TPE

[Boob-No-More]

Not mine! Can't stand the guy.

Says the guy who's always bitching about needing to add vets to our roster...

Dudley is an excellent 3-point shooter, a very solid defender, has on off the charts BBIQ (will likely be an NBA head coach some day) and is a great locker room guy who would be a perfect mentor and role model for our young players.

So, of course you don't want him.

BNM

 

[Boob-No-More]

Would we get under the tax if we traded say Davis and a pick for Kyle O'quinn?

No, even if we made that trade and waived all of our non- guaranteed contracts (Morrow, Goodwin and Briscoe) we'd still be somewhere around $600k over the threshold.

BNM

 

[Scalma]

No, even if we made that trade and waived all of our non- guaranteed contracts (Morrow, Goodwin and Briscoe) we'd still be somewhere around $600k over the threshold.

BNM

Package connaughton with Davis then.

 

[illmatic99]

We aren't getting anyone of significance. 12 mil doesn't get you the kind of player it used to.

The luxury tax savings are probably more impactful.

 

[Strenuus]

Not mine! Can't stand the guy.

What, now you don't like vets?

 

[Scalma]

We aren't getting anyone of significance. 12 mil doesn't get you the kind of player it used to.

The luxury tax savings are probably more impactful.

For Paul maybe.

Does Shumpert make us a better team? I don't think anyone is expecting an all star caliber player in return, but I'll take anyone that makes us better.

 

[illmatic99]

For Paul maybe.

Does Shumpert make us a better team? I don't think anyone is expecting an all star caliber player in return, but I'll take anyone that makes us better.

No. He's a worse Harkless who gets paid more.

 

[BLAZINGGIANTS]

Says the guy who's always bitching about needing to add vets to our roster...

Dudley is an excellent 3-point shooter, a very solid defender, has on off the charts BBIQ (will likely be an NBA head coach some day) and is a great locker room guy who would be a perfect mentor and role model for our young players.

So, of course you don't want him.

BNM

This. I get why BGD can't stand the dude, though. For what he is, he's a cocky, little shit-talker. But we need some of this swag and confidence on our team. He's definitely the type of role player you mostly hate if he's not on your team, like if he's on it.

 

[Scalma]

No. He's a worse Harkless who gets paid more.

He makes about the same as Harkless and is only locked up for two seasons. I don't think he's worse. He's better with the ball in his hands, and is a more consistent shooter and defender.

 

[Nikolokolus]

My guess is that Olshey and Allen hold on to the TPE until they get an idea of just how competitive this team will be in the re-loaded West. If they are one of those 'head barely above water' .500 teams by the time the playoffs come around, that are trending downward, I'll bet they pocket the savings and keep trying to get below the cap. If they are surprisingly competitive and in the mix for a 4th seed or higher, and they see a veteran that can push them up the ladder, I can see them trying to use it to add salary, but even then it's going to be a long-shot.

It's just a hunch, but I'd give 10:1 odds they let it expire.

 

[tlongII]

My guess is that Olshey and Allen hold on to the TPE until they get an idea of just how competitive this team will be in the re-loaded West. If they are one of those 'head barely above water' .500 teams by the time the playoffs come around, that are trending downward, I'll bet they pocket the savings and keep trying to get below the cap. If they are surprisingly competitive and in the mix for a 4th seed or higher, and they see a veteran that can push them up the ladder, I can see them trying to use it to add salary, but even then it's going to be a long-shot.

It's just a hunch, but I'd give 10:1 odds they let it expire.

Exactly.

 

[BLAZINGGIANTS]

I also don't think we know what we have, not only competitive-wise, but where the holes are and what skill set we're missing. I can see NO holding the TPE until he identifies what we need on this roster.

 

[Scalma]

Looks like Quick read this thread

http://www.csnnw.com/portland-trail-blazers/breakfast-blazers-olshey-may-not-be-done-roster


“But things are not over yet,’’ Olshey said. “We have the biggest trade exception in the league; we are still aggressive.’’

A trade exception is valuable in acquiring a player from a team that is looking to dump salary by absorbing the contract without having to give anything back in return. In other words, the Blazers can acquire a player making $12.9 million without having to give up anyone. The Blazers get a good player, the other team gets cap relief.

The $12.9 million trade exception was acquired because the Blazers sent out more money with Crabbe’s contract (about $19 million) than they got in return from Brooklyn in the form of Andrew Nicholson’s contract (about $6 million). Nicholson was later waived.

