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Doesn't Mirotic's current contract situation give him an essential no-trade clause? He has veto power I believe.

Would he want to come here with all our other PFs?

If Chicago picks up his option he loses his no trade clause.

I don't believe it'll be an issue though. Mirotic would love Terry's offense. He'd be in an ideal spot to showcase his game, and get paid in 2019.
 
If Chicago picks up his option he loses his no trade clause.

I don't believe it'll be an issue though. Mirotic would love Terry's offense. He'd be in an ideal spot to showcase his game, and get paid in 2019.
And on the other side of the coin, do we want Mirotic here with all our other young PFs? Isn't that where Collins (our prized rookie prospect) projects?
 
And on the other side of the coin, do we want Mirotic here with all our other young PFs? Isn't that where Collins (our prized rookie prospect) projects?

I don't think the rotation would be affected much, as long as Aminu gets moved back to SF.
 
I'm not buying the Mirotic hype. He's on an incredible hot streak this year in his 17 games played, but no way is his 17/7 on nearly 47% shooting from 3 sustainable. He's a career 10/5 player on shit percentages who plays mediocre defense.

Give Collins a year and he'll be better than that and he can play on both ends of the floor. I'd rather target a wing who can develop into something instead.
 
I predict...
  • we'll make a trade.
  • the trade won't involve our 1st rounder.
  • It'll either be a value trade, or a cap trade.
  • Olshey will try to sell it as both.
I hope...
  • It's for a starter.
  • It's obvious to everyone (especially me) that the new player immediately becomes our 4th best player.
 
I'm not buying the Mirotic hype. He's on an incredible hot streak this year in his 17 games played, but no way is his 17/7 on nearly 47% shooting from 3 sustainable. He's a career 10/5 player on shit percentages who plays mediocre defense.

Give Collins a year and he'll be better than that and he can play on both ends of the floor. I'd rather target a wing who can develop into something instead.

Yea I think in the right deal Mirotic could bring a positive impact to our team but I think there is a chance there will be better players available for the price of a 1st rd pick.

I also think that it’s telling that reports were all his teammates took Portis side after Portis gave him the two piece chicken dinner.
 
Yea I think in the right deal Mirotic could bring a positive impact to our team but I think there is a chance there will be better players available for the price of a 1st rd pick.

I also think that it’s telling that reports were all his teammates took Portis side after Portis gave him the two piece chicken dinner.
Annnnd we'd have to pay him to keep him. No thank you.
 
Annnnd we'd have to pay him to keep him. No thank you.

Well yeah but that's not until 2019. Collins should be ready to start by then. It'd be a year and a half investment that'd only cost us Harkless and maybe a second or something. Long term it saves Portland money.

But if we're talking about giving up a first and paying someone, Jabari would be a much better investment.
 
Well yeah but that's not until 2019. Collins should be ready to start by then. It'd be a year and a half investment that'd only cost us Harkless and maybe a second or something. Long term it saves Portland money.

But if we're talking about giving up a first and paying someone, Jabari would be a much better investment.

Yea it all just depends on what the Bulls can get for him. If all it costs is a second rd pick and Harkless then pull the god damn trigger. But I have a feeling they will get a first from someone, probably the pistons.
 
Here are some low key wings that I'd much rather pursue:

- Kyle Anderson
- Kelly Oubre Jr
- Bojan Bogdanovic
- Taurean Prince
- Josh Richardson
- Tyreke Evans
- Rodney Hood
- Caris LeVert
- Mario Hezonja

And Fournier/Barnes as some more expensive options.
 
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Yea it all just depends on what the Bulls can get for him. If all it costs is a second rd pick and Harkless then pull the god damn trigger. But I have a feeling they will get a first from someone, probably the pistons.

Hey if the Bulls get a first for Mirotic, good for them, they'd be big time winners.
 
Regarding Utah and Detroit; I can't see either team offering expiring contracts (Detroit doesn't really even have one) PLUS a first rounder for Mirotic. That sounds more like a fantasy scenario for the Bulls. Both teams would have to match salaries since theyre over the cap, so contracts will have to be moved regardless. If I'm Chicago I'd be more interested in Harkless than someone like John Leuer or Alec Burks.
 
