Trade Deadline: Feb 9 @ 3:00 p.m ET (1 Viewer)

[illmatic99]

First, I did not talk about his contract in this thread, I have said before that I think he is a little overpaid for his production, but that it was a reasonable thing to do given the roster Cronin had to work with and it was better to overpay a little than lose him for nothing.


But the rest of you argument, I am sorry, makes no sense. His contract which already exists and is known can't be something that will increase his attractiveness without external circumstances. His contract is not going to change if he is traded this deadline or the summer or a year from now.

So, I am going to get back to the idea that his trade value is lowest at this point. It might be, but it might be the highest it is as well, especially since he is going to be playing in a system that is not tailored to his strengths.

The fact of the matter is that he is not a good fit for this system - so if there is a chance to flip him for someone that fits the system, that's a good idea - since his value is not clearly at it's nadir and is not clearly going to change dramatically if the team waits.

Thank you for the thoughtful response. I have to call this out because this sort of thing has become unusual here.

I am saying that once the cap increases, his peers of similar impact start making more (Turner/Poeltl/etc), a three yr contract for 55 mil for Nurkic will become much more palatable in a trade this summer. I don't think this is an unreasonable thought.

This perception of value is always based on external factors because it's about what other teams will give up for him in a market of available centers. If others of similar on court impact make much more, then his value should inevitably increase, no?

 

[BoBoBREWSKI]

Because The HCP's role is to be an irritant. He's the Grayson Allen of S2.

 

[blazedanugz]

It’s really annoying watching all these grown men argue in a trade thread. Someone should make a “argue here” thread.

 

[andalusian]

I am saying that once the cap increases, his peers of similar impact start making more (Turner/Poeltl/etc), a three yr contract for 55 mil for Nurkic will become much more palatable in a trade this summer. I don't think this is an unreasonable thought.

This perception of value is always based on external factors because it's about what other teams will give up for him in a market of available centers. If others of similar on court impact make much more, then his value should inevitably increase, no?

You are making assumptions again that the situation will make his contract more appealing and certainly, if it is a shorter contract it would likely be more appealing simply because you are not stuck with him for a longer time - and if for some reason the 76ers win it all - having someone big that can bang with Embiid will make it more appealing, but just as likely it could be that he continues to play uninspired basketball, more mobile bigs are available (as always happens when newer younger players get into the league) and the league continues to emphasize perimeter play and spread floor.

So, the argument stays the same, I do not see anything obvious that happens that will obviously make him more appealing as a trade target if we keep him until the summer or the next summer. He is, for better or worse, a known commodity and the team's style of play, without a big coaching change, is not likely to change any-time soon. So, if the options are maximize the supporting cast for another fantastic Lillard season or try to maximize the trade value of Nurk, I would choose the first if a trade that helps the team play to Billups system is available.

 

[RR7]

It’s really annoying watching all these grown men argue in a trade thread. Someone should make a “argue here” thread.

That'd be a great place to talk trades, good idea!

 

[wizenheimer]

He is a good player and I do like him. But does he move the needle? Grant and RoCo were considered good defenders before they joined, but did they improve us defensively?

It's a sideways move so long as we persist with 2 x small guards in the backcourt, so I don't see the point until we address that elephant in the room.

no offense meant, but I'm going disagree with that 2-small-guards-makes-defense-bad narrative. I think it's about 67% bogus

No, it's isn't optimal. But the reality is that in consecutive years, the Blazers, with Dame & CJ starting, ranked 8th & 16th in defense. And CJ was only slightly better than Ant as a defender, maybe. And this was playing for Stotts, who supposedly couldn't coach defense

that's not to say that having a different set of starting guards wouldn't impact the defense; it would. If it was Dame and Marcus Smart or Dame and Jrue Holiday, the defense would be better. But there are bigger problems with the defense than just Ant or just Dame (who appears to be playing the best defense of his career this year, especially against size). How good would the defense be with Jaren Jackson and Grant at forwards? How good would the defense be with Grant and OG at forwards? or Grant and Mikal Bridges?

how good would the D be with a before-the-severe-broken-leg Nurkic? He's certainly not as mobile and not the rim protector he used to be (but sure, let's give him a 50% raise)

to be sure, Portland's biggest structural issue is lack of length and size, and Ant, at least, is part of that. Portland's 2nd best rebounder is a 6'4 SG masquerading as a SF who often guards PF's. That's the symbol of Portland's problems

 

[LayneStaley]

Thank you for the thoughtful response. I have to call this out because this sort of thing has become unusual here.

I am saying that once the cap increases, his peers of similar impact start making more (Turner/Poeltl/etc), a three yr contract for 55 mil for Nurkic will become much more palatable in a trade this summer. I don't think this is an unreasonable thought.

This perception of value is always based on external factors because it's about what other teams will give up for him in a market of available centers. If others of similar on court impact make much more, then his value should inevitably increase, no?

