TPEs (Traded Player Exceptions)

[hoopsjock]

I have this weird feeling that we will be helping out the Bucks and it would kind of make sense for letting Napier and Davis go. The Bucks are now hard capped after paying Ilyasova more than the tax-MLE and have some contracts that they really need to get off their books if they want to keep Jabari Parker.

There are several combinations of deals that would work with the TPE(s).

Brogdon along with either Henson (my favorite combo), Dellavedova, or Snell all work with the bigger TPE.

Thon Maker and Dellavedova seems the most likely if we were just using the big TPE. This gives us an NBA champion experienced backup PG (not saying he is good but would fit what Olshey said) and a young center that could take the Davis role and who Olshey was rumored to want before the draft two years ago.

 

[Wizard Mentor]

Right now Philly can get to about $26 million in cap space. Trading Bayless for nothing gets them to about $35 million or in simpler terms enough to sign LeBron (or someone else) to a max contract. That is absolutely a consideration for them.

Droppin' knowledge. DrForget the pretense, you're "HoopsNerd" not "HoopsJock"

 

[Rastapopoulos]

I have this weird feeling that we will be helping out the Bucks and it would kind of make sense for letting Napier and Davis go. The Bucks are now hard capped after paying Ilyasova more than the tax-MLE and have some contracts that they really need to get off their books if they want to keep Jabari Parker.

There are several combinations of deals that would work with the TPE(s).

Brogdon along with either Henson (my favorite combo), Dellavedova, or Snell all work with the bigger TPE.

Thon Maker and Dellavedova seems the most likely if we were just using the big TPE. This gives us an NBA champion experienced backup PG (not saying he is good but would fit what Olshey said) and a young center that could take the Davis role and who Olshey was rumored to want before the draft two years ago.

No way they're getting rid of Thon Maker. Don't see why they'd get rid of Brogdon, either.

 

[LayneStaley]

If the rumors of philly going after Kawhi and LBJ are true they will need to shed salary, would they send Covington to us for TPE and a lottery protected 1st?

 

[Hobbesarable]

I have this weird feeling that we will be helping out the Bucks and it would kind of make sense for letting Napier and Davis go. The Bucks are now hard capped after paying Ilyasova more than the tax-MLE and have some contracts that they really need to get off their books if they want to keep Jabari Parker.

There are several combinations of deals that would work with the TPE(s).

Brogdon along with either Henson (my favorite combo), Dellavedova, or Snell all work with the bigger TPE.

Thon Maker and Dellavedova seems the most likely if we were just using the big TPE. This gives us an NBA champion experienced backup PG (not saying he is good but would fit what Olshey said) and a young center that could take the Davis role and who Olshey was rumored to want before the draft two years ago.

I like Brogdon. He excelled in Tony Bennett's system at Virginia where players are expected to give full effort on defense.

 

[tykendo]

Let's pass on the Bucks deadweight please.

 

[AFully22]

If the rumors of philly going after Kawhi and LBJ are true they will need to shed salary, would they send Covington to us for TPE and a lottery protected 1st?

This is the kind of situation I think Olshey is praying while also preparing for. He will need a bailout or to play clean up in the aftermath of some of these potentially bigger moves.

 

[hoopsjock]

No way they're getting rid of Thon Maker. Don't see why they'd get rid of Brogdon, either.

Have you looked at their situation? When they signed Ilyasova they are hard capped with only about $16 million left. That means if Parker signs for $16 million somewhere they would be unable to match. Even if he signs for a little less it would be tough for them to match and stay under the apron. Maker hasn't been that good and it may be worth giving up one of their young guys to shed a bad contract to keep them out of the tax and not have to worry about filling out their roster.

 

[hoopsjock]

Let's pass on the Bucks deadweight please.

Getting Brogdon or Maker isn't exactly dead weight.

 

[tykendo]

Getting Brogdon or Maker isn't exactly dead weight.

Close enough, and not a need for this team.

 

[hoopsjock]

I'd love to know what kind of offers have been out there for the big TPE and if there are players that Olshey knows he can use it on and is just waiting to see if something else better comes along first before deciding if taking on any of those players is worth it.

 

[Gronk Brady]

Does anyone know if the TPE can be use in sign n trade? Like would Jabari Parker be possible?

 

[Labinot41]

I'd love to know what kind of offers have been out there for the big TPE and if there are players that Olshey knows he can use it on and is just waiting to see if something else better comes along first before deciding if taking on any of those players is worth it.

His Job is to safe Paul Allens money. He will let the tpe expire. Trust me bro

 

[RR7]

Does anyone know if the TPE can be use in sign n trade? Like would Jabari Parker be possible?