Re: Portland interested in Mirotic rumors:

Bulls Young Pieces:
Markannen: PF
Dunn: PG
Portis: PF
Lavine: PG
Feliciano: C (not necessarily a core piece, but they've make a financial commitment to him)

Positions of Need:
SF, SG, C

Bad Contracts:
Absolutely none

Wants:
1st rounder

If I was the Bulls, I'd want Mo Harkless + a 1st rounder, I'd be willing to take on salary for that.

So....
Mo + 1st + Turner + $12.6 mil in space for Mirotic + Valentine

Would put us around $9 mil under lux. tax. Use that much to sign a player with our exception.

Realistic. Good, but not great. Maybe add Holiday?
 
Btw how convenient that Mirotic has the "stomach bug" and hasn't played since the weekend lol.
 
Re: Portland interested in Mirotic rumors:

Bulls Young Pieces:
Markannen: PF
Dunn: PG
Portis: PF
Lavine: PG
Feliciano: C (not necessarily a core piece, but they've make a financial commitment to him)

Positions of Need:
SF, SG, C

Bad Contracts:
Absolutely none

Wants:
1st rounder

If I was the Bulls, I'd want Mo Harkless + a 1st rounder, I'd be willing to take on salary for that.

So....
Mo + 1st + Turner + $12.6 mil in space for Mirotic + Valentine

Would put us around $9 mil under lux. tax. Use that much to sign a player with our exception.

Realistic. Good, but not great. Maybe add Holiday?
I think you're fooling yourself if you don't include Valentine--a first-round pick in his second year--among the "Bulls' young pieces". So far this year, he's been better than Turner--why would they give him up for an inferior, older, more expensive player?
 
It will be interesting to see how many first round picks will be given away at the trade deadline. I don't see it happening as much as their just too valuable.. at least without great protections. We shall see.
 
Highest risk/reward: Jabari

Most realistic: Mirotic

Most Olshey: Beasley, Hernangomez, pretty much any young wing stuck on a bench.
 
I think you're fooling yourself if you don't include Valentine--a first-round pick in his second year--among the "Bulls' young pieces". So far this year, he's been better than Turner--why would they give him up for an inferior, older, more expensive player?

Yeah I like Valentine as well. Listed as a SF/SG around 6'5 or 6'6" , I assume the Bulls do to.
But yeah I think Harkless would be a good fit there. I would start Portis and Valentine and have Markkanen and Harkless come off the bench.
 
Yeah I like Valentine as well. Listed as a SF/SG around 6'5 or 6'6" , I assume the Bulls do to.
But yeah I think Harkless would be a good fit there. I would start Portis and Valentine and have Markkanen and Harkless come off the bench.
Depending on the coach and philosophy (and where their draft pick shakes out this summer), I think there's a decent chance Markkanen ends up being played at center within the next couple years. He's too thin for it now, but I can see him getting up to a solid 250.
 
Yeah I like Valentine as well. Listed as a SF/SG around 6'5 or 6'6" , I assume the Bulls do to.
But yeah I think Harkless would be a good fit there. I would start Portis and Valentine and have Markkanen and Harkless come off the bench.

Markkanen and Harkless profile well next to eachother actually. Markkanen is more perimeter oriented while Harkless prefers to play closer to the basket. The more I think about it the more sense it makes. The fit (on both sides) is almost as obvious to me as Nurkic was before Portland acquired him.

But if we lose out because we didn't include a first, I'd be more than ok with that.
 
Doesn't Mirotic's current contract situation give him an essential no-trade clause? He has veto power I believe.

Would he want to come here with all our other PFs?

If we are shipping some out and he gets to start why not?
 
Man I'm gonna be upset if we give up anything of significance for Mirotic while taking away time from Collins. That's not the Nurkic trade all over again, rather it's the Afflalo trade (we filled a position that we had no need for-- had Wes/Barton/CJ/Crabbe at the time, and took away development time from CJ for a mediocre talent).

We need a wing. That's the obvious play. Not a no-defense 6'10 chucker.
 
