Trade Boone before his value drops

[cpawfan]

The Nets have 4 young bigs with more talent and skill than Boone in Yi, Williams, Lopez and Anderson

The Nets have 1 young big with better size for the Center position than Boone in Lopez

The Nets have 1 young RFA Center with more talent and skill and better size for the Center position in Krstic

The Nets have just signed a hustle guy that makes Boone look like he doesn't care

If Boone isn't traded now, his trade value will go down as his MPG drop

 

[yinets1860]

That 's a problem,we want to trade Boone and get a good palyer.

 

[Real]

I wonder if Denver would be interested in Josh Boone, and maybe we could swing him in a package for Camby.

 

[cpawfan]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Real @ Jul 11 2008, 11:54 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I wonder if Denver would be interested in Josh Boone, and maybe we could swing him in a package for Camby.</div>

A big man with a history of injuries. Sounds like a perfect fit

 

[Real]

They wouldn't do this deal, even if we threw in a first rounder, but still...

This Trade Succeeded! Go back to adjust your trade or start over.
New Jersey Nets

Incoming Players
Marcus Camby
Salary: $10,000,000 Years Remaining: 2


Outgoing Players: Josh Boone, Marcus Williams, Stromile SwiftDenver Nuggets

Incoming Players
Josh Boone
Salary: $1,212,120 Years Remaining: 1

Marcus Williams
Salary: $1,262,520 Years Remaining: 1

Stromile Swift
Salary: $6,200,000 Years Remaining: 1


Outgoing Players: Marcus Camby

 

[Deeznets]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (cpawfan @ Jul 11 2008, 10:42 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>The Nets have 4 young bigs with more talent and skill than Boone in Yi, Williams, Lopez and Anderson

The Nets have 1 young big with better size for the Center position than Boone in Lopez

The Nets have 1 young RFA Center with more talent and skill and better size for the Center position in Krstic

The Nets have just signed a hustle guy that makes Boone look like he doesn't care

If Boone isn't traded now, his trade value will go down as his MPG drop</div>


I completely agree.


Boone has never really impressed me in the first place, and judging from what I've seen in his short career so far, his skills are so limited offensively, that I don't really see him improving much. I don't think he will get too much better if at all, and like you said, we have better bigs.

Lopez, Williams, Yi, and Najera are more then adequate to fill our PF needs. Give Brook the PT that Boone got last year and I think he'd be considerably better then Boone by the All-Star break.

 

[Dumpy]

First of all, I've long been convinced that Krstic is not going to be resigned. I could be wrong, however. Regardless, why trade Boone instead of Sean? Sean may have tremendous value to those teams that prefer athleticism over performance. I'm still not convinced that he'll amount to anything.

 

[Real]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Dumpy @ Jul 11 2008, 11:01 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>First of all, I've long been convinced that Krstic is not going to be resigned. I could be wrong, however. Regardless, why trade Boone instead of Sean? Sean may have tremendous value to those teams that prefer athleticism over performance. I'm still not convinced that he'll amount to anything.</div>

You can't trade Sean Williams right now. Sean's ceiling is so much higher than Josh Boone's it's not even close.

 

[GMJ]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Dumpy @ Jul 12 2008, 12:01 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>First of all, I've long been convinced that Krstic is not going to be resigned. I could be wrong, however. Regardless, why trade Boone instead of Sean? Sean may have tremendous value to those teams that prefer athleticism over performance. I'm still not convinced that he'll amount to anything.</div>

Sean's a bit more than just an athlete. The kid performed in his rookie year. There are plenty of athletes that never amount to anything, but I bet you'd be hard pressed to find a single one who blocked 8 shots in one game, or scored 22/8 his first start in the league. I'm excited to see what more he can do in his second.

 

[Dumpy]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Real @ Jul 11 2008, 11:04 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Dumpy @ Jul 11 2008, 11:01 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>First of all, I've long been convinced that Krstic is not going to be resigned. I could be wrong, however. Regardless, why trade Boone instead of Sean? Sean may have tremendous value to those teams that prefer athleticism over performance. I'm still not convinced that he'll amount to anything.</div>

You can't trade Sean Williams right now. Sean's ceiling is so much higher than Josh Boone's it's not even close.
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yes, that's why I'd trade him.

