Time to hit the reset button

[Fez Hammersticks]

....unless Neil makes a spectacular trade to land this team a legit difference maker.

CJ/Dame, with the roster as constructed, have hit their ceiling.

I think the first move has to be ousting Neil Olshey, not Stotts.

Ladies, what say you?

 

[Reep]

If the team was just inexperienced, then I could hope for the future. But more experience isn't going to help this bunch. You can't just give a team a heart transplant.

To answer your question, unfortunately because I like him, Stotts goes first. They style he has moved them to (hero ball instead of ball movement) is something I don't understand, but that seems clearly on his shoulders. Also, the complete inability to counterpunch or come up with an alternate plan/lineup should be dooming--and the players seem to have given up on working for him.

Yes, Olshey should go too. This team needs a complete overhaul, not a bandaid. You need to bring in someone who can impartially look at this roster and do what needs to be done for the long term future.

 

[CupWizier]

....unless Neil makes a spectacular trade to land this team a legit difference maker.

CJ/Dame, with the roster as constructed, have hit their ceiling.

I think the first move has to be ousting Neil Olshey, not Stotts.

Ladies, what say you?

Sure, fire Olshey, fire stotts, trade CJ, trade Lillard. It's just so obvious that we need to tank for the next 4 years and hope we can be better than the Sacramento Kings.

Exciting days ahead right?

 

[HailBlazers]

Not ready to blow it up, if Nurk and Collins Develop signficantly I think it will go a long ways. Big if perhaps but I have faith in these guys. Couple that with a true 3 n super D shooting guard and I think we'd be fine. With a new coach and solidified bench.

 

[Reep]

Sure, fire Olshey, fire stotts, trade CJ, trade Lillard. It's just so obvious that we need to tank for the next 4 years and hope we can be better than the Sacramento Kings.

Exciting days ahead right?

Which would be worse, rebuilding and attempt to get a two-way all start through the draft for the next four years, or watching this team get plastered in the first round for the next four years? Both are painful, but the first might have a happy ending.

 

[Reep]

Not ready to blow it up, if Nurk and Collins Develop signficantly I think it will go a long ways. Big if perhaps but I have faith in these guys. Couple that with a true 3 n super D shooting guard and I think we'd be fine. With a new coach and solidified bench.

I would blow it up, but not with regard to the young bigs, they can fit in another window. CJ should go for several reasons, and unfortunately, I would probably move Dame only because I don't think his window will align with a rebuild and it isn't really fair to make him use is prime years on a rebuild.

 

[CupWizier]

Which would be worse, rebuilding and attempt to get a two-way all start through the draft for the next four years, or watching this team get plastered in the first round for the next four years? Both are painful, but the first might have a happy ending.

Maybe you should ask Kings fans or Clipper fans pre Ballmer days when they were lifetime lottery teams. Twolves finally made the playoffs as an 8th seed after 13 years of being a lottery team.

 

[BlazerBeav]

Dame isn't going anywhere. Everything else should be on the table - but there's no way that Paul Allen would entertain any offers for Dame.

 

[Reep]

Maybe you should ask Kings fans or Clipper fans pre Ballmer days when they were lifetime lottery teams. Twolves finally made the playoffs as an 8th seed after 13 years of being a lottery team.

You didn't answer my question.

 

[Gronk Brady]

Sure, fire Olshey, fire stotts, trade CJ, trade Lillard. It's just so obvious that we need to tank for the next 4 years and hope we can be better than the Sacramento Kings.

Exciting days ahead right?

Unfortunately that is the position Neil put us in when he decided to go all in on the Dame/CJ combo

 

[Gronk Brady]

Unfortunately that is the position Neil put us in when he decided to go all in on the Dame/CJ combo

Also, trading CJ doesn’t make us the Kings... Nurk and Collins will develop and have high upside... and whatever u get for CJ will just add to the future

 

[CupWizier]

You didn't answer my question.

Pretty sure I did.

 

[SIeepwalker]

Blow it up entirely ? no. We need to fire stotts and move CJ

 

[Reep]

Maybe you should ask Kings fans or Clipper fans pre Ballmer days when they were lifetime lottery teams. Twolves finally made the playoffs as an 8th seed after 13 years of being a lottery team.

You didn't directly. I'm assuming then that you would be okay with four years of first round exits?

 

[Rastapopoulos]

I think the first move has to be ousting Neil Olshey, not Stotts.

HINKIE!
HINKIE!

 

[OSUBlazerfan]

A year late

http://www.sportstwo.com/threads/its-time-to-trade-cj.316396/

 

[CupWizier]

You didn't directly. I'm assuming then that you would be okay with four years of first round exits?

