OT Three Georgians Chase Down Unarmed Black Man, Shoot And Kill Him

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RR7 said:
You question why they took weapons with when you already stated that you do the same when following people?

Its couldn't care less, by the way
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Yeah, I know what I said...I take a side arm with me sometimes...said nothing about loading up others in the back of my truck with shotguns.

And actually I could care less, because I do care to a degree.
 
yankeesince59 said:
But forgive me for not joining the mob and making snap judgments before knowing more about the facts...things are not always as they first appear and I also stand by my statement that "not everything is racially motivated".
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Sure, not everything is racially motivated. This definitely seemed to be from the facts available at the start of this thread and still seems to be. If you think they would have grabbed shotguns and chased down a white jogger, I think you're naive about racial issues.
 
And if anyone wants to claim the dad shot this guy in self defense, the son got out and pointed a shotgun at the guy. If someone you don't know is yelling stop we want to talk to you (especially if its white dudes and your black in the south), and is not the cops or someone you know, and pulls over in front of you and gets out and accosts you with a shotgun, you run or you fight for your life. He chose to fight for his life, and was killed doing so.
 
Chris Craig said:
And if anyone wants to claim the dad shot this guy in self defense, the son got out and pointed a shotgun at the guy. If someone you don't know is yelling stop we want to talk to you (especially if its white dudes and your black in the south), and is not the cops or someone you know, and pulls over in front of you and gets out and accosts you with a shotgun, you run or you fight for your life. He chose to fight for his life, and was killed doing so.
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They also pulled up ahead of the jogger on the road and stopped their truck in order to somewhat block him. They chased him down, blocked him off and then think they acted in self defense? That was cold blooded murder.
 
Chris Craig said:
And if anyone wants to claim the dad shot this guy in self defense, the son got out and pointed a shotgun at the guy. If someone you don't is yelling stop we want to talk to you (especially if its white dudes and your black in the south), and is not the cops or someone you know, and pulls over in front of you and gets out and accosts you with a shotgun, you run or you fight for your life. He chose to fight for his life, and was killed doing so.
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hard to tell for sure but I think he tried running at firs.t I think he saw them and veered right to go around the truck, but they caught him on the front side. Seems if he was going to fight, we would have kept going to the left at the drivers side and at the driver.
I think he did what most anyone would do. Tried to get away, not knowing what the hell is going on and before he even knew it, was in a grappling match for his life. Plus, he probably new that if he ran, he would be dead for sure with a shot to the back.
 
Chris Craig said:
And if anyone wants to claim the dad shot this guy in self defense, the son got out and pointed a shotgun at the guy. If someone you don't know is yelling stop we want to talk to you (especially if its white dudes and your black in the south), and is not the cops or someone you know, and pulls over in front of you and gets out and accosts you with a shotgun, you run or you fight for your life. He chose to fight for his life, and was killed doing so.
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Yep, they were there to kill a black man that was in their White neighborhood. The evidence is overwhelming.
 
yankeesince59 said:
Just now saw the video and just now saw your smart assed remark. Yes, the video is very compelling and it points to evidence that these guys showed very poor judgment and charges will very likely be levied. The biggest issue/question is even if they just wanted to "talk" to the kid as the initial article stated, why did they feel the need to take weapons with them, because if they hadn't, things would not have ended so horribly.
We have a justice system in this country for a reason. But forgive me for not joining the mob and making snap judgments before knowing more about the facts...things are not always as they first appear and I also stand by my statement that "not everything is racially motivated".

If this still does not explain my position well enough for you, I really could care less.
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Sounds like the usual southern “white s’plaining“........or at least what us old timers have grown used to hearing over our lifetimes every time an incident like this occurs down there.......amongst other places. So I guess I’ll have to apologize for singling out the south. Force of habit I guess.....
 