 

[cpawfan]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Dumpy @ Jul 12 2008, 12:01 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>First of all, I've long been convinced that Krstic is not going to be resigned. I could be wrong, however. Regardless, why trade Boone instead of Sean? Sean may have tremendous value to those teams that prefer athleticism over performance. I'm still not convinced that he'll amount to anything.</div>

Even if Krstic isn't resigned, Boone's value is extremely limited and there is nothing he contributes that isn't done better by others on the roster.

Boone's peaked. That is why you trade him.

 

[Real]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Dumpy @ Jul 11 2008, 11:06 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Real @ Jul 11 2008, 11:04 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Dumpy @ Jul 11 2008, 11:01 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>First of all, I've long been convinced that Krstic is not going to be resigned. I could be wrong, however. Regardless, why trade Boone instead of Sean? Sean may have tremendous value to those teams that prefer athleticism over performance. I'm still not convinced that he'll amount to anything.</div>

You can't trade Sean Williams right now. Sean's ceiling is so much higher than Josh Boone's it's not even close.
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yes, that's why I'd trade him.
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Why now? I don't see his value going down.

 

[nets1]

i kinda agree with dumpy in a way. I really don't want to trade any of the williams. Boone i have no problem with parting with.

I am a bit disappointed though with Sean's performance in the summer league. Yes he did a great job on Beasley, but remember it was Beaselys first back to back. Also i was very disappointed in Sean's foul trouble in 4 out of the 5 games only averaging like 20 some minutes cause of his fouling. I was hoping he would have made more strides from last year, and the summer league against rookies, d leaguers, and some a few 2nd year players. I wasn't impressed with his overall game. Sometimes athleticism does not translate into basketball iq. I'm afraid Sean may, not convinced, but may turn out to be another Swift type of player. Only having his brain holding him back. I hope again i'm wrong here, but his improvement judging by the summer league was a bit disappointing, and he had plenty of opportunity to prove me wrong.

 

[Real]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (nets1 @ Jul 11 2008, 11:14 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>i kinda agree with dumpy in a way. I really don't want to trade any of the williams. Boone i have no problem with parting with.

I am a bit disappointed though with Sean's performance in the summer league. Yes he did a great job on Beasley, but remember it was Beaselys first back to back. Also i was very disappointed in Sean's foul trouble in 4 out of the 5 games only averaging like 20 some minutes cause of his fouling. I was hoping he would have made more strides from last year, and the summer league against rookies, d leaguers, and some a few 2nd year players. I wasn't impressed with his overall game. Sometimes athleticism does not translate into basketball iq. I'm afraid Sean may, not convinced, but may turn out to be another Swift type of player. Only having his brain holding him back. I hope again i'm wrong here, but his improvement judging by the summer league was a bit disappointing, and he had plenty of opportunity to prove me wrong.</div>

Point taken.

At the same time, if we trade him now after his rookie season, and he someday develops into the player I think he can be and many here think he can be for another team, it will go down as one of the biggest blunders made by this franchise in its' history, and that's saying something.

 

[KingofNewark]

Of all the bigs I have to agree with Cpawfan that Boone is the most favorable trade asset. He had a solid season last year and his value will never be higher because next season he has to compete with SWill, Lopez, Anderson, Najera, Yi , Swift and Krstic for minutes. Somebody has to go and Boone has good value right now it'll only get lower as time passes by.

 

[Dumpy]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (nets1 @ Jul 11 2008, 11:14 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>i kinda agree with dumpy in a way. I really don't want to trade any of the williams. Boone i have no problem with parting with.

I am a bit disappointed though with Sean's performance in the summer league. Yes he did a great job on Beasley, but remember it was Beaselys first back to back. Also i was very disappointed in Sean's foul trouble in 4 out of the 5 games only averaging like 20 some minutes cause of his fouling. I was hoping he would have made more strides from last year, and the summer league against rookies, d leaguers, and some a few 2nd year players. I wasn't impressed with his overall game. Sometimes athleticism does not translate into basketball iq. I'm afraid Sean may, not convinced, but may turn out to be another Swift type of player. Only having his brain holding him back. I hope again i'm wrong here, but his improvement judging by the summer league was a bit disappointing, and he had plenty of opportunity to prove me wrong.</div>

a couple of times today, Barrise yelled at Sean that he was on the wrong side of the court. He also showed off those two great moves of his: the "fadeaway" jumper where he leaps backwards about eight feet and then lets one fly, and the awkward jump hook. He was 3-of-9 overall. I'd argue that there's just a 25% chance or so that he ever improves from where he is now.

