Trade for Bosh!!

[BoomChakaLaka]

Anyone who thinks LaMarcus is even in Bosh's league is kidding themselves. I can't stand LA's game.

Thank You!

I was starting to question my bb IQ.

BOSH >>>>> LA

Not even close. How many double-double's does LA have this year? Bosh = 27 out of, what, 30 games?

Bosh is the aggressive PF this Blazer team NEEDS to become Champions.


I say: trade whatever it takes to get Bosh. Anyone but Roy, Miller, Oden, Bayless, Batum, Rudy, Cunningham, Pendergraph, Mills.

 

[julius]

I say: trade whatever it takes to get Bosh. Anyone but Roy, Miller, Oden, Bayless, Batum, Rudy, Cunningham, Pendergraph, Mills.

So basically, you're saying don't trade for Bosh. Because Toronto wouldn't trade him for what we'd be left to offer them.

 

[BoomChakaLaka]

So basically, you're saying don't trade for Bosh. Because Toronto wouldn't trade him for what we'd be left to offer them.

I left a list of:

Aldridge
Outlaw
Blake
Webster
Pryzbilla

What is Houston going to send to TO that we can't better?

Oh yeh, I forgot: I also left Howard! LOL

I think Aldridge + a healthy Outlaw (and they can use Blake and his expiring contract before the deadline) would be a nice package - especially if Bosh indicates that he won't re-sign!

 

[speeds]

Toronto would want Pryz.

 

[BoomChakaLaka]

I don't know of a better team to be trading with (over the Blazers), when it comes to TO trading BOSH.




If Utah wanted to trade Boozer and their number 1 pick (from NY), then this "might" be a better package for Colangelo to consider. And Bosh's addition to Utah would make them solid.


Houston doesn't have much to offer Toronto (although this is the chatter);

And Miami -? I don't think they'll part with Wade for Bosh...the idea has been for Bosh to play with Wade - so I just don't see much there.


The 76'ers? Iguadala + Dalembert + #1 pick for Bosh? Maybe...but not as strong as LA + Outlaw + Blake in my opinion.


So help me out here - "homerism" aside, what team can offer up more for Bosh (today) and not deplete their team by doing so?

 

[BoomChakaLaka]

Toronto would want Pryz.

Toronto can have Pryz!!!

I love Pryz. But Pryz has no doubt seen his last game in a Blazer uniform. His rehab time will not have him playing until mid-year 2010/11 season at best - so if we can move him and his 2010-2011 expiring now....great.

 

[ebott]

That guy has the talent to be a top 3 PF in the league

What do you base this on?

Cause I'm saying he doesn't. LaMarcus is a good jump shooter that's mediocre in every other phase of the game. He is what he is. I've never seen anything from him to show that he's anything else.

Being angry that he's not Chris Bosh doesn't make a whole hell of a lot of sense to me.

 

[Minstrel]

What do you base this on?

Cause I'm saying he doesn't. LaMarcus is a good jump shooter that's mediocre in every other phase of the game. He is what he is. I've never seen anything from him to show that he's anything else.

Being angry that he's not Chris Bosh doesn't make a whole hell of a lot of sense to me.

Some Portland fans used to say the same thing about Rasheed Wallace. What I think it comes down to is, people realize they can't be angry at a player for lacking talent. That's just obviously silly. So they pull out the "He could be the best [or close to it], but chooses not to be" card in order to have justification for being angry at the player.

 

[yenniedn]

IGNORED

But, but, but . . . if you ignore Boom, how are you going to know about all of his ultra-realistic trade proposals that he whips up everyday?


Oh wait . . . I think you're onto something there!

 

[Rastapopoulos]

Apparently the Lakers might give up Bynum for Bosh. On the face of it that looks great for LA, as Bynum is pretty much redundant for them unless Gasol is injured (in which case they're not going to win anything). Bynum is the Lakers' Marcin Gortat. BUT this guy (local media) doesn't think much of Bosh:

The all-star, as much as he is putting up great numbers on a bad team, is 25 years old, couldn't lead a Cub pack, plays defence like it's optional, drags around a massive knee brace and, come summertime, will be asking for a six-year maximum-dollar contract worth more than $130 million. I say trade him to the team that thinks that's a good bet.