Technically it can be used for one, but it hard caps you at the apron, and were already over that

 

[hoopsjock]

Does anyone know if the TPE can be use in sign n trade? Like would Jabari Parker be possible?

We are at roughly $130 million in salary (depending on the amount of Nurk's 1st year it could be slightly more or slightly less). The apron is $129.817 million. At the conclusion of the sign and trade we'd have to be below that $129.817 number which makes using the TPE for it impossible. So in order to do a sign and trade the Bucks would have to take back at least the difference in salary between the $130 we are at and the apron line.

For example Evan Turner for Parker at like $16 million a year would probably work but we'd lose the TPE's and couldn't sign anyone for even the minimum the rest of the year (which might not be a big deal if we have 15 guys anyway unless there are injuries). The problem is that the Bucks are also hard capped so they couldn't do it, nor would they likely want any package we'd send them more than just keeping Parker.

 

[Hoopguru]

Does anyone know if the TPE can be use in sign n trade? Like would Jabari Parker be possible?

Man, I do like JP.

 

[Natebishop3]

I hate the new salary cap.

 

[BrianFromWA]

It is interesting that Melo just got cut so that his team could save A HUNDRED MILLION DOLLARS IN ONE YEAR.

 

[riverman]

It is interesting that Melo just got cut so that his team could save A HUNDRED MILLION DOLLARS IN ONE YEAR.

Probably part of Paul George's terms to re-sign with the team as well...lose Melo, I'll stick around

 

[BonesJones]

So Tobias Harris has been rumored in trades all off-season. The Clippers have Harrel, who's extremely underrated, and just signed a combo forward in Mike Scott. I still feel like there's a chance Harris could be on his way out.

They likely don't want extra long term salary, so itll be tough. Theyre also facing the tax if the rresign Harrell. BKN needs another PF, and seems to love our players, and has cap space to accept Aminu.

LAC Gets: Swanigan (TPE), Turner, 2019 POR 1st, $21.6M TPE (D.G.)
POR Gets: Harris, Gallinari
BKN Gets: Aminu, Layman, Papagiannis

LAC takes Swanigan with its Liggins TPE, so that Harris matches Turner and Gallinari is extra outgoing salary and creates a $21.6M TPE (I think thats gow it would work?). They could use this TPE for Kawhi in any scenario in the next year.

If Gallinari has a bounce back year, we get two top notch combo-forwards. Hes always hurt though, but we'd still be better off...


Lillard (36) / McCollum (12)
McCollum (23) / Curry (25)
Harkless (28) / Gallinari (20)
Harris (33) / Gallinari (7) / Collins (5)
Nurkic (30) / Collins (18)

Or without Gallinari:

Lillard (36) / McCollum (12)
McCollum (23) / Curry (25)
Harkless (30) / Trent (15) / Curry (3)
Harris (35) / Collins (8) / Harkless (3)
Nurkic (30) / Collins (18)

 

[TorturedBlazerFan]

So Tobias Harris has been rumored in trades all off-season. The Clippers have Harrel, who's extremely underrated, and just signed a combo forward in Mike Scott. I still feel like there's a chance Harris could be on his way out.

They likely don't want extra long term salary, so itll be tough. Theyre also facing the tax if the rresign Harrell. BKN needs another PF, and seems to love our players, and has cap space to accept Aminu.

LAC Gets: Swanigan (TPE), Turner, 2019 POR 1st, $21.6M TPE (D.G.)
POR Gets: Harris, Gallinari
BKN Gets: Aminu, Layman, Papagiannis

LAC takes Swanigan with its Liggins TPE, so that Harris matches Turner and Gallinari is extra outgoing salary and creates a $21.6M TPE (I think thats gow it would work?). They could use this TPE for Kawhi in any scenario in the next year.

If Gallinari has a bounce back year, we get two top notch combo-forwards. Hes always hurt though, but we'd still be better off...


Lillard (36) / McCollum (12)
McCollum (23) / Curry (25)
Harkless (28) / Gallinari (20)
Harris (33) / Gallinari (7) / Collins (5)
Nurkic (30) / Collins (18)

Or without Gallinari:

Lillard (36) / McCollum (12)
McCollum (23) / Curry (25)
Harkless (30) / Trent (15) / Curry (3)
Harris (35) / Collins (8) / Harkless (3)
Nurkic (30) / Collins (18)

Sorry if I missed it, but would the Blazers still have Baldwin IV In this scenario?

 

[RR7]

I'm still not sure we'll end up using either of our TPEs, but, were we to, I'm assuming we'd likely be targeting a team that is currently in the LT.

There are 5 teams(not including us) that are in the tax. OKC, GS, Toronto, Washington and Denver.

If were to use the TPE straight up to add 1 more player from a team, we would need to figure out who on our team we waive, or we would need to have an unbalanced trade to make roster space.