Boone is what he is, and knows it. That last bit is important. He just has to stop berating himself for screwing up while the ball is still in play.

 

[Universe]

Package him and Marcus for a young gun maybe?

Martell Webster
Corey Brewer
Nick Young
Julian Wright
Morris Almond

 

[Dumpy]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Real @ Jul 11 2008, 11:18 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (nets1 @ Jul 11 2008, 11:14 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>i kinda agree with dumpy in a way. I really don't want to trade any of the williams. Boone i have no problem with parting with.

I am a bit disappointed though with Sean's performance in the summer league. Yes he did a great job on Beasley, but remember it was Beaselys first back to back. Also i was very disappointed in Sean's foul trouble in 4 out of the 5 games only averaging like 20 some minutes cause of his fouling. I was hoping he would have made more strides from last year, and the summer league against rookies, d leaguers, and some a few 2nd year players. I wasn't impressed with his overall game. Sometimes athleticism does not translate into basketball iq. I'm afraid Sean may, not convinced, but may turn out to be another Swift type of player. Only having his brain holding him back. I hope again i'm wrong here, but his improvement judging by the summer league was a bit disappointing, and he had plenty of opportunity to prove me wrong.</div>

Point taken.

At the same time, if we trade him now after his rookie season, and he someday develops into the player I think he can be and many here think he can be for another team, it will go down as one of the biggest blunders made by this franchise in its' history, and that's saying something.
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I guess it depends what you can get for him.

 

[nets1]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Real @ Jul 11 2008, 11:18 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (nets1 @ Jul 11 2008, 11:14 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>i kinda agree with dumpy in a way. I really don't want to trade any of the williams. Boone i have no problem with parting with.

I am a bit disappointed though with Sean's performance in the summer league. Yes he did a great job on Beasley, but remember it was Beaselys first back to back. Also i was very disappointed in Sean's foul trouble in 4 out of the 5 games only averaging like 20 some minutes cause of his fouling. I was hoping he would have made more strides from last year, and the summer league against rookies, d leaguers, and some a few 2nd year players. I wasn't impressed with his overall game. Sometimes athleticism does not translate into basketball iq. I'm afraid Sean may, not convinced, but may turn out to be another Swift type of player. Only having his brain holding him back. I hope again i'm wrong here, but his improvement judging by the summer league was a bit disappointing, and he had plenty of opportunity to prove me wrong.</div>

Point taken.

At the same time, if we trade him now after his rookie season, and he someday develops into the player I think he can be and many here think he can be for another team, it will go down as one of the biggest blunders made by this franchise in its' history, and that's saying something.
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I agree, and thats why i don't want to trade sean, but have no problem with boone. Still i was a bit disappointed in the summer league. Remember Sean in the rookie game. I guess maybe i was expecting more. He put on weight, works out almost every day, and is even more athletic than last year. But what scares me is the reports that he looks lost on offense, and on defense he still getting into way too many fouls. Does he have ADD or something??

But no i wouldn't trade him until his third year or so, give him this year and maybe another becasue of his athletic ability. Still am disappointed in him so far.

oh yeah, go nets!!

 

[Real]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Dumpy @ Jul 11 2008, 11:24 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Real @ Jul 11 2008, 11:18 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (nets1 @ Jul 11 2008, 11:14 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>i kinda agree with dumpy in a way. I really don't want to trade any of the williams. Boone i have no problem with parting with.

I am a bit disappointed though with Sean's performance in the summer league. Yes he did a great job on Beasley, but remember it was Beaselys first back to back. Also i was very disappointed in Sean's foul trouble in 4 out of the 5 games only averaging like 20 some minutes cause of his fouling. I was hoping he would have made more strides from last year, and the summer league against rookies, d leaguers, and some a few 2nd year players. I wasn't impressed with his overall game. Sometimes athleticism does not translate into basketball iq. I'm afraid Sean may, not convinced, but may turn out to be another Swift type of player. Only having his brain holding him back. I hope again i'm wrong here, but his improvement judging by the summer league was a bit disappointing, and he had plenty of opportunity to prove me wrong.</div>

Point taken.

