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Kind of a selective cut there. That part of my post was meant to be sarcastic. I apologize if I wasn't clear about that; I thought the context of the entire post would have made it understandable.

The point is that the Blazers would ALREADY have traded future first rounders for Anunoby and might not have them to even use to try to get out of the lottery.



That just seems like a monumental reach/rationalization. Shaedon's not a twig like a lot of guys right out of college. He's got a great frame that reminds me of Vince Carter's. There's no reason to believe he's going to get injured just because he goes high on dunks, and one also can presume that as other parts of his game round out, he probably will be turning to other things in place of just dunking on people.

I still find the fear of injury because he jumps really high a strange one considering there are myriad examples of players that did and had long careers.



I think you're guilty of your own comment about people falling in love with certain players. OG Anunoby isn't a special player. He's not an all-star. He hasn't shot .460 from the field in three years. He's never averaged more than 5.5 rebounds per game and he's averaged more than 35 minutes each of the last two years -- Nance was averaging more than that when he was a Blazer in 13 fewer minutes per game and RoCo averaged more than that in 6 minutes per game less. Steal-wise, RoCo and Nance are better. Blocked shot-wise, RoCo and Nance are better.

If you like advanced stats -- I think they're overrated, but maybe you put stock in them -- those three guys are comparable in VORP and win shares. OG's PER actually is the lowest of the three.

Now, I don't know if you're trying to make the argument that giving up two mid first-rounders for RoCo was justified and giving up a mid-one for Nance was justified and we should give up multiple players/first-rounders for him, or you think that OG is that much better than those two -- which there is no basis, statistical or otherwise, to suggest -- and giving up a mid-lottery pick and multiple other picks is acceptable, but both arguments are sketchy. I presume you would start OG ahead of Hart, but this year's Hart statistically blows Anunoby out of the water in terms of most statistical measures except PPG, 3-point%, and blocks. Most importantly, Hart rebounds and Anunoby doesn't ... OG's a poor man's Jerami Grant at best.

Making that deal is great if you want to remain in neutral for a decade, unless you get OG for a significantly lower asking price than the Raptors are reportedly seeking. Trading a player with Sharpe's potential for a role-player? I wouldn't even consider that as a joke.
Good response.
I think we are on the same page on wanting to help the team but I’m going to agree to disagree on this about OG and the Dame timeline.
I’d like to give him a chance and I feel he deserves that. Two good players and this team could compete IMO.
 
Go ahead. I'll post those that haven't. Starting with Michael Jordan, Dominique Wilkins, Kobe Bryant, Julius Irving, David Thompson, LeBron, etc. in addition to Carter. Zach LaVine seems to still be playing well. Aaron Gordon still seems to be doing well.

I mean, this is just a bizarre take, because there are so many examples of elite leapers who has long, successful careers and Sharpe doesn't have a frame/build that makes one question durability nor does he have an injury history.

You literally could be walking down the street and get hit by a falling Chinese weather balloon, but I don't think the risk is so high that every time you walk outside you should look up constantly to avoid it.
All of those players outside of Jordan dealt with injuries from dunking.
It’s not a stretch to think he will tone it down a bit.
Again I’m in total speculation here I agree. Just also do not see comparing Sharpe to Jordan or Kobe just yet?
Wish him all the best and it would be awesome if he becomes that.
 
If I was indy, I'd offer up one of the 2 late firsts I have for him. Another solid young player to go with their core


Yeah, someone is going to have a better offer for Vanderbilt and for OG than the Blazers. I really hope the Blazers get something done and don't get left in the dust.
 
Suns are going to get him.
who sends the best offer will get him

although vanderbilt himself wouldnt change much really, he has better size than hart and is probably a better defender, so our front court should be better defensively, but offensively hes not an upgrade over hart (hes not downgrade either), but we would still need a scorer off the bench, only then vanderbilt acquisition would make a lot of sense... but if anyone thinks that vanderbilt himself will improve the team, theyre delusional
 
who sends the best offer will get him

although vanderbilt himself wouldnt change much really, he has better size than hart and is probably a better defender, so our front court should be better defensively, but offensively hes not an upgrade over hart (hes not downgrade either), but we would still need a scorer off the bench, only then vanderbilt acquisition would make a lot of sense... but if anyone thinks that vanderbilt himself will improve the team, theyre delusional

He wouldn't be replacing Hart. He'd probably be replacing Winslow. And he's probably be the first big off the bench for a while
 
Good response.
I think we are on the same page on wanting to help the team but I’m going to agree to disagree on this about OG and the Dame timeline.
I’d like to give him a chance and I feel he deserves that. Two good players and this team could compete IMO.