You are projecting an unknown as if it is real. I live and operate in the now, not the future. I'm not opposed to change, but have no interest in going full rebuild at this stage and hoping to have better results than the Kings, Clippers or TWolves. I can ask you a hypothetical as well and ask if you would be okay with 13 years of lottery like the Twolves. Would you accept that and then make the playoffs the 14th year as the 8th seed and likely swept out of the playoffs?

 

[Reep]

You are projecting an unknown as if it is real. I live and operate in the now, not the future. I'm not opposed to change, but have no interest in going full rebuild at this stage and hoping to have better results than the Kings, Clippers or TWolves. I can ask you a hypothetical as well and ask if you would be okay with 13 years of lottery like the Twolves. Would you accept that and then make the playoffs the 14th year as the 8th seed and likely swept out of the playoffs?

Fair enough. I'm INFJ, so I live in the future. I would be willing to give moving CJ and Stotts a try and getting a 2-way SG a try. that would still require Zach and others to really grow in order to compete. Against the ADs, Warriors, Simmons, and Lakers after free agency, I don't see this team competing and wouldn't be opposed to getting a future star.

 

[Chris Craig]

Fire Stotts

Fire Olshey

Trade CJ

Trade Aminu

Let Napier Go

Let Layman Go

Burn Turners and Meyers contracts

Sign players that can play

 

[Blazinaway]

Sure, fire Olshey, fire stotts, trade CJ, trade Lillard. It's just so obvious that we need to tank for the next 4 years and hope we can be better than the Sacramento Kings.

Exciting days ahead right?

Frankly Cup I'd rather watch a new group of young guys vs a team that has no chance to do anything significant and has had their chance the past 2-3 years. Besides the 13 game win streak they played lousy Bball the majority of the season IMO, it was "for me" not enjoyable to watch. Everyone has views on this and should be respected, I vote for blowin it up and getting rid of Olshey at the least. I would also be fine with a CJ trade to try to balance out the roster and see what we can do with that

 

[CupWizier]

Frankly Cup I'd rather watch a new group of young guys vs a team that has no chance to do anything significant and has had their chance the past 2-3 years. Besides the 13 game win streak they played lousy Bball the majority of the season IMO, it was "for me" not enjoyable to watch. Everyone has views on this and should be respected, I vote for blowin it up and getting rid of Olshey at the least. I would also be fine with a CJ trade to try to balance out the roster and see what we can do with that

Like I mentioned in my previous post, I'm not opposed to making changes, but I also believe posters are panicking and over reacting at this stage as well. As I have observed from this forum and OLive in the past that people get way to high when winning (look at all the predictions going into the playoffs) and then jump off the 13th floor when things don't go well. I try and keep a steady head about myself and not pretend to have the answers.

This playoff series has definitely been disappointing but I give a lot of credit to the Pelicans for looking at least like a team that is playing at the top of their game at the same time Portland has gone into a slump. Anthony Davis's ability to jump the scfreens along with Rondo and Holiday are a nightmare matchup for guard oriented teams and not too many teams would be able to pull off that type of defensive scheme.One thing people forget or at least appears that way, we are still a very young team (2nd or 3rd youngest I believe).

Maybe it's time for a change at coach, or at GM or a trade of CJ, but I would rather watch a playoff team than a lottery team for the next 4 years or so. It's now a fine line between the playoffs and lottery as we experienced this year and to think that because we finished one game ahead of the Pelicans that it makes us a superior team isn't being very realistic. The 3-10 teams were virtually equal this year and getting to that level again might be a tough task if this team is blown up.

** my post was more just my general feelings surge as opposed to anything you posted as I have always enjoyed your posts from the past even if we didn't agree on some things.

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

1. Fire Olshey
2. Fire Stotts (he's lost the team)
3. Trade CJ
4. Probably let Nurk goes if he is signed to a reasonable contract elsewhere
5. Try to move everyone else we can outside of Collins and Dame.
6. Bring back Jailblazers or at least guys who will fucking fuck shit up.

 

[blue9]

One thing people forget or at least appears that way, we are still a very young team (2nd or 3rd youngest I believe).

I just wanted to comment on this, because I think some people make too much out of it. Our team's average age means very little, and is skewed young because we lack any real veteran presence coupled with a slew of young-but-low-ceiling players (Papa, Wade, Biggie, Jake). Our rotation players have the following ages & years of experience

• Dame: 27, 6
• CJ: 26, 5
• Harkless: 24, 6
• Aminu: 27, 8
• Nurk: 23, 4
• Turner: 29, 8
• Ed: 28, 8
• Pat: 25, 3
• Collins: 20, 1

It's really only Collins and Nurk that are young. Harkless is on the cusp, but his years in the league kind of erase the idea that he's as young as his age would indicate. We lack anyone over 30, which is what gives us the appearance of being a young team. But does anyone really think we're a younger team than PHI? By average age we are, but by core players we most certainly are not.

