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Hank The Dwarf

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Time to start over, I know PA won't want to hear it but its time to nuke this roster and start from scratch. You simply CANNOT win in Portland Oregon, through Free Agency and trades. We need to gut this team for cap space and future draft picks. Get a few lottery picks and hope to hit a home run with a new franchise player.

Aldridge, Batum, Wallace, Matthews...every last one of them. Those guys are not good enough to get us where we want to go, and being stuck in mediocrity is the worst place you can be.

I hope Larry Miller has the stones to get this done.

-hank
 
please stay at o-live.
 
Maybe we can follow the Cavs plan. Suck for 19 years until you strike gold in draft then have superstar leave Portland for bigger market. Suck again and repeat.
 
I find OP funny, if we can't improve by free agency or trades what the hell good is any cap space going to be?
 
Draco said:
I find OP funny, if we can't improve by free agency or trades what the hell good is any cap space going to be?
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Flexibility, get under the cap, aquire draft picks..hope to get a superstar and then use the cap space to complete the team with veteran FA's.

It's either blow it up or spend the next 5 years hoping to be a 6-8 seed and getting bounced in the first round.
 
Hank The Dwarf said:
Flexibility, get under the cap, aquire draft picks..hope to get a superstar and then use the cap space to complete the team with veteran FA's.

It's either blow it up or spend the next 5 years hoping to be a 6-8 seed and getting bounced in the first round.
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And how would that be better than maintaining a core of Aldridge, Wallace, Batum, and Felton while positioning the team to have enough cap space to sign a max FA next summer, bringing Joel Freeland over, and having a mid-range draft pick in a really deep draft?
 
e_blazer said:
And how would that be better than maintaining a core of Aldridge, Wallace, Batum, and Felton while positioning the team to have enough cap space to sign a max FA next summer, bringing Joel Freeland over, and having a mid-range draft pick in a really deep draft?
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Because premier NBA FA's will not sign in Portland..the core that you mentioned of Aldridge, Wallace, Batum and Felton are not good enough to get us a legit shot at winning a title..and yet they are good enough to consistently win 40ish games a year and keep us drafting in the late teens to mid 20's every year.

It's time to start over, the Roy era has ended and we need to nuke it.
 
Hank The Dwarf said:
Time to start over, I know PA won't want to hear it but its time to nuke this roster and start from scratch. You simply CANNOT win in Portland Oregon, through Free Agency and trades. We need to gut this team for cap space and future draft picks. Get a few lottery picks and hope to hit a home run with a new franchise player.

Aldridge, Batum, Wallace, Matthews...every last one of them. Those guys are not good enough to get us where we want to go, and being stuck in mediocrity is the worst place you can be.

I hope Larry Miller has the stones to get this done.

-hank
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ha ha ha ha ha ha!

Nice plan.

Not.
 
Sorry, but I don't buy it. Sure the premier stars will do what they've always done and position themselves to play in big markets, but there's a whole lot of very good players who will be looking for a big contract and not enough teams are going to have the cap space to give it to them. Besides, how is the recipe of blowing it up in order to take a chance on the draft a recipe for success? If the guy you draft is a premier player, he may eventually try to play the "trade me or I won't re-sign" game. I'd rather start with some really good pieces than start with nothing.
 
Sadly he's more right than wrong. You guys just refuse to believe it
 
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Hank The Dwarf said:
It's either blow it up or spend the next 5 years hoping to be a 6-8 seed and getting bounced in the first round.
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No, it's either blow it up or else keep together a core that is good but not great and hope to add pieces through smart signings, drafts and trades to improve their lot. Which is the way most teams go from good to great.

And if your problem with the second scenario is lack of trust in the front office to make smart decisions then I fail to see why you'd trust them with cap space and lottery picks.
 
But I do agree that they need to do something big.

LaMarcus Aldridge and 14 complementary players wont get you too far.
 
Mediocre Man said:
Sadly he's more right than wrong. You guys just refuse to believe it
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How many teams built a champion through purposefully tearing their team down ("tanking") and then using the cap space and lottery picks? Provide a few examples that show that this blueprint is quite a successful one.
 
e_blazer said:
What's really sad is that you can never seem to get past your usual pessimist shtick.
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We've been under the cap before with plenty of $$ to offer to big time FA's... why don't we have Lebron or CP3 playing here?

Shoot, we could not even convince Hedo to come to Portland. It simply won't happen. The only way for this team to re-build is through the draft. I don't want to see another decade of trying to "re-load" by bringing in aging overpaid ex-stars like Wallace in desperate trades.

It won't work.
 