The Blazers have until July 2018 to use the exception, and it could be something that it utilized quickly, such as if Cleveland needs to move salary to sign Dwyane Wade, the Blazers could facilitate by absorbing Iman Shumpert and his $10.3 million contract.

Or it could be used later in the season, perhaps after a team that thought it would be a contender falls out of a race, or decides to go in a different direction. The point is, Olshey still has a chip he can play in improving the roster.

For reference, here are examples of some players who could be absorbed using the $12.9 million: Denver’s Kenneth Faried ($12.9 million); Washington’s Marcin Gortat ($12.8 million), Sacramento’s Zach Randolph ($12.3 million), Charlotte’s Kemba Walker ($12.0 million), Orlando’s Terrence Ross ($10.5 million), Detroit’s Jon Leuer ($10.4 million).

Certainly, none of those names are as impactful as a Paul George or Carmelo Anthony, but they could be pieces that improve the roster, even if it means going over the luxury tax threshold, which owner Paul Allen has made clear he does not fear.

 

[Scalma]

I also don't think we know what we have, not only competitive-wise, but where the holes are and what skill set we're missing. I can see NO holding the TPE until he identifies what we need on this roster.

Doesn't know what we have? It's literally the same roster. He should have a general idea by now

 

[KeepOnRollin]

I would take Faried as a stop-gag at PF and he told DEN if they won't start him (and the won't with Milsap) that he wants out.

 

[Pinwheel1]

Right. Have to use it by next summer. So get under the LT threshold for this year so the Blazers aren't a repeater next year, then use it after July.

Yes this makes the most sense to me.

I also agree it could be used around the trade deadline if we are playing well, but it would take an injury for us to use it. I mean if we are playing well already why add another one of those players listed? We would need a replacement player IMO, not an addition to the bench.

 

[Scalma]

Wade is going to Cleveland. Shumpert has to be really available now.

 

[BLAZINGGIANTS]

Doesn't know what we have? It's literally the same roster. He should have a general idea by now

You've never coached basketball, have you?

Players develop, roles change, some players regress. What may have been a weakness last year, may now be a strength, especially with a full year of Nurk. What may have been a strength last year may now be a weakness. I'd give the team time to grow and move forward together and spend my TPE where I can help the roster the most.

I'm no expert, so I don't pretend to know exactly what we have with this roster. And I'm not sure how anyone can be so sure, considering the changes the last quarter of the season, and we have one of the youngest rosters with a lot of guys developing and learning. But maybe you know exactly what we have, so good on you for that.

 

[Gronk Brady]

It’s great to have a trade exception, but unfortunately there are no players in the salary dump range that are worth going into luxury tax for... the only player I might consider is Derrick Favors... besides him, the exception is worthless IMO

 

[PtldPlatypus]

Hypothetical best-case scenario--NY realizes they need another ball-handler more than they need outside shooting and decides Turner would be a good option. We swap Turner for Courtney Lee at the trade deadline, using the TPE to absorb Lee's contract, generating an even larger TPE with a much later expiration date by sending out Turner, and getting us under the tax line in the process.

 

[Scalma]

You've never coached basketball, have you?

Players develop, roles change, some players regress. What may have been a weakness last year, may now be a strength, especially with a full year of Nurk. What may have been a strength last year may now be a weakness. I'd give the team time to grow and move forward together and spend my TPE where I can help the roster the most.

I'm no expert, so I don't pretend to know exactly what we have with this roster. And I'm not sure how anyone can be so sure, considering the changes the last quarter of the season, and we have one of the youngest rosters with a lot of guys developing and learning. But maybe you know exactly what we have, so good on you for that.

Save the condescending bullshit thanks. Ironic since that's exactly what you were complaining about in another thread as the reason you're going to leave

 

[Boob-No-More]

Hypothetical best-case scenario--NY realizes they need another ball-handler more than they need outside shooting and decides Turner would be a good option. We swap Turner for Courtney Lee at the trade deadline, using the TPE to absorb Lee's contract, generating an even larger TPE with a much later expiration date by sending out Turner, and getting us under the tax line in the process.

As a rebuilding team, I really don't think the Knicks are interested in acquiring any overpaid players over the age of 25. Even if Turner filled a need, I doubt if they'd be interested in a 29-year old role player making $18 million a year with two and a half years left on his contract.

