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blazerkor said:
Nah, I think if the second rounders that come back from a Josh and Nurk for KLove deal make other more important deals happen then it's palatable. The fact is Nurk is a really bad fit with what Chauncey is trying to do defensively and he's Nurk offensively, so his bad contract being three years longer than the third of a season that we'd spend with KLove's makes Nurk's contract worse than Love's.

Let's say that we have a big trade that would still be available after this for a superstar and it needs FRPs but Chicago is being stubborn and wants two SRPs to take the protectionist off of the pick we owe them, while simultaneously Vanderbilt can be had for Justise and three seconds... in a vacuum, I don't know that I would trade Hart and Nurk for Love and some seconds but I don't hate love off of the bench in Chauncey's system, I don't even hate the idea of him starting. I also don't hate the idea of us getting Nurk out of here. For me it would have to be like 4 second round picks and we would have to need them to do something bigger for the trade to make sense.

Also that trade puts us into the luxury tax before we even address that it puts us a player below the roster minimum so it would never happen by itself, it would have to be a trade that was made in order to allow other things to happen.
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There is no nibbling around the edges that will let this team transform with a big trade. There just isn't.

Second rounders and getting under the luxury cap won't plug the holes left by losing starters AND get this roster out of mediocrity. Banking on Portland being able to move first rounders in efforts to make that happen seems like hoping for gasoline to be tossed on a slowly burning building.

It's great to be optimistic, but the "making bad deals is fine because Cronin says he's still going to make more moves" logic holds no water in my opinion.
 
LayneStaley said:
Kevin Love didn’t look to spry when we played the Cavs.
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He is getting paid 29 million dollars this year and is averaging 11 points per game and plays 0 defense.

I'm convinced you guys have no understanding of the game whatsoever if you want this guy. Like this is an actual discussion in this thread that 35 yr old Kevin Love is an actual target? For fucks sake...
 
illmatic99 said:
He is getting paid 29 million dollars this year and is averaging 11 points per game and playd 0 defense.

I'm convinced you guys have no understanding of the game whatsoever if you want this guy.
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Especially as our starting C. I like him as a minimum contract signing next season, to maybe play 6 minutes a night, and "bring him home" sort of feel good vibe.

Unless we want to torture ourselves with another cap space plan! And dumping Nurk for his expiring helps give us that Charlie Brown football of cap space.
 
Ed O said:
There is no nibbling around the edges that will let this team transform with a big trade. There just isn't.

Second rounders and getting under the luxury cap won't plug the holes left by losing starters AND get this roster out of mediocrity. Banking on Portland being able to move first rounders in efforts to make that happen seems like hoping for gasoline to be tossed on a slowly burning building.

It's great to be optimistic, but the "making bad deals is fine because Cronin says he's still going to make more moves" logic holds no water in my opinion.
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I said specifically if this trade allows us to both get Vanderbilt (which I would see as "nibbling around the edges") and free up three future FRPs and three other FRP swaps (those would in theory be used to do more than nibble around the edges).
 
RR7 said:
Especially as our starting C. I like him as a minimum contract signing next season, to maybe play 6 minutes a night, and "bring him home" sort of feel good vibe.

Unless we want to torture ourselves with another cap space plan! And dumping Nurk for his expiring helps give us that Charlie Brown football of cap space.
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What capspace? We'd be close to the tax line without Nurk (with Jerami back)
 
illmatic99 said:
What capspace? We'd be close to the tax line without Nurk
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The cap next season is expected to be around 134. If Hart opts out, we dump Nurk, and waive cap holds, we could likely get to about 30 million in cap space.
 
illmatic99 said:
He is getting paid 29 million dollars this year and is averaging 11 points per game and plays 0 defense.

I'm convinced you guys have no understanding of the game whatsoever if you want this guy. Like this is an actual discussion in this thread that 35 yr old Kevin Love is an actual target? For fucks sake...
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If half a season of Love riding the bench gets us out of 3 years of wasted cap on Nurk then what’s the problem? You act like we are a piece away from contention. No one thinks love is good just like no one wants Nurk anymore, it’s the lesser of two evils for 30ish games instead of the 3 more seasons. Pretty simple math really.
 
RR7 said:
The cap next season is expected to be around 134. If Hart opts out, we dump Nurk, and waive cap holds, we could likely get to about 30 million in cap space.
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You're also letting Jerami go in this scenario?
 
Rastapopoulos said:
Let's all remember that Danny Ainge traded a pick that turned into Brandon Roy for Sebastian Telfair. Ainge isn't some GM god.
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And then one year later, traded for KG and Ray Allen without giving up Pierce. He’s a GM god.
 
LayneStaley said:
If half a season of Love riding the bench gets us out of 3 years of wasted cap on Nurk then what’s the problem? You act like we are a piece away from contention. No one thinks love is good just like no one wants Nurk anymore, it’s the lesser of two evils for 30ish games instead of the 3 more seasons. Pretty simple math really.
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Yes lets dump Nurk while his value is at his lowest. This seems to be Cronins modus operandi. Selling low.