Man I'm gonna be upset if we give up anything of significance for Mirotic while taking away time from Collins. That's not the Nurkic trade all over again, rather it's the Afflalo trade (we filled a position that we had no need for-- had Wes/Barton/CJ/Crabbe at the time, and took away development time from CJ for a mediocre talent).

We need a wing. That's the obvious play. Not a no-defense 6'10 chucker.

How would Mirotic take time away from Collins? With Mirotic' spacing, we can easily move Aminu back to his more natural position. Collins playing time wouldn't be affected.

And Mirotic isn't a no defense player, I don't know where that narrative comes from. He's a smart team defender, and a good help defender (averages over a block a game per 36.)
 
Defensively, Mirotic has a reputation as an incapable defender, but that could not be further from the truth. According to Synergy, Mirotic ranks in the 95th percentile in half court defense, allowing only 0.769 points per possession. This matches my eye test. Mirotic has great awareness and knows how to position himself on defense to support the backside, help on drives and contest kick-outs. He is also a phenomenal pick-and-roll container, ranking in the 85th percentile. While he is made to look silly against the speediest point guards, he does the subtle things right.
https://theathletic.com/59338/2017/05/12/bulls-season-in-review-nikola-mirotic/
 
How would Mirotic take time away from Collins? With Mirotic' spacing, we can easily move Aminu back to his more natural position. Collins playing time wouldn't be affected.

And Mirotic isn't a no defense player, I don't know where that narrative comes from. He's a smart team defender, and a good help defender (averages over a block a game per 36.)

Stotts does not consider Aminu a SF. This has been established. Even given our dire lack of spacing from the wing, Terry insists on playing the likes of Turner, Harkless, Pat, and Jake freaking Layman at SF instead. It's not gonna happen. This year he has played 94% of his time at PF, 5% at SF in a single lineup, and 1% at C. Last year, he played 95% of his time at PF, and 5 % at C. He didn't play a single minute at SF. It won't suddenly happen if we land Mirotic. We need to lose THIS narrative. And if Aminu stays at PF, Mirotic will be yet another backup. Even if Terry tries Aminu at SF for a limited period, Collins will be pushed further back in the rotation. And then what happens to Noah, or Caleb? We will let Noah walk this summer for nothing in return? What a waste of the Batum asset.

And honestly, if Aminu stays at PF, I like him over Mirotic in that position. He actually has a positive DBPM and can somewhat hold his own in the post defensively and is more versatile on both ends of the floor. Good luck having Mirotic switch onto guards. He also doesn't jack fadeaway 28 footers out of the flow of the offense.

I don't like Mirotic's game and it's obvious from even a slight glance at his stats that he's a flash in the pan this year given his higher usage. Hell if you look at his game log, he's clearly coming down to earth. He's no 17/7 sharp shooter like his raw numbers indicate. He will just add to the clutter that is our roster this year. Would be a disastrous move.
 
Stotts does not consider Aminu a SF. This has been established. Even given our dire lack of spacing from the wing, Terry insists on playing the likes of Turner, Harkless, Pat, and Jake freaking Layman at SF instead. It's not gonna happen. This year he has played 94% of his time at PF, 5% at SF in a single lineup, and 1% at C. Last year, he played 95% of his time at PF, and 5 % at C. He didn't play a single minute at SF. It won't suddenly happen if we land Mirotic. We need to lose THIS narrative. And if Aminu stays at PF, Mirotic will be yet another backup. Even if Terry tries Aminu at SF for a limited period, Collins will be pushed further back in the rotation.

And honestly, if Aminu stays at PF, I like him over Mirotic in that position. He actually has a positive DBPM and can somewhat hold his own in the post defensively and is more versatile on both ends of the floor. Good luck having Mirotic switch onto guards. He also doesn't jack fadeaway 28 footers out of the flow of the offense.

I don't like Mirotic's game and it's obvious from even a slight glance at his stats that he's a flash in the pan this year given his higher usage. Hell if you look at his game log, he's clearly coming down to earth. He's no 17/7 sharp shooter like his raw numbers indicate.