 

[axs88]

If the Lakers get Bosh for Bynum, I'm gonna throw up...

 

[hasoos]

If the Lakers get Bosh for Bynum, I'm gonna throw up...

I am glad that over on hoopsworld that Colangelo answered the question about the trade the way he did. Basically the idea of it was, he hasn't even explored trading Bosh, let alone trading them to the Lakers. The whole point that he even mentioned that it was a crazy idea sending more talent to the Lakers made me feel a whole lot better. We know he has no love of that franchise since he was in PHX.

 

[Ed O]

Some Portland fans used to say the same thing about Rasheed Wallace. What I think it comes down to is, people realize they can't be angry at a player for lacking talent. That's just obviously silly. So they pull out the "He could be the best [or close to it], but chooses not to be" card in order to have justification for being angry at the player.

Exactly. Setting insane expectations is the best way for some people to approach being a fan. If they're right, then they can crow about the player's success. If they're wrong, they can blame the player for not living up to his potential.

Ed O.

 

[BlazerCaravan]

Exactly. Setting insane expectations is the best way for some people to approach being a fan. If they're right, then they can crow about the player's success. If they're wrong, they can blame the player for not living up to his potential.

Ed O.

What's crazy is the difference of expectations between Roy and Aldridge in their first three years; Roy has "hit his ceiling" four times now, and surpassed the relatively low expectations of the fans, but somehow, LMA has never lived up to whatever crazy unrealistic expectations have been place upon him.

LMA and Roy are here. We've built around them with players who cover for weaknesses and amplify strengths. This means that, while LMA isn't the best PF in the league, or even the division, he's the right PF for the way this team is built. It's probably time to just accept that and judge LMA by a different scale.

 

[BigVolcano]

The 76'ers? Iguadala + Dalembert + #1 pick for Bosh? Maybe...but not as strong as LA + Outlaw + Blake in my opinion.

Philly will most likely have a good pick and Iguodala is a great 'do it all' type player imo. Dalembert is a good defensive center and Bargs could move to his more natural position of PF. LA is basically a lesser Bosh, Blake is pointless with Jack and Calderon, and i don't really know much about Outlaw but if Philly and Portland both presented those offers, i would take Philly's without hesitation.

 

[BoomChakaLaka]

But, but, but . . . if you ignore Boom, how are you going to know about all of his ultra-realistic trade proposals that he whips up everyday?


Oh wait . . . I think you're onto something there!

C'mon Yenn! Don't you find fun in debating trade ideas?

 

[BoomChakaLaka]

What's crazy is the difference of expectations between Roy and Aldridge in their first three years; Roy has "hit his ceiling" four times now, and surpassed the relatively low expectations of the fans, but somehow, LMA has never lived up to whatever crazy unrealistic expectations have been place upon him.

LMA and Roy are here. We've built around them with players who cover for weaknesses and amplify strengths. This means that, while LMA isn't the best PF in the league, or even the division, he's the right PF for the way this team is built. It's probably time to just accept that and judge LMA by a different scale.

In reality - you are 99% right on this viewpoint.

I'm just hoping for that other 1%

LOL

 

[Chutney]

This "rent-a-Bosh" argument in respect to assessing what Toronto could get for Bosh needs to be addressed. The only two priorities Bosh has stated for his new contract are (1) receiving max money, and (2) being somewhere he thinks he can win a championship soon. The first goes without saying; everyone in the league recognizes that he can only be retained with a max contract and all suitors are willing to give him one. His second stipulation is so lax that he actually hasn't ruled out the Raptors: a team that boasts two first round exits over his tenure with them and has significant cap space tied up in an unproven core. Comparatively, there are several NBA teams that look much more appealing. And if he's traded to any of them, the chances are really, really high that he re-signs (remembering that he can be compensated far more by that team).