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UncleCliffy'sDaddy said:
Sounds like the usual southern “white s’plaining“........or at least what us old timers have grown used to hearing over our lifetimes every time an incident like this occurs in down there.......amongst other places. So I guess I’ll have to apologize for singling out the south. Force of habit I guess.....
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I reckon
 
Orion Bailey said:
hard to tell for sure but I think he tried running at firs.t I think he saw them and veered right to go around the truck, but they caught him on the front side. Seems if he was going to fight, we would have kept going to the left at the drivers side and at the driver.
I think he did what most anyone would do. Tried to get away, not knowing what the hell is going on and before he even knew it, was in a grappling match for his life. Plus, he probably new that if he ran, he would be dead for sure with a shot to the back.
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I think it is common and perhaps a natural instinct to move to the right side of the road when there is traffic and one is on foot...to stay with traffic and to get to the side of the road/sidewalk. If you move to the left of the vehicle, you risk getting hit by it.

I don't doubt they would have shot him had he ran. They may have said as much, causing him to choose to fight for his life...though that is conjecture.
 
UncleCliffy'sDaddy said:
Sounds like the usual southern “white s’plaining“........or at least what us old timers have grown used to hearing over our lifetimes every time an incident like this occurs down there.......amongst other places. So I guess I’ll have to apologize for singling out the south. Force of habit I guess.....
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Well, sounds like you're assuming that I'm white, but at least you acknowledged that racism is by no means exclusive to the south...and for that, I thank you.

I also don't believe as others believe that the incident was premeditated.
 
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Chris Craig said:
I think it is common and perhaps a natural instinct to move to the right side of the road when there is traffic and one is on foot...to stay with traffic and to get to the side of the road/sidewalk. If you move to the left of the vehicle, you risk getting hit by it.

I don't doubt they would have shot him had he ran. They may have said as much, causing him to choose to fight for his life...though that is conjecture.
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Actually, I believe that pedestrians are supposed to be on the left side of the road facing traffic. I was taught that at a very young age.
 
actually... if you watch the video, you can see him jogging on the left side, Then he veers to the right likely after he realized something was wrong.


Some people, will come up with anything to avoid being wrong. LOL.
 
yankeesince59 said:
Well, sounds like you're assuming that I'm white, but at least you acknowledged that racism is by no means exclusive to the south...and for that, I thank you.

I also don't believe as others believe that the incident was premeditated.
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If you want to keep your racial origins to yourself, so be it. But then don’t post pictures of yourself on this site.
 
UncleCliffy'sDaddy said:
If you want to keep your racial origins to yourself, so be it. But then don’t post pictures of yourself on this site.
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HAHAHAHAHA

I was gonna comment on that, he must have forgotten he already posted a pic of himself. But, anything to make shit up to be right... right?


LOL.
 
SlyPokerDog said:
You guys are assuming he wasn't the snake.

(just kidding @yankeesince59)
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Dayum! Snakes are evil!

How do I edit this insulting post? Remember even jokes aren't allowed now. ;)

I believe Yank to be a good man. Just head strong like many. i'm sure he doesn't want evil spread about the world like the serpent. I may disagree with him on most everything, but I don't actually think anyone on here truly wants bad things to happen to anyone. Sometimes we are overwhelmed with emotions is all.
so you should really take that back. joke or not.
:)
 
UncleCliffy'sDaddy said:
If you want to keep your racial origins to yourself, so be it. But then don’t post pictures of yourself on this site.
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UncleCliffy'sDaddy said:
If you want to keep your racial origins to yourself, so be it. But then don’t post pictures of yourself on this site.
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You were the one who replied to me and also referenced "WHITE splainin'"...if you already thought I was white, why still make a comment that only applies to white people?
 