Aminu plays PF out of necessity, because Stotts doesn't trust anyone else, and has better cover at SF in Turner. I don't agree with it, but that's how I see it. With the theoretical addition of Mirotic, Aminu can slide back to SF, a position he's playing more of late when he's on the court with Collins and Davis. I don't know how you can say Stotts doesn't consider him a SF when he's literally getting minutes at the position. Aminu can guard any small forward in the league. Can you say that about the power forwards he has to go up against? He's playing PF strictly for offensive reasons. Reasons that Mirotic would help mitigate.
 
Moe’s best stretch of ball last year was before Nurkic arrived.

Not true at all. In fact if you go back and look at the game logs and splits from January and early February last year, you will see that Mo played his worst ball of the entire season from late January through early February, right before Nurk arrived. In fact, just like this season, Mo lost his starting role and was moved to the bench. That happened on 1/20 and he didn't return to the starting line up until two games before we got Nurk.

After we got Nurk, Mo saw a significant uptick in both his scoring and his shooting percentages. Remember those games when Nurk was getting 5, 6 or 8 assists? A lot of those were Nurk finding Mo on cuts to the basket. Mo can pl;ay well next to Nurk. The question is, why isn't he?

His best games this year have been when one of Dame/CJ have been out. I don’t think that’s a coincidence. When he’s somewhat featured, he produces. When everyone is on the court, he’s relegated to standing in the corner waiting to shoot a three, which isn’t his game, as he’s even admitted.

So while he definitely deserves to be criticized, I don’t believe it’s 100% his fault as I believe you’re making it seem.

And that's the problem with Mo. He's not good enough to be a reliable third option, but loses focus and motivation when he's not. Because he can't beat his man off the dribble, he needs to be an opportunistic scorer (cutting to the hoop, scrambling for loose balls, offensive rebounds, etc.). All those things require effort and when Mo feels like he's not being "featured" the effort dwindles (what I call pouting).

I have seen the lack of effort from Mo, which is why I have been down on him, but if you don't believe me, just look at his offensive rebounding. It's down from 1.6 ORB per game to 0.8. Sure, he's playing fewer minutes. So, look at his ORB%. Down from 6.2 to a career low 3.8. That's 8th on the team. Not good for a guy who relies on hustle for a big part of his game. And, before you try to blame that on Nurk's prescence, Mo saw a significant uptick in his offensive rebounding last year in February and March when playing next to Nurk (probably due to other teams focusing on keeping the beast off the offensive glass).

Mo whined to the media back in November about Dame, C.J. and Nurk getting all the touches. Well Mo, you were playing like ass and Aminu was out. Exactly who else should have been getting more shots? You want more shots, put forth more effort.

You had over two and a half years, before Nurk got here to establish yourself as a consistent and legitimate third option when this team desperate needed one, and you didn't take advantage of that opportunity. You have no one to blame but yourself. You were basically gifted the starting SF role, due to a lack of other options and you still have not been able to hold onto that role. Stop blaming others and start playing like you WANT it. Stop looking for it to be handed to you. It was and you pissed it away - twice.

Man up and earn that paycheck, or at least increase your trade value enough we can get something of value in return.

BNM
 
Aminu plays PF out of necessity, because Stotts doesn't trust anyone else, and has better cover at SF in Turner. I don't agree with it, but that's how I see it. With the theoretical addition of Mirotic, Aminu can slide back to SF, a position he's playing more of late when he's on the court with Collins and Davis. I don't know how you can say Stotts doesn't consider him a SF when he's literally getting minutes at the position. Aminu can guard any small forward in the league. Can you say that about the power forwards he has to go up against? He's playing PF strictly for offensive reasons. Reasons that Mirotic would help mitigate.
Stotts has stated unequivocally in several interviews that Aminu's best position is the 4, that he's much more effective at the 4, that the team plays better when he's at the 4, etc. He was even saying just yesterday that Moe gets more minutes when Dame is out because minutes open up for him at the 3 as CJ/Turner shift down positionally, but Vonleh doesn't receive that same benefit because he's behind Aminu and Collins at the 4.
 