That's fair.

The only thing I'd add is we've misjudged Dame's timeline before. I don't think OG makes us a contender now. I think continuing to add better assets instead of present assets puts us in a better position to contend while Dame still is a quality player in Portland. Right now, I see no reason to believe that won't remain the case for several years.
 
He wouldn't be replacing Hart. He'd probably be replacing Winslow. And he's probably be the first big off the bench for a while
im not sure vanderbilt off the bench makes sense, we need as much cover as possible for dame & ant

be as it may, vanderbilt without a scorer makes a little to no sense
 
im not sure vanderbilt off the bench makes sense, we need as much cover as possible for dame & ant

be as it may, vanderbilt without a scorer makes a little to no sense

while Nurkic is out, I'd think Eubanks is the starter. Maybe Billups would start Vanderbilt but I'd be surprised
 
while Nurkic is out, I'd think Eubanks is the starter. Maybe Billups would start Vanderbilt but I'd be surprised
nurk is out for six more games

its obvious that scoring off the bench is a big problem and it needs to be adressed, moreso than adding a defensive player

perhaps we wouldnt need another scorer if ant gets moved to the bench, but that wont happen... but that would leave us with hart, vanderbilt & nurk (3-pointer is improving, but i wouldnt call him a stretch five just yet), three non-shooters in the starting line-up, which is terrible
 
nurk is out for six more games

its obvious that scoring off the bench is a big problem and it needs to be adressed, moreso than adding a defensive player

perhaps we wouldnt need another scorer if ant gets moved to the bench, but that wont happen... but that would leave us with hart, vanderbilt & nurk (3-pointer is improving, but i wouldnt call him a stretch five just yet), three non-shooters in the starting line-up, which is terrible

I seriously doubt you'd see any lineups with Nurkic and Vanderbilt on the floor at the same time. Eubanks and Vanderbilt maybe

trading for Vanderbilt is a way to add some good bench length for defense and rebounding. If the trade is Winslow it's a way to convert an expiring contract for a discounted salary next season, maintaining a 4M+ trade chip
 
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its obvious that scoring off the bench is a big problem and it needs to be adressed, moreso than adding a defensive player

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I am not so sure it is really that obvious.
Look at the scoring for the month of January. Those are huge offensive numbers. Yes, it is primarily done by the starters, but the way Chauncey is staggering the starters, they are mixed in with the bench. So you always have 2 starters on the floor and one of them is Dame or Ant. I would argue that more defense is what is needed.
 
I am not so sure it is really that obvious.
Look at the scoring for the month of January. Those are huge offensive numbers. Yes, it is primarily done by the starters, but the way Chauncey is staggering the starters, they are mixed in with the bench. So you always have 2 starters on the floor and one of them is Dame or Ant. I would argue that more defense is what is needed.

And you would be correct.

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https://www.hoopsrumors.com/2023/02/fischers-latest-westbrook-jazz-nurkic-burks-reid-bigs.html

  • The Jazz have talked at least to the Hawks, Trail Blazers, and Knicks about trades centered around both Vanderbilt and Beasley as a package deal. Sources inform Fischer that Utah shooting guard Nickeil Alexander-Walker has also been floated in some of these conversations.

  • Fischer reports that injured Trail Blazers starting center Jusuf Nurkic can be had on the trade market, though his pricey long-term contract has cooled rival teams’ interest.

  • Timberwolves reserve center Naz Reid has rejected potential contract extensions, making him a possible trade candidate, per Fischer. Reid is hoping to earn something in the neighborhood of $10MM per year, Fischer says, a price Minnesota may be reluctant to pay after having already invested heavily in its starting frontcourt of Rudy Gobert and Karl-Anthony Towns.
  • Fischer adds that other reserve centers could very well be on the move, as his sources indicate that the Sixers, Clippers, Trail Blazers, Nuggets, Nets, Celtics, Raptors and Kings are all looking to improve that position.
 
If talks where very serious something would have happened by now.Angie is too good. other teams got involved and he’s using us for leverage.
Or vice versa. Maybe the offer from us was Justise and two seconds and now he either has other teams involved or is floating to the media that other teams are involved to get our third available second rounder those being the better of the Wolves or Hornets in 2024 and both ours and the Pelicans in 2027.
 
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