 

[kjironman1]

....unless Neil makes a spectacular trade to land this team a legit difference maker.

CJ/Dame, with the roster as constructed, have hit their ceiling.

I think the first move has to be ousting Neil Olshey, not Stotts.

Ladies, what say you?

Yeah there needs to be some changes. But blowing it up would be stupid. I personally think they could find a better fit than CJ but that might take a couple years to get a good deal to work. The GM has brought this team some success and needs to continue his work. Just because it isn't fast enough for you and a few others doesn't make it not fact. The Coach is well liked and the Players want him here. Again because you don't think that is the case it is fact. Stotts will get at least another year.

 

[kjironman1]

Like I mentioned in my previous post, I'm not opposed to making changes, but I also believe posters are panicking and over reacting at this stage as well. As I have observed from this forum and OLive in the past that people get way to high when winning (look at all the predictions going into the playoffs) and then jump off the 13th floor when things don't go well. I try and keep a steady head about myself and not pretend to have the answers.

This playoff series has definitely been disappointing but I give a lot of credit to the Pelicans for looking at least like a team that is playing at the top of their game at the same time Portland has gone into a slump. Anthony Davis's ability to jump the scfreens along with Rondo and Holiday are a nightmare matchup for guard oriented teams and not too many teams would be able to pull off that type of defensive scheme.One thing people forget or at least appears that way, we are still a very young team (2nd or 3rd youngest I believe).

Maybe it's time for a change at coach, or at GM or a trade of CJ, but I would rather watch a playoff team than a lottery team for the next 4 years or so. It's now a fine line between the playoffs and lottery as we experienced this year and to think that because we finished one game ahead of the Pelicans that it makes us a superior team isn't being very realistic. The 3-10 teams were virtually equal this year and getting to that level again might be a tough task if this team is blown up.

** my post was more just my general feelings surge as opposed to anything you posted as I have always enjoyed your posts from the past even if we didn't agree on some things.

Probably the best post in the thread. Yes some changes could be made. But only if they are smart moves and at the right time.

 

[HailBlazers]

I would blow it up, but not with regard to the young bigs, they can fit in another window. CJ should go for several reasons, and unfortunately, I would probably move Dame only because I don't think his window will align with a rebuild and it isn't really fair to make him use is prime years on a rebuild.

Dame has five years of prime left IMO.

 

[BonesJones]

I'm higher on the roster than most people here. I think we need a new coach that values ball movement as well as using ball movement to get the best shot possible (which is usually an interior shot, not a jumpshot). A coach that uses Dame and C.J. off the ball. A coach that has an offensive system that results with sets containing some to the rim player movement.. A coach that has us run in transition as well as switch up defensive schemes from time to time to try to force turnovers to do so as well as keep offenses off balance and not knowing what to expect.

 

[BonesJones]

I just wanted to comment on this, because I think some people make too much out of it. Our team's average age means very little, and is skewed young because we lack any real veteran presence coupled with a slew of young-but-low-ceiling players (Papa, Wade, Biggie, Jake). Our rotation players have the following ages & years of experience

• Dame: 27, 6
• CJ: 26, 5
• Harkless: 24, 6
• Aminu: 27, 8
• Nurk: 23, 4
• Turner: 29, 8
• Ed: 28, 8
• Pat: 25, 3
• Collins: 20, 1

It's really only Collins and Nurk that are young. Harkless is on the cusp, but his years in the league kind of erase the idea that he's as young as his age would indicate. We lack anyone over 30, which is what gives us the appearance of being a young team. But does anyone really think we're a younger team than PHI? By average age we are, but by core players we most certainly are not.

Exactly. The "youngest playoff team" argument is devoid of context.

 

[Natebishop3]

Maybe you should ask Kings fans or Clipper fans pre Ballmer days when they were lifetime lottery teams. Twolves finally made the playoffs as an 8th seed after 13 years of being a lottery team.

The Clippers weren't trying to win during the Donald Sterling years. He regularly drafted quality players and then let them walk when their cheap rookie deals ended. The Clips are not a good example of a team that tanked for years.

The Wolves have a much brighter future than we do. Towns is only 22. Wiggins is only 23. Butler is only 28. Their core is much more well rounded and talented than ours.

The Sixers have three generational talents. Arguably the best center in the league in Embiid, the next LeBron in Simmons, and Fultz could be something really special as well. They have a better future than we do.

Tanking only works if you have a bright front office, which the Kings do not. Their ownership is fucking horrible.

 

[Chris Craig]