as the ice times for Kakko and Lafreniere compared to Hughes/Hischier, especially in their first few NHL seasons and their development. Rangers are/were in a window to win, where as the Devils had very little expectations to even compete for the playoffs. It's a real luxury to not have to care about the season from a developmental process. I mean NJ pretty much threw all the kids out there because they could and really didnt have any vets who warranted guaranteed PP ice time. Rangers have Panarin, Krieder, Zab, Trochek (5ppg) ahead of them, proven scorers, whose minutes are you going to cut? And Hischier, Hughes, Bratt, they benefitted greatly not having to look over their shoulders (like Kakko getting benched in Game 6) while being afforded the ability to learn by trial and error. Throw in shitty goaltending and injuries and the season quickly becomes a very long, very intense training camp for young players to get alot of chances and real time experience with alot of organizational patience. It's what player development and rebuilding should look like. NJ gets alot more leeway than NYR in that department. Getting a #1 draft pick while you are competing for the playoffs is a weird coincidence. Throw in a few COVID seasons and disruptions and expectations should be a bit lower.

Devils could afford to throw H and H right into the NHL with top 6 minutes early on. Throwing the two of them right into the NHL was a gamble, Kakko, for sure. LaFreniere seems to have more of an NHL ready game. LaFreniere had a nice little season, 19 goals (all at ES no less) last year avging 14mpg, he's averaging almost 16mpg now, Kakko too. He probably didnt play as much because the Devils are a fast team. Kakko? Reminds me of Adam Larsson a little. The Nordic prospect "Plays in the Men's league" qualifier sounds nice, but I dont think it means a whole lot. Larsson was good, but not great and not alot of impact, meh. I'd send Kakko down to Hartford for a month, play the hell out of him and see what he does.
 
Both players need to work with a skating coach as well.
 
I think you're being a bit harsh on NYR as far as the ice times for Kakko and Lafreniere compared to Hughes/Hischier, especially in their first few NHL seasons and their development. Rangers are/were in a window to win, where as the Devils had very little expectations to even compete for the playoffs.

I agree we got those picks out of luck and not because of merit (from sucking) so it is a different scenario for someone like NJ. However, if you have the #1 and #2 picks, and you choose to use the picks instead of trading them, then you need to commit to them to maximize the likelihood of them reaching the potential that made you draft them in the first place. If, on the other hand, because of the position the team is in at the time (win mode) you cannot commit to those type of players/picks, then maybe you trade either/both of the picks which would get you a shit load of talent to help you boost your win-now mode and/or lower picks that you can then use to draft someone that you want to bring up slowly.

Either way, the organization has fucked up the massive opportunity that came with those lottery wins every way you look at it:

1. By using the picks and not committing to them
2. not trading the picks and getting talent to boost your chances to win
3. Maybe we picked the wrong players
 
They already had a high payroll so they needed to draft them to also keep the cap cost down. Adding the types of talent you would've gotten for #1/2 picks would've put them way over the cap.
 
I agree we got those picks out of luck and not because of merit (from sucking) so it is a different scenario for someone like NJ. However, if you have the #1 and #2 picks, and you choose to use the picks instead of trading them, then you need to commit to them to maximize the likelihood of them reaching the potential that made you draft them in the first place. If, on the other hand, because of the position the team is in at the time (win mode) you cannot commit to those type of players/picks, then maybe you trade either/both of the picks which would get you a shit load of talent to help you boost your win-now mode and/or lower picks that you can then use to draft someone that you want to bring up slowly.

Either way, the organization has fucked up the massive opportunity that came with those lottery wins every way you look at it:

1. By using the picks and not committing to them
2. not trading the picks and getting talent to boost your chances to win
3. Maybe we picked the wrong players

Can you imagine the haul NYR would have received trading those picks? And really, since Leetch, the single digit first rounders have been unkind to NYR.
 
I think you're being a bit harsh on NYR as far as the ice times for Kakko and Lafreniere compared to Hughes/Hischier, especially in their first few NHL seasons and their development. Rangers are/were in a window to win, where as the Devils had very little expectations to even compete for the playoffs. It's a real luxury to not have to care about the season from a developmental process. I mean NJ pretty much threw all the kids out there because they could and really didnt have any vets who warranted guaranteed PP ice time. Rangers have Panarin, Krieder, Zab, Trochek (5ppg) ahead of them, proven scorers, whose minutes are you going to cut? And Hischier, Hughes, Bratt, they benefitted greatly not having to look over their shoulders (like Kakko getting benched in Game 6) while being afforded the ability to learn by trial and error. Throw in shitty goaltending and injuries and the season quickly becomes a very long, very intense training camp for young players to get alot of chances and real time experience with alot of organizational patience. It's what player development and rebuilding should look like. NJ gets alot more leeway than NYR in that department. Getting a #1 draft pick while you are competing for the playoffs is a weird coincidence. Throw in a few COVID seasons and disruptions and expectations should be a bit lower.

Devils could afford to throw H and H right into the NHL with top 6 minutes early on. Throwing the two of them right into the NHL was a gamble, Kakko, for sure. LaFreniere seems to have more of an NHL ready game. LaFreniere had a nice little season, 19 goals (all at ES no less) last year avging 14mpg, he's averaging almost 16mpg now, Kakko too. He probably didnt play as much because the Devils are a fast team. Kakko? Reminds me of Adam Larsson a little. The Nordic prospect "Plays in the Men's league" qualifier sounds nice, but I dont think it means a whole lot. Larsson was good, but not great and not alot of impact, meh. I'd send Kakko down to Hartford for a month, play the hell out of him and see what he does.
You can say that for pretty much every team that got the #1 pick...they got the pick because they had lack of talent and were shit...but hey..we should have not played proven players who btw had the 4th best power play in the league so that thumbsucking #2 and #1 can somehow become better players because they learned how to score with one less player on the ice.
 
It's a good thing you doom and gloomers aren't pilots - first bit of turbulence and you'd be donning parachutes and leaping from a perfectly good plane. A quarter of the way through the season and now not only are playoffs out of the question but all chances of development have ben lost on the kids. There is a lot of hockey left.
 

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