Any Raptor attempt to trade Bosh may be negatively affected by his impending free agency, but not all that much. Any team attempting to acquire him is doing so under the belief that he'll more than likely re-sign with them. I think the recent rumour of Houston making a significant push for Bosh even in the absence of a guarantee to re-sign proves that fact.

None of the hypothetical proposals are even close to what it'll take to acquire him.

 

[Blaze01]

Certainly POR could put a package revolving around Aldridge that would be more appealing than LA could around Bynum.....

Start with Aldridge and add from there....

Bayless? I would do it
Rudy? I'd prefer POR try to hold onto him
Batum? Same, but I'd deal him before Rudy
Outlaw\Webster? Certainly 1 of them
Przybilla? Yes, I would include him
Pendergraph\Cunningham\Mills? Certainly any of them required
Claver\Freelland\Koponen? Again, yes any of them required
1st round picks? yes, certainly 1 or 2 if need be

Bosh is a clear upgrade from LA IMO...worth giving up additional talent along with LA for sure, but not the farm....LA is a very good player...LA and 1-3 players and a pick? Yeah I would do that...

The only real untouchables IMO are Roy & Oden, with Rudy & Batum close behind.....any other combination though I would be all for...and even with Batum, you have to factor in POR depth there (with Webster & Outlaw) and factor in just what kind of impact you think Claver could be down the road....you can't hold onto all these guys indefinitely...

So if TOR insisted on Batum, then you consider it, but I certainly wouldn't be giving them much else in addition to that....

If they are willing to take Bayless and other players among Outlaw, Webster, Pendergraph, Cunningham, Przybilla, Claver, Freeland, Koponen & Mills...Yeah certainly you should consider giving them 2 total of these players maybe plus a 1st round pick...Look, we can absorb the loss, and Bosh IMO is worth it (signed and delivered of course, you would never make such a deal without such assurances)...

I mean if Tor scoffed at LA, Bayless, Outlaw and a future 1st for example or LA & Batum...well then they are being unreasonable IMO.....

 

[BoomChakaLaka]

Certainly POR could put a package revolving around Aldridge that would be more appealing than LA could around Bynum.....

Start with Aldridge and add from there....

Bayless? I would do it
Rudy? I'd prefer POR try to hold onto him
Batum? Same, but I'd deal him before Rudy
Outlaw\Webster? Certainly 1 of them
Przybilla? Yes, I would include him
Pendergraph\Cunningham\Mills? Certainly any of them required
Claver\Freelland\Koponen? Again, yes any of them required
1st round picks? yes, certainly 1 or 2 if need be

Bosh is a clear upgrade from LA IMO...worth giving up additional talent along with LA for sure, but not the farm....LA is a very good player...LA and 1-3 players and a pick? Yeah I would do that...

The only real untouchables IMO are Roy & Oden, with Rudy & Batum close behind.....any other combination though I would be all for...and even with Batum, you have to factor in POR depth there (with Webster & Outlaw) and factor in just what kind of impact you think Claver could be down the road....you can't hold onto all these guys indefinitely...

So if TOR insisted on Batum, then you consider it, but I certainly wouldn't be giving them much else in addition to that....

If they are willing to take Bayless and other players among Outlaw, Webster, Pendergraph, Cunningham, Przybilla, Claver, Freeland, Koponen & Mills...Yeah certainly you should consider giving them 2 total of these players maybe plus a 1st round pick...Look, we can absorb the loss, and Bosh IMO is worth it (signed and delivered of course, you would never make such a deal without such assurances)...

I mean if Tor scoffed at LA, Bayless, Outlaw and a future 1st for example or LA & Batum...well then they are being unreasonable IMO.....

This is what I've benn trying to say!

BOSH is the Blazer's answer. The true "piece to this puzzle" that gets us to the next level.

!

 

[WillG]

What do you base this on?

LMA has a great shooting touch, is an excellent athlete, has extremely good length and has started to put on a bit of mass for more bulk power.

He was picked No.2 in the draft for these reasons, but has yet to fully utilise these advantages over other players.

I guess maybe he's lacking intensity or a desire to excel at the game??

If he actually played like a man the guy would be great, no doubt IMO.