Problem is he sucks. He sucks at his current contract this season and he will suck at his current contract next season. So ur argument that getting a sucky player when all the better players make more money than him so he’s good value now but still sucks……well that argument kinda sucks. BTW the peers you mentioned are not peers they are superiors. Back to work, have a good one. Go Blazers.

 

[BoBoBREWSKI]

https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/35473714/2023-nba-trade-deadline-latest-buzz-news-reports

 

[illmatic99]

So, if the options are maximize the supporting cast for another fantastic Lillard season or try to maximize the trade value of Nurk, I would choose the first if a trade that helps the team play to Billups system is available.

This is obvious that we would all give him up for am upgrade or better fit. Still waiting for that proposal/idea to manifest in this thread.

And no, it's unequivocally NOT Kevin Love.

 

[Tince]

And people think Nurk is overpaid. Just blind hate at this point.

Just because Kevin Love it more overpaid than Nurk, doesn't mean Nurk isn't overpaid. Both can be true.

As you know, I don't hate Nurk like many, but there is no doubt the trade market for him and his contract is incredibly small due to the combination of his consistency and length?$amt of his deal.

 

[Tince]

It’s really annoying watching all these grown men argue in a trade thread. Someone should make a “argue here” thread.

I'm still growing.

 

[wizenheimer]

I don’t remember seeing people say Nurk is overpaid….not in todays game. I only read people saying he isn’t good.

I've said he's overpaid

no team, none-nada-zero, was going to 0ffer Nurk a 4-year/70M deal last summer. Not with his history of injuries and not with his history of inconsistency. He didn't have anywhere close to that kind of market.

but apparently I'm "delusional" and a "blind hater"

 

[TBpup]

Apparently siakam got called into Ujiris office during practice today.
Take that for what it’s worth

I don't imagine that is a 'normal', practice occurrence.

Would he do that just to assure him he wasn't being traded?

 

[Cugel]

he aint being traded here that is for certain.

 

[andalusian]

Heat dumped Dedmon on the Spurs and gave them a 2nd round pick for their trouble. I suspect this is a pre-cursor to something.

Given that they are rumored to be interested in Hart, it was worth mentioning. Also, Duncan Robinson has been ruled out for an upcoming game because of a finger.

Would not surprise me to see Hart + (Winslow)? for D-Robinson + pick consideration being a package that would work if the Blazers have other deals in the works.

 

[wizenheimer]

Heat dumped Dedmon on the Spurs and gave them a 2nd round pick for their trouble. I suspect this is a pre-cursor to something.

Given that they are rumored to be interested in Hart, it was worth mentioning.

creates a 4.7M TPE

but, Caleb Martin would be the only player on their roster I'd be interested in and salaries don't match

 

[noknobs]

I'm still growing.

Horizontally doesn't count.

 

[TBpup]

he aint being traded here that is for certain.

Quite right. Much more likely as the franchise player, he was being brought in to see what he thought of a potential trade. He would much rather play PF than C. The Spurs just added a center. Does Poeltl end up in Toronto? They have long been interested in getting a big since Valanciunas left.

 

[wizenheimer]

Horizontally doesn't count.

growing older counts...except at a certain age you can't count anymore

 

[PCmor7]

Because The HCP's role is to be an irritant. He's the Grayson Allen of S2.

As if Grayson Allen wasn't irritating enough, he looks too much like Ted Cruz.

 

[Hoopguru]

Because The HCP's role is to be an irritant. He's the Grayson Allen of S2.

That's the most insulting post I've seen on here. Thats something you don't tell someone face to face unless yore willing to get your ass kicked.

 

[TBpup]

Grayson Allen vs Jeremy Renner

 

[Hoopguru]

Grayson Allen vs Jeremy Renner

Stop it!

 

[TBpup]

Stop it!

Way more than Ted Cruz.

 

[Strenuus]

I don't expect the Blazers to make any trade and I'm fine with that.

Here's how the rest of the season goes:
1. No trades.
2. Dame gets injured.
3. Blazers end the season on a 0-10 run
4. Miss play-in (obvs)
5. Chauncey fired.
6. Win lottery
7. Draft Wemby!

Cool. Good to know you quit. See you next season.

 

[Cugel]

So what are your predictions??
I don't see Joe doing much:
I predict Hart for 2 SRPs and whatever filler to make salaries match.

 

[Rastapopoulos]

Cool. Good to know you quit. See you next season.

Perhaps you're laboring under the misapprehension that it's because of the fans' hard work that the teams do well. I hate to break it to you, but

 

[inconceivable]

So what are your predictions??
I don't see Joe doing much:
I predict Hart for 2 SRPs and whatever filler to make salaries match.

OG, Siakam, Vando. At least one will be a Blazer

 

[Fairly-Hard]

It’s really annoying watching all these grown men argue in a trade thread

WHaaaaT? Now we have to act our age? Bummer.

 

[craigehlo]