Where have you read any single post of mine thinking we are one piece away?
 
illmatic99 said:
He is getting paid 29 million dollars this year and is averaging 11 points per game and plays 0 defense.

I'm convinced you guys have no understanding of the game whatsoever if you want this guy. Like this is an actual discussion in this thread that 35 yr old Kevin Love is an actual target? For fucks sake...
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KLove was 6th MOTY candidate last year. He has value as shooter/rebounder off bench.
 
illmatic99 said:
Yes lets dump Nurk while his value is at his lowest. This seems to be Cronins modus operandi. Selling low.
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You make the assumption that Nurk's value will get higher. It might, but maybe, just maybe, being an often injured slow center in a league that is moving away from slow centers is as high as it gets... especially if he continues to play for a coach that will not play for his strength...
 
illmatic99 said:
Yes lets dump Nurk while his value is at his lowest. This seems to be Cronins modus operandi. Selling low.

Where have you read any single post of mine thinking we are one piece away?
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Nurks “value” has been the same for a long time now, jack shit. I’m not sure why you believe he’s gonna morph into something different than an outdated slow inconsistent lazy lumbering 7 footer who plays small but he’s not. Stop being fooled by the occasional flash he provides, the Beast era ended 2 1/2 seasons ago. Time to cut losses not compound them by wasting a roster spot on a guy till we can hopefully find some magical trade that brings back anything of significance. I’ll take the cap space and the roster spot for next season in a heartbeat.
 
andalusian said:
You make the assumption that Nurk's value will get higher. It might, but maybe, just maybe, being an often injured slow center in a league that is moving away from slow centers is as high as it gets... especially if he continues to play for a coach that will not play for his strength...
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I asked earlier in this thread. What is the current market for Nurk? After this summer's extensions, there will be approx 20-25 starting centers who will be paid more than him. Myles Turner just got an extension getting paid double what Nurk is.

The idea that Nurk is overpaid is a farce to begin with. His per year value will be only a few mil more than the new MLE.

This in and of itself will increase his trade value without even getting to the on court stuff.
 
LayneStaley said:
Nurks “value” has been the same for a long time now, jack shit. I’m not sure why you believe he’s gonna morph into something different than an outdated slow inconsistent lazy lumbering 7 footer who plays small but he’s not. Stop being fooled by the occasional flash he provides, the Beast era ended 2 1/2 seasons ago. Time to cut losses not compound them by wasting a roster spot on a guy till we can hopefully find some magical trade that brings back anything of significance. I’ll take the cap space and the roster spot for next season in a heartbeat.
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Again. Indulge me.

What capsapce? You are waiving all our capholds and Hart and Grant?
 
illmatic99 said:
Again. Indulge me.

What capsapce? You are waiving all our capholds and Hart and Grant?
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Hart is gone buddy, Grant already turned down a max. So this covers our ass if they are both gone. I’d rather have the 30 mil than Nurk in that situation. Oh and here’s another fact that somehow is lost on you, Nurk fucking sucks.
 
LayneStaley said:
Hart is gone buddy, Grant already turned down a max. So this covers our ass if they are both gone. I’d rather have the 30 mil than Nurk in that situation. Oh and here’s another fact that somehow is lost on you, Nurk fucking sucks.
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@RR7

I dont even know where to start here...
 
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illmatic99 said:
I asked earlier in this thread. What is the current market for Nurk? After this summer's extensions, there will be approx 20-25 starting centers who will be paid more than him. Myles Turner just got an extension getting paid double what Nurk is.

The idea that Nurk is overpaid is a farce to begin with. His per year value will be only a few mil more than the new MLE.

This in and of itself will increase his trade value without even getting to the on court stuff.
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First, I did not talk about his contract in this thread, I have said before that I think he is a little overpaid for his production, but that it was a reasonable thing to do given the roster Cronin had to work with and it was better to overpay a little than lose him for nothing.


But the rest of you argument, I am sorry, makes no sense. His contract which already exists and is known can't be something that will increase his attractiveness without external circumstances. His contract is not going to change if he is traded this deadline or the summer or a year from now.

So, I am going to get back to the idea that his trade value is lowest at this point. It might be, but it might be the highest it is as well, especially since he is going to be playing in a system that is not tailored to his strengths.

The fact of the matter is that he is not a good fit for this system - so if there is a chance to flip him for someone that fits the system, that's a good idea - since his value is not clearly at it's nadir and is not clearly going to change dramatically if the team waits. Let's face it, we know who Nurk is and what he can do. The changes he made (like the 3P shooting) are on the edges - he is not going to magically become a lightweight, quick, perimeter chasing defender nor is he likely to become a great post scorer.
 
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