Hank The Dwarf said:
We've been under the cap before with plenty of $$ to offer to big time FA's... why don't we have Lebron or CP3 playing here?

Shoot, we could not even convince Hedo to come to Portland. It simply won't happen. The only way for this team to re-build is through the draft. I don't want to see another decade of trying to "re-load" by bringing in aging overpaid ex-stars like Wallace in desperate trades.

It won't work.
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Easy... They all signed extensions with their teams, so not even the large markets got them.
 
Hank The Dwarf said:
We've been under the cap before with plenty of $$ to offer to big time FA's... why don't we have Lebron or CP3 playing here?

Shoot, we could not even convince Hedo to come to Portland. It simply won't happen. The only way for this team to re-build is through the draft. I don't want to see another decade of trying to "re-load" by bringing in aging overpaid ex-stars like Wallace in desperate trades.

It won't work.
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I didn't say that the Blazers would attract a premier player via free agency. I do think that they can get a really good FA next summer. I think that the right very good player coupled with our core can make the Blazers a contender. I also think that a good GM can use cap space in unbalanced trades to bring in really good players and draft picks. I think that getting a good GM on board is the very first task that has to be completed before developing a strategy as to how to retool the roster. I DO NOT think that trashing the roster is a recipe for success. All you end up doing is developing young talent and then losing it because you don't have the other pieces necessary to keep the young stars around once their contract is up.
 
e_blazer said:
What's really sad is that you can never seem to get past your usual pessimist shtick.
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Shtick?

Roy has to retire

Oden will most likely never play for us again (Getting nothing for him)

LA has a recurring heart condition

Our center spot is manned by to of the oldest players in the league

Our PG is fatter than I am

We have a three headed GM that has basically no GM experience between them

Our draft picks the last several years have been pathetic
 
e_blazer said:
I didn't say that the Blazers would attract a premier player via free agency. I do think that they can get a really good FA next summer. I think that the right very good player coupled with our core can make the Blazers a contender. I also think that a good GM can use cap space in unbalanced trades to bring in really good players and draft picks. I think that getting a good GM on board is the very first task that has to be completed before developing a strategy as to how to retool the roster. I DO NOT think that trashing the roster is a recipe for success. All you end up doing is developing young talent and then losing it because you don't have the other pieces necessary to keep the young stars around once their contract is up.
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What player are you suggesting we would be able to sign next year?
 
Minstrel said:
How many teams built a champion through purposefully tearing their team down ("tanking") and then using the cap space and lottery picks? Provide a few examples that show that this blueprint is quite a successful one.
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Championship caliber

SA
CLE
MIA
LAL
OKC
CHI

Other teams like Wash and LAC have great young studs to start with

I would also add Portland to the list of teams if they hadn't been hurt. Or simply drafted Durant instead of Oden. It is one of the only systems that works. Even Boston and Dallas have built their teams around lotto picks
 
SA didn't tear their team down.
 
RR7 said:
SA didn't tear their team down.
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What? Yes they did. They got Robinson because of it, and then he got hurt, they tanked and got Duncan. Houston did this with Olajuwan as well
 
Dallas never tore down their team, and tried drafting lottery picks, as proposed. That would have been trading Dirk. They continued to add talent, and then look to upgrade that talent with other players in their prime. Similar to us adding Miller, and then upgrading him to Felton. Adding Wallace. Adding Camby. We're basically on that same road, intentionally or not.
In fact, Dallas traded AWAY young talent(Harris and picks) to get to where they are now. The main constant with them was upgrading talent, which is what we need to continue to do. And it may take a couple of years to find the right fits around the one player you are building around, but it's the primary option we have currently.
 
Can we compromise? How about we just blow up the front office, the coaching staff, and the last 3 years worth of wasted draft picks?
 
RR7 said:
Dallas never tore down their team, and tried drafting lottery picks, as proposed. That would have been trading Dirk. They continued to add talent, and then look to upgrade that talent with other players in their prime. Similar to us adding Miller, and then upgrading him to Felton. Adding Wallace. Adding Camby. We're basically on that same road, intentionally or not.
In fact, Dallas traded AWAY young talent(Harris and picks) to get to where they are now. The main constant with them was upgrading talent, which is what we need to continue to do. And it may take a couple of years to find the right fits around the one player you are building around, but it's the primary option we have currently.
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So we should win the title this season? Huh, who knew?


I guess it doesn't matter that people seriously compare Dirk to Larry Freaking Bird. That might help some. Aldridge is really good, but he's not in that class. close, but not there. Time to retool around him. Camby, Felton, Wallace aren't near enough to compete with the elite teams
 
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