At the same time, if we trade him now after his rookie season, and he someday develops into the player I think he can be and many here think he can be for another team, it will go down as one of the biggest blunders made by this franchise in its' history, and that's saying something.
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I guess it depends what you can get for him.
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I don't see what we could get back for him at this point that could assure us getting the better of the deal long-term.

 

[GMJ]

We should capitalize on his value, and at the same time consolidate players and resources. I'd be interested in moving...

Boone, Swift, Marcus, Hassel totaling around 12 million. Hm, not the best group of assets. KVH is at 4 million I believe.

Maybe Boone and Marcus to Indiana for Danny Granger? Indiana lost JO, and Boone is more of a definitive producer than Hibbert. At least you start negotiating from this.

They traded Love for Mayo, so there's a position for Boone to have an impact in Memphis. Boone for Lowry?

He's off the books in 2010, but why wouldn't you want to retain him? This trade makes way too much sense: Boone, Marcus, Swift (expiring) for Foye, and Twin.

 

[FOMW]

Of the two, I'd prefer to trade Sean. Boone is a "true" big that can guard either the 4 or 5, is a more intelligent player with much better passing skills and understanding of the game, and his (Boone's) athleticism is a little underrated. He's proved very adequate, and is still improving, as a big that can roll to the hoop, catch, and finish, and he does a very nice job of tracking the ball off drives and timing his offensive tip ins. He had a number of standout individual defensive efforts last year against the likes of Dwight Howard (though he's far from a finished defensive product). His injury problems hampered his starts in each of his first two seasons, but with two seasons under his belt and a presumably clean bill of health heading into next year, I think he's poised to make great improvements.

Sean has no real position, will likely never have the skills to be an effective 3, and will struggle in the post against stronger, bigger 4s. These deficits would be okay if he had standout basketball intelligence or motor, but he has neither. Summer league only seems to be reinforcing how gentle his curve of improvement has been since he entered the league (one great defensive effort against a rookie doesn't change that). He will take your breath away with a block or a dunk once or twice a game, and I realize that kind of inspirational play has value for a team. But he doesn't fit the mold they appear to be using for this team now. And I think he would bring more value in a trade than he is likely ever to impart as a player under Frank.

I'm not against trading Boone for the right piece, like a quality, defensive-minded PG, and it's true that his value is likely to dip after this year because of all the bigs. But if two of Sean, Boone, and Krstic are going to stay, I'd prefer them to be Krstic and Boone.

 

[Petey]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (GMJigga @ Jul 11 2008, 11:26 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>We should capitalize on his value, and at the same time consolidate players and resources. I'd be interested in moving...

Boone, Swift, Marcus, Hassel totaling around 12 million. Hm, not the best group of assets. KVH is at 4 million I believe.

Maybe Boone and Marcus to Indiana for Danny Granger? Indiana lost JO, and Boone is more of a definitive producer than Hibbert. At least you start negotiating from this.

They traded Love for Mayo, so there's a position for Boone to have an impact in Memphis. Boone for Lowry?

He's off the books in 2010, but why wouldn't you want to retain him? This trade makes way too much sense: Boone, Marcus, Swift (expiring) for Foye, and Twin.</div>

The Pacers won't accept that for Granger. The Nets would have a really hard time matching up with them for Granger, unless they were to consider bundling Harris as part of a package.

-Petey

 

[nets1]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (FOMW @ Jul 11 2008, 11:33 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Of the two, I'd prefer to trade Sean. Boone is a "true" big that can guard either the 4 or 5, is a more intelligent player with much better passing skills and understanding of the game, and his (Boone's) athleticism is a little underrated. He's proved very adequate, and is still improving, as a big that can roll to the hoop, catch, and finish, and he does a very nice job of tracking the ball off drives and timing his offensive tip ins. He had a number of standout individual defensive efforts last year against the likes of Dwight Howard (though he's far from a finished defensive product). His injury problems hampered his starts in each of his first two seasons, but with two seasons under his belt and a presumably clean bill of health heading into next year, I think he's poised to make great improvements.