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yankeesince59 said:
Back in the day I was quite popular with the ladies...they called me "Anaconda Man".
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images

Very impressive until the tide comes in.
 
yankeesince59 said:
You were the one who replied to me and also referenced "WHITE splainin'"...if you already thought I was white, why still make a comment that only applies to white people?
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As I made clear enough, your response is what guys my age have learned to expect from white southerners whenever there is a black person killed by a white person. It’s in the south’s DNA whether you like it or don’t. Am I generalizing??? Fuck yeah. Big surprise in the OT Forum, eh? But the south has a long, documented track record of dragging its’ heels (To be extremely kind) when a white person kills a black person.......I don’t blame you for being defensive, especially in a forum of (mostly) liberal, white northerners. But it is what it is......
 
UncleCliffy'sDaddy said:
As I made clear enough, your response is what guys my age have learned to expect from white southerners whenever there is a black person killed by a white person. It’s in the south’s DNA whether you like it or don’t. Am I generalizing??? Fuck yeah. Big surprise in the OT Forum, eh? But the south has a long, documented track record of dragging its’ heels (To be extremely kind) when a white person kills a black person.......I don’t blame you for being defensive, especially in a forum of (mostly) liberal, white northerners. But it is what it is......
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While racism was alive and well in the North, it wasn't an integral part of the North's identity, the way it was for the South. That's why, despite the North having its own ugly history of racism, racism isn't still as interwoven into the fabric of society outside the South.

That isn't to say there isn't still racism in the states that weren't part of the Confederacy. There is. But it's far less pronounced than in the South, and that's essentially why. And it's important to know and understand when you take in these types of incidents. Is every violent event in Southern states about race? No. But you have to consider that context, otherwise you're missing a lot of vital information in processing these events.
 
Minstrel said:
While racism was alive and well in the North, it wasn't an integral part of the North's identity, the way it was for the South. That's why, despite the North having its own ugly history of racism, racism isn't still as interwoven into the fabric of society outside the South.

That isn't to say there isn't still racism in the states that weren't part of the Confederacy. There is. But it's far less pronounced than in the South, and that's essentially why. And it's important to know and understand when you take in these types of incidents. Is every violent event in Southern states about race? No. But you have to consider that context, otherwise you're missing a lot of vital information in processing these events.
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I have spent enough time in the south (minus the Carolinas) and have interacted with more than a few folks on either side of the color divide. It is a completely different environment from our little corner of the world. Seems the “lines” are a great deal more clearly defined than up here. The white folks I talked to (mostly guys) were without fail, extremely defensive if and when the talk turned to anything outside they’re own state. Also without fail, they were the ones who brought up race and politics, as if I was somehow down there to attack them, even though I NEVER brought those topics up. And that is NOT an exaggeration. Maybe that’s a “good” thing???? At least everyone knows where they stand.....? Whatever, it made me very uncomfortable. And left a very strong impression that many southerners still long for the days when whites made all the rules....
 
UncleCliffy'sDaddy said:
I have spent enough time in the south (minus the Carolinas) and have interacted with more than a few folks on either side of the color divide. It is a completely different environment from our little corner of the world. Seems the “lines” are a great deal more clearly defined than up here. The white folks I talked to (mostly guys) were without fail, extremely defensive if and when the talk turned to anything outside they’re own state. Also without fail, they were the ones who brought up race and politics, as if I was somehow down there to attack them, even though I NEVER brought those topics up. And that is NOT an exaggeration. Maybe that’s a “good” thing???? At least everyone knows where they stand.....? Whatever, it made me very uncomfortable. And left a very strong impression that many southerners still long for the days when whites made all the rules....
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Yeah, I've interacted with a lot of Southerners and been there a couple of times. The cultural trauma of the Civil War is pretty evident--culturally, it's a very defensive region. But in a very different way than, say, post-WWII Germany. Germany has also been very defensive and scarred by the Nazi era, but they responded by enacting extreme measures to stomp out any remnant of it. The (white) South has almost been defiant about embracing that period as deeply important and meaningful which empowers large swathes (but certainly not all) of it to consider prejudicial views to be just another viewpoint that should be respected.
 
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