Not true at all. In fact if you go back and look at the game logs and splits from January and early February last year, you will see that Mo played his worst ball of the entire season from late January through early February, right before Nurk arrived. In fact, just like this season, Mo lost his starting role and was moved to the bench. That happened on 1/20 and he didn't return to the starting line up until two games before we got Nurk.

After we got Nurk, Mo saw a significant uptick in both his scoring and his shooting percentages. Remember those games when Nurk was getting 5, 6 or 8 assists? A lot of those were Nurk finding Mo on cuts to the basket. Mo can pl;ay well next to Nurk. The question is, why isn't he?



And that's the problem with Mo. He's not good enough to be a reliable third option, but loses focus and motivation when he's not. Because he can't beat his man off the dribble, he needs to be an opportunistic scorer (cutting to the hoop, scrambling for loose balls, offensive rebounds, etc.). All those things require effort and when Mo feels like he's not being "featured" the effort dwindles (what I call pouting).

I have seen the lack of effort from Mo, which is why I have been down on him, but if you don't believe me, just look at his offensive rebounding. It's down from 1.6 ORB per game to 0.8. Sure, he's playing fewer minutes. So, look at his ORB%. Down from 6.2 to a career low 3.8. That's 8th on the team. Not good for a guy who relies on hustle for a big part of his game. And, before you try to blame that on Nurk's prescence, Mo saw a significant uptick in his offensive rebounding last year in February and March when playing next to Nurk (probably due to other teams focusing on keeping the beast off the offensive glass).

Mo whined to the media back in November about Dame, C.J. and Nurk getting all the touches. Well Mo, you were playing like ass and Aminu was out. Exactly who else should have been getting more shots? You want more shots, put forth more effort.

You had over two and a half years, before Nurk got here to establish yourself as a consistent and legitimate third option when this team desperate needed one, and you didn't take advantage of that opportunity. You have no one to blame but yourself. You were basically gifted the starting SF role, due to a lack of other options and you still have not been able to hold onto that role. Stop blaming others and start playing like you WANT it. Stop looking for it to be handed to you. It was and you pissed it away - twice.

Man up and earn that paycheck, or at least increase your trade value enough we can get something of value in return.

BNM

No, Harkless did not play better with Nurkic. His most consistent play was in November. I'm sure you'll find a way to argue that fact though.
 
I wasn’t arguing that he’s played bad. Doesn’t mean he’s not trying, pouting, or being unprofessional. Everything I’ve heard and read points to the opposite. His body language is no different than it’s been since he’s been here so it’s interesting to me how you can jump to the conclusions you have without any sort of evidence beyond that.

So you forgot about this then???

Maurice Harkless and his struggles: 'I feel like I'm just out there'

“I’m just out there, and that’s frustrating,’’ Harkless said. “I’m just out there playing defense, which is cool … running back and forth. Out there running track.’’

“We gotta figure out ways … not only me, but ways to get other people going,’’ Harkless said. “Every game it’s the same thing … we play through three people.’’

“Everybody else is just …. It’s hard to get into a rhythm,’’ Harkless said. “It’s that simple.’’

"....We just have to figure something out,’’ Harkless said

“It gets frustrating at times,’’ Harkless said after the Orlando game on Nov. 15. “I feel like I could bring more to the team. Especially on the offensive end. It just is what it is. The way we are playing right now, it’s just my role right now.

“It’s not like, I’m Evan (Turner) - when he comes in the game, he has the ball in his hands and he can shoot whenever he wants to,’’ Harkless said. “I’m pretty much in a position where I’m just waiting around and you have to pass me the ball. A lot of times I’m open and guys may miss me or I make a cut and they miss me. I just have to keep playing, I can’t worry about that stuff.’’

“It’s frustrating playing and getting only two shots and the game and the game I did get 11 shots (Brooklyn), I made three. So it’s a little frustrating, but I just have to keep going and be ready for when the opportunity comes. It’s been hard with the inconsistency, but it’s part of the game, and it’s just the situation I’m in right now, and I just have to continue make the most of my situation.’’

The one that PISSES ME OFF is:

"If you want a guy to go out and rebound and defend and play as active as we want Moe to, you have to give him an opportunity to touch the ball and be involved with it,’’ Lillard said
 

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