 

[The_Lillard_King]

Not just fans who have big expectations for Aldridge. The Blazers have made him as one of the faces of the franchise and designated him one of the big three. They have also compensated him as though he is a top-teir PF in the league.

 

[The_Lillard_King]

This "rent-a-Bosh" argument in respect to assessing what Toronto could get for Bosh needs to be addressed. The only two priorities Bosh has stated for his new contract are (1) receiving max money, and (2) being somewhere he thinks he can win a championship soon. The first goes without saying; everyone in the league recognizes that he can only be retained with a max contract and all suitors are willing to give him one. His second stipulation is so lax that he actually hasn't ruled out the Raptors: a team that boasts two first round exits over his tenure with them and has significant cap space tied up in an unproven core. Comparatively, there are several NBA teams that look much more appealing. And if he's traded to any of them, the chances are really, really high that he re-signs (remembering that he can be compensated far more by that team).

Any Raptor attempt to trade Bosh may be negatively affected by his impending free agency, but not all that much. Any team attempting to acquire him is doing so under the belief that he'll more than likely re-sign with them. I think the recent rumour of Houston making a significant push for Bosh even in the absence of a guarantee to re-sign proves that fact.

None of the hypothetical proposals are even close to what it'll take to acquire him.

It would be stupid for any small market team to trade for Bosh with the idea they will just re-sign him this summer (and therefore give a lot of talent for the trade).

 

[Crimson the Cat]

What I hope happens is the coaching staff decides Aldridge is now their center, both short term and long. Until Greg or Joel returns and proves they're fully rehabbed, LMA becomes our five and we build around him. With him in that established role, the others bigs can then fall in around him and begin to solidify their roles as well. As well as all our bigs have played, they can play even better with more court time in a consistent role. If this happens, in time and after healing those ankles, I have little doubt Aldridge would raise his offensive output to an even higher level.

We haven't nearly seen the best Aldridge can do. Don't forget he's still only 24 and running around on some bum ankles.

 

[Natebishop3]

Some Portland fans used to say the same thing about Rasheed Wallace. What I think it comes down to is, people realize they can't be angry at a player for lacking talent. That's just obviously silly. So they pull out the "He could be the best [or close to it], but chooses not to be" card in order to have justification for being angry at the player.

But it's not a lack of talent. It's a lack of effort. Rasheed had the talent. We know this because we saw it. The guy was fully capable of dropping 30 points in a game on the regular. What maddened the fans was his refusal to take the ball into the paint where he was deadly, and continue to jack up three pointers, which he was only decent at.

LMA is somewhat the same. The talent is there, but the mental toughness and desire is not. Only on rare occasions do we see Aldridge get fired up and torch someone. Most nights he is satisfied by floating around the perimeter and shooting when he gets the ball. How often does LMA call for the ball? We can all hope that he will one day develop that killer instinct, but history has shown with Sheed that it probably won't happen.

 

[Ed O]

But it's not a lack of talent. It's a lack of effort. Rasheed had the talent. We know this because we saw it. The guy was fully capable of dropping 30 points in a game on the regular. What maddened the fans was his refusal to take the ball into the paint where he was deadly, and continue to jack up three pointers, which he was only decent at.

LMA is somewhat the same. The talent is there, but the mental toughness and desire is not. Only on rare occasions do we see Aldridge get fired up and torch someone. Most nights he is satisfied by floating around the perimeter and shooting when he gets the ball. How often does LMA call for the ball? We can all hope that he will one day develop that killer instinct, but history has shown with Sheed that it probably won't happen.

There are a shit-ton of NBA players that can be great in spurts. Rasheed and Aldridge are nowhere unique--or even that uncommon--in that regard.

Rasheed was a borderline great player because of his defense, even if his offensive game was never where many expected it to be. Aldridge does not have that defense to fall back on, so he's not that good of a player just yet.

Ed O.

 

[STOMP]

I think the player that can save our season is Brendan Haywood.

hopefully you're joking... dude sucks. Barring one of the most lopsided trades in league history, Portland isn't going to win a championship this year. My hopes are that management is focused on the big picture.

STOMP