I don't think GS cares. I think OKC is resounded to one huge spike this season.

Out of the remaining 3, Denver's been discussed a lot. Moving Plumlee to us gets them all the way out of the tax, but leaves them without a backup C.
For us, he's an obvious upgrade over Leonard, but 13 million for our backup C, without factoring the added tax?

Washington is 11 million into the tax. Morris and Oubre combined would get them out of the tax. We'd need to waive 2 players though.

Toronto is 12.8 into the tax. CJ Miles at 8.3 could be a target, and give us solid bench production at the SF spot.

 

[hoopsjock]

I'm still not sure we'll end up using either of our TPEs, but, were we to, I'm assuming we'd likely be targeting a team that is currently in the LT.

There are 5 teams(not including us) that are in the tax. OKC, GS, Toronto, Washington and Denver.

If were to use the TPE straight up to add 1 more player from a team, we would need to figure out who on our team we waive, or we would need to have an unbalanced trade to make roster space.

I don't think GS cares. I think OKC is resounded to one huge spike this season.

Out of the remaining 3, Denver's been discussed a lot. Moving Plumlee to us gets them all the way out of the tax, but leaves them without a backup C.
For us, he's an obvious upgrade over Leonard, but 13 million for our backup C, without factoring the added tax?

Washington is 11 million into the tax. Morris and Oubre combined would get them out of the tax. We'd need to waive 2 players though.

Toronto is 12.8 into the tax. CJ Miles at 8.3 could be a target, and give us solid bench production at the SF spot.

Don't forget teams like the Bucks who have gotten themselves hard capped and may need to cut salary.

 

[illmatic99]

2 weeks left.

 

[e_blazer]

2 weeks left.

Not holding my breath.

 

[illmatic99]

Not holding my breath.

Neither am I. Really wonder how Neil will spin this one after selling it so hard in the few other interviews he's done this summer.

At least get a pick out of it or something, come on.

 

[e_blazer]

Neither am I. Really wonder how Neil will spin this one after selling it so hard in the few other interviews he's done this summer.

At least get a pick out of it or something, come on.

Just the usual, I'm guessing: "We explored ideas with multiple teams, but at the end of the day there just weren't any options that made sense to both sides. We think that we've improved our team with the draft picks and signings we've done this summer and through internal growth. We'll continue to look for ways to upgrade our team as the season progresses...blah, blah, blah."

 

[PtldPlatypus]

Neither am I. Really wonder how Neil will spin this one after selling it so hard in the few other interviews he's done this summer.

"We were highly aggressive in our pursuit of using the trade exception, but very few of the players presently at that salary tier fit the specifications we were seeking--veterans who can contribute immediately and in the playoffs--and other teams had no interest in dealing those that did meet that criteria. So we were faced with the option of using the exception to acquire a player that wouldn't benefit the current roster, or go to war with the guys we have, and Paul and I decided jointly to do the latter."

 

[illmatic99]

Just the usual, I'm guessing: "We explored ideas with multiple teams, but at the end of the day there just weren't any options that made sense to both sides. We think that we've improved our team with the draft picks and signings we've done this summer and through internal growth. We'll continue to look for ways to upgrade our team as the season progresses...blah, blah, blah."

"We were highly aggressive in our pursuit of using the trade exception, but very few of the players presently at that salary tier fit the specifications we were seeking--veterans who can contribute immediately and in the playoffs--and other teams had no interest in dealing those that did meet that criteria. So we were faced with the option of using the exception to acquire a player that wouldn't benefit the current roster, or go to war with the guys we have, and Paul and I decided jointly to do the latter."

I feel like Rich Cho was more aggressive in making trades than Neil.

 

[illmatic99]

I'm still not sure we'll end up using either of our TPEs, but, were we to, I'm assuming we'd likely be targeting a team that is currently in the LT.

There are 5 teams(not including us) that are in the tax. OKC, GS, Toronto, Washington and Denver.

If were to use the TPE straight up to add 1 more player from a team, we would need to figure out who on our team we waive, or we would need to have an unbalanced trade to make roster space.

I don't think GS cares. I think OKC is resounded to one huge spike this season.

Out of the remaining 3, Denver's been discussed a lot. Moving Plumlee to us gets them all the way out of the tax, but leaves them without a backup C.
For us, he's an obvious upgrade over Leonard, but 13 million for our backup C, without factoring the added tax?

Washington is 11 million into the tax. Morris and Oubre combined would get them out of the tax. We'd need to waive 2 players though.

Toronto is 12.8 into the tax. CJ Miles at 8.3 could be a target, and give us solid bench production at the SF spot.

Houston could get there as well depending on what they do with Capela. PJ Tucker would be my target