BNM

 

[BLAZINGGIANTS]

Save the condescending bullshit thanks. Ironic since that's exactly what you were complaining about in another thread as the reason you're going to leave

It's not condescending, but take it how you want to. You tend to read that from people cuz most of your posts could be interpreted that way, it seems (talking about leaving had nothing to do with condescending posts, by the way - absolutely nothing. It was about people being crybabies and/or pricks). I'm just not pretending to know everything, thanks. You clearly missed the part where I said I don't take this place serious, and everything I say is with humor or tongue-in-cheek.

In case you weren't aware, this is one of the youngest teams in the league. Having coached a little, teams and players change year-to-year. I wouldn't be in a hurry to use the TPE, unless something comes along that you can't afford not to jump on. We don't know what we have with this team. You seem to think we do. But we really don't. What if the last 20 games with Nurk were an illusion? What if they were just scratching the surface? What if Swanigan is the answer at PF? What is Harkless steps up his game? What if Dame becomes Steph Curry with this roster?

 

[PtldPlatypus]

As a rebuilding team, I really don't think the Knicks are interested in acquiring any overpaid players over the age of 25. Even if Turner filled a need, I doubt if they'd be interested in a 29-year old role player making $18 million a year with two and a half years left on his contract.

BNM

A guy can dream, can't he?

 

[Storyteller2]

Maybe - just maybe - the Blazers might use a small portion of the Trade Exception to bring in another player. Given the state of the team finances (ie, needing to pay Nurk next summer), I would be shocked if they used most or all of it either this season or next summer. IMO, it'll never be used at all.

Think of it this way - last summer, one part of the team's strategy seemed to me to be "Let's stockpile resources to be able to make a trade at some point for a center." Re-signing Crabbe could be seen as one of those resources, to be able to use his $$$ to match salaries in a trade for a big man. But in the end, the team didn't need to send that salary to get their center, but they did (and do) still need to send out that salary to make financial room for Nurk. So sending AC to the Nets served as the necessary salary dump to keep the tax bill from being overwhelming. As such, it would make sense that the team would just let the TPE expire and go unused - unless a gift comes their way that just can't be turned down. I don't expect that kind of gift to be offered, so I don't expect the TPE to be used.

 

[e_blazer]

Maybe - just maybe - the Blazers might use a small portion of the Trade Exception to bring in another player. Given the state of the team finances (ie, needing to pay Nurk next summer), I would be shocked if they used most or all of it either this season or next summer. IMO, it'll never be used at all.

Think of it this way - last summer, one part of the team's strategy seemed to me to be "Let's stockpile resources to be able to make a trade at some point for a center." Re-signing Crabbe could be seen as one of those resources, to be able to use his $$$ to match salaries in a trade for a big man. But in the end, the team didn't need to send that salary to get their center, but they did (and do) still need to send out that salary to make financial room for Nurk. So sending AC to the Nets served as the necessary salary dump to keep the tax bill from being overwhelming. As such, it would make sense that the team would just let the TPE expire and go unused - unless a gift comes their way that just can't be turned down. I don't expect that kind of gift to be offered, so I don't expect the TPE to be used.

I'm in shock. You're still alive?

 

[PtldPlatypus]

I'm in shock. You're still alive?

Storyteller is immortal, even if also usually invisible...

 

[dviss1]

Now this is a great idea. 5 out of 5 prunetangs approve of this trade. And 4 out 5 got hard dicks thinking about it (the 5th prunetang has terrible taste).

LOVE the Avatar.

 

[illmatic99]

Maybe - just maybe - the Blazers might use a small portion of the Trade Exception to bring in another player. Given the state of the team finances (ie, needing to pay Nurk next summer), I would be shocked if they used most or all of it either this season or next summer. IMO, it'll never be used at all.

Think of it this way - last summer, one part of the team's strategy seemed to me to be "Let's stockpile resources to be able to make a trade at some point for a center." Re-signing Crabbe could be seen as one of those resources, to be able to use his $$$ to match salaries in a trade for a big man. But in the end, the team didn't need to send that salary to get their center, but they did (and do) still need to send out that salary to make financial room for Nurk. So sending AC to the Nets served as the necessary salary dump to keep the tax bill from being overwhelming. As such, it would make sense that the team would just let the TPE expire and go unused - unless a gift comes their way that just can't be turned down. I don't expect that kind of gift to be offered, so I don't expect the TPE to be used.

This is what I was thinking. Either we get a guy on a rookie deal who makes much less than the 12 mil, or we just absorb the cap savings. I don't see that much benefit in getting a washed up, overpaid role player like Shumpert.

Something like Herzonja, Bender, etc for a future pick and the TPE.

 

[Boob-No-More]

A guy can dream, can't he?

More like a fantasy than a dream...

BNM