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Have you read either of his books? If so, are they worth it and which would you recommend more.
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Actually no I haven't. His political views put me off a little so I haven't looked at his books. I can say they (& Teller) put on a good magic show at the Rio and are quite friendly in person.
 
I like Christmas. I just love the holiday. I love the lights. I love the lore. I love the trees. I just enjoy Christmas. I don't care if it's religious. I just enjoy it. I like to give and receive presents. I like to spend time with my family.
 
crowTrobot said:
don't like libertarians?
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Its not that I can't handle reading the opinions of someone I disagree with. We agree on some things. I just find Ayn Rand and free market talk very boring.
 
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I like Christmas. I just love the holiday. I love the lights. I love the lore. I love the trees. I just enjoy Christmas. I don't care if it's religious. I just enjoy it. I like to give and receive presents. I like to spend time with my family.
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one of the best experiences of my life was seeing the Osborne Christmas Lights with family (twice) at Disney's Hollywood Studios. 5 million lights in one small area.
 
speeds said:
Its not that I can't handle reading the opinions of someone I disagree with. We agree on some things. I just find Ayn Rand and free market talk very boring.
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Penn doesn't talk that much about free market stuff. He does have a lot to say about keeping the government out of everyone's personal lives.
 
Sinobas said:
people can fly
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who flew in the bible? god "took" people to heaven without death occasionally, but I don't recall anyone going all Neo while still on earth. no Nimbus 2000s in the bible either.
 
One of my childhood friends fell off the deep end. When totally embarrassed he pulled a foxnews and answered a question that he could not answer besides 'only god knows' and accusations of attacking his Jesus. One of many daily fb rants that totally fucks up my newsfeed :lol: :

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This right here is what bugs me about Christians and their "I'm morally superior" smug attitude.

Oh, and his rant about the gays was hilarious -- Apparently it's a choice. I then asked at the time he became interested in girls was he also interested in boys -- hence the "choice". Needless to say, he didn't have an answer.
 
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crowTrobot said:
Penn doesn't talk that much about free market stuff. He does have a lot to say about keeping the government out of everyone's personal lives.
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Fair enough. Maybe I'll check them out.
 
crowTrobot said:
who flew in the bible? god "took" people to heaven without death occasionally, but I don't recall anyone going all Neo while still on earth. no Nimbus 2000s in the bible either.
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Jesus ascended up through the atmosphere into outer space, that's could be considered flying.
 
Fez Hammersticks said:
This right here is what bugs me about Christians and their "I'm morally superior" smug attitude.
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This is a particularly interesting sentiment to me because the exact same claim is made on both sides. Many Christians complain that atheists often act smug and morally superior".

I think both sides need a little humility, myself included. I know I have looked down at certain people for holding the beliefs they hold. And I'll continue since I find literal interpretations completely bat-shit crazy. But I need to find a way to stop looking down at the person who holds the belief, and instead just look down at the belief itself. A recognition that the person still holds value can only benefit all parties.

Also, I am finally realizing if I live to a thousand years old I will have successfully convinced zero true believers to turn away from god. Ill never succeed at that endeavor, but if I instead simply be friends and show respect to true believers, perhaps they will have a better view of atheists. Then if life brings them to someday question religion on their own, they might be more likely to not shun the idea of atheism since they will have friends and respectful relationships with atheists.

So on that note, merry Christmas, happy Chanukah, merry quanza, happy festivus, happy everyday, happy winter solstice, no matter your philosophical/religious/spiritual leaning. And a happy new year.
 
I don't look down on people who believe, but yes, I do look down at the belief itself. Try to concoct a more disgusting universe. The most terrible universe imaginable is one where people are tortured for eternity with no end or hope for reprieve. And Christianity only beats that by a little bit, because a few people can be saved if they believe in some whacky human sacrifice with no evidence. And we're supposed to remember to celebrate that as "the reason for the season".
 
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