Sean has no real position, will likely never have the skills to be an effective 3, and will struggle in the post against stronger, bigger 4s. These deficits would be okay if he had standout basketball intelligence or motor, but he has neither. Summer league only seems to be reinforcing how gentle his curve of improvement has been since he entered the league (one great defensive effort against a rookie doesn't change that). He will take your breath away with a block or a dunk once or twice a game, and I realize that kind of inspirational play has value for a team. But he doesn't fit the mold they appear to be using for this team now. And I think he would bring more value in a trade than he is likely ever to impart as a player under Frank.

I'm not against trading Boone for the right piece, like a quality, defensive-minded PG, and it's true that his value is likely to dip after this year because of all the bigs. But if two of Sean, Boone, and Krstic are going to stay, I'd prefer them to be Krstic and Boone.</div>

You bring up alot of good points about boone, but his foul shooting just drives me crazy! You know if he was shooting 88% from the line he would be almost a 20 point scorer.

 

[Chutney]

This talk of trading Sean after while his value is high reminds me of the when the Raptors traded Villanueva after his rookie season. Its a gamble no matter how well you think you've assessed a prospect. One year is just so little time.

Ultimately its a matter of fit. If you can envision Sean developing into a consistent and important role on this team, then you should take the chance yourself rather than ship him out.

 

[User01]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (GMJigga @ Jul 11 2008, 11:26 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>We should capitalize on his value, and at the same time consolidate players and resources. I'd be interested in moving...

Boone, Swift, Marcus, Hassel totaling around 12 million. Hm, not the best group of assets. KVH is at 4 million I believe.

Maybe Boone and Marcus to Indiana for Danny Granger? Indiana lost JO, and Boone is more of a definitive producer than Hibbert. At least you start negotiating from this.

They traded Love for Mayo, so there's a position for Boone to have an impact in Memphis. Boone for Lowry?

He's off the books in 2010, but why wouldn't you want to retain him? This trade makes way too much sense: Boone, Marcus, Swift (expiring) for Foye, and Twin.</div>

...how do you go from Boone+Marcus for Granger to Boone for Lowry?

anyway, I'd like to keep Boone around, unless we could get something nice for him. He seems like the guy who will bring all of the intangibles that Collins brought, and all of the skills on court, but with the ability to average a double-double. He won't be the sexy pick, but he is a great fit next to a top scoring big. Like what Perkins did for the Celtics, although I believe he will be better. Also, at this point, he is really the only Net big man who has little downside. It's obvious that he could be a solid starter. Who knows if Yi, Brook, or SWat can bring it every night.

Boone is also fundamentally sound already, and he could develop a few moves in the post, I truly believe. He seems like the guy we wanted in this draft, athleticism may not jump out of you, but you can just tell he knows how to play the game.

 

[Basileus777]

Boone was our best big last year. There is no reason to trade him when we don't have any other proven playoffs upfront. Even if Lopez and Sean meet expectations Boone would still have a place on this team. At the very least Boone is cheap and effective depth for the next few years.

 

[cpawfan]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Basileus777 @ Jul 12 2008, 01:16 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Boone was our best big last year. There is no reason to trade him when we don't have any other proven playoffs upfront. Even if Lopez and Sean meet expectations Boone would still have a place on this team. At the very least Boone is cheap and effective depth for the next few years.</div>

Being the best big on the Nets last season is lot like being a tall Frenchman that Vince didn't dunk on in the Olympics. It is a useless designation.

Yes Boone could provide cheap depth, but this about asset management. His value isn't likely to get better.

 

[Basileus777]

Boone has more value to us than we are likely to get in return for trading him. What are teams really going to give up for him?

 

[LetsGoNets]

I agree that if we are to trade any of our bigs, it should be Boone. A lot of you guys are giving Sean too little credit. His ceiling is definitely higher than Boone's.

Remember Sean started to play basketball in the later years of his High School, he doesn't have as much experience as any of the players that we have ever drafted. Yet he still played very well during his rookie season.

Comparing Sean's rookie season with Boone's rookie season, I think Sean's is definitely a lot better. It's too early to give up on Sean, he's only been in the league for one year, and from what I saw in the summer league his offensive game did improve compare to last year.