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hoopsjock said:
All I think about with these types of stories is how nice it is that they no longer involve our Blazers. Draymond doing this? Not shocking at all.

Are they perhaps too nice? You could certainly make the argument there needs to be some form of "craziness" on a team, but I'm glad we're not talking about how this will effect one of our young player's psyche moving forward.
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The Blazers culture is probably strong enough to handle some misfit one level down from Draymond. I'm not sure the culture would hold up with a guy like Draymond unless they were winning 60 games.

Regardless, you can be a successful team without having teammates punching each other. There is no strong data to back up that being nice/mean impacts success.
 
Tince said:
The Blazers culture is probably strong enough to handle some misfit one level down from Draymond. I'm not sure the culture would hold up with a guy like Draymond unless they were winning 60 games.

Regardless, you can be a successful team without having teammates punching each other. There is no strong data to back up that being nice/mean impacts success.
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That might not even be enough. Probably championship or bust. Imagine Draymond in the Suns locker room right now.
 
Hoopguru said:
No way those two can brush this aside, and be team mates!
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I totally disagree. People can put shit like this behind them. Jordan punched Kerr in the face in training camp 1995 and then they won three straight championships together. I'm not saying the Dray is MJ but both guys are really volatile and I'm betting MJ punching a teammate in the face was a bigger shock than Dray. These guys know what they're getting with Dray and they'll just chalk it up to him being him... one of the reasons I don't want him ever.
 
blazerkor said:
I totally disagree. People can put shit like this behind them. Jordan punched Kerr in the face in training camp 1995 and then they won three straight championships together. I'm not saying the Dray is MJ but both guys are really volatile and I'm betting MJ punching a teammate in the face was a bigger shock than Dray. These guys know what they're getting with Dray and they'll just chalk it up to him being him... one of the reasons I don't want him ever.
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Maybe so, but Durant sure wanted out after his Green deal.
 
blazerkor said:
I totally disagree. People can put shit like this behind them. Jordan punched Kerr in the face in training camp 1995 and then they won three straight championships together. I'm not saying the Dray is MJ but both guys are really volatile and I'm betting MJ punching a teammate in the face was a bigger shock than Dray. These guys know what they're getting with Dray and they'll just chalk it up to him being him... one of the reasons I don't want him ever.
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Kerr earned MJ's respect and his personality is different than Pooles.
Greens shot was really launched and buckled JP's knees. Two big talkers.
 
How do teams, that are at, or over the tax line acquire a guy like Green. I don't think the price will be high. The Warriors are WAYYYYY Over, and need to re sign Poole. Will they just buy him out. Dude from Frisco on Rip City Radio said 80% of fans want him adios .
 
If Draymond is acting like that with an organization/culture as the Warriors I can't imagine what he'd do in Portland haha
 
i really don’t want to have Draymond on the team. he’s such an asshole, and i could see his game dropping off a cliff in the next few years.

my hope is that he is forced out, the lakers get him, their fans plan for a championship parade, and then they’re terrible again and the warriors go downhill without him.
 
Driew said:
If Draymond is acting like that with an organization/culture as the Warriors I can't imagine what he'd do in Portland haha
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Thing is, I don't think there is anyone in leadership in Golden State with the type of attitude and personality that Draymond truly respects, that can legitimately stand up to him when he's being a POS. Dame is a different cat.
 
PtldPlatypus said:
Thing is, I don't think there is anyone in leadership in Golden State with the type of attitude and personality that Draymond truly respects, that can legitimately stand up to him when he's being a POS. Dame is a different cat.
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You don't think Steph has that? That's surprising to me.
 
PtldPlatypus said:
Thing is, I don't think there is anyone in leadership in Golden State with the type of attitude and personality that Draymond truly respects, that can legitimately stand up to him when he's being a POS. Dame is a different cat.
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Driew said:
You don't think Steph has that? That's surprising to me.
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I think it's fair to assume that Draymond is only really engaged when his team is contending (regardless of the team leadership).
 
If you can get Draymon for Nas, I'd do it if I could stay under the tax line. But, I don't think either are likely.
 
Driew said:
You don't think Steph has that? That's surprising to me.
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No, I don't. I think Draymond would see Steph as soft. I don't know that I've ever seen Steph step to anyone. He's got the kind of demeanor I respect personally, but I don't think he's the kind of bad-ass needed to keep someone like Draymond in line.
 
Tince said:
I think it's fair to assume that Draymond is only really engaged when his team is contending (regardless of the team leadership).
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Really I heard that Draymond was a great teammate during the down years with all the injuries and it was basically just Draymond left mentoring the young guys.
 
Driew said:
Really I heard that Draymond was a great teammate during the down years with all the injuries and it was basically just Draymond left mentoring the young guys.
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I have heard that. I also heard he took a lot more plays (and games) off in the years after the championship run because he wasn't engaged.
 
It's funny to hear guys be so demonstrative on Draymond, but kid gloves with what MJ did. And i'm sick of Jaynes saying Poole hardly pushed Green. That was a push with intent. I've had a lot of disgust in what Green does on the court. But it worked for that dynasty in GS. If he became a Blazer, i will support him 100%. You can only be a boy scout so much before you get sick of the bullshit.
 
1. That was an actual punch. No flailing-arm-basketball-fight.
2. The look on video wasn’t an out of nowhere sucker punch, but that escalated pretty fast. Not Anchorman fast. Words > chest bump> push > step and throw.
3. As to Draymond on the Blazers? Absolutely, but not for Simons. Draymond is 32 and makes the forward spot a strength, but Simons has way too much untapped skills. The dollars make the package large and likely include Nurkic with Hart.
 
Natebishop3 said:
I'm not "taking" anything. If you shove someone, you can be charged with assault. That's the law.
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True. OTOH, it is hard to tell if Green bodied up on him prior to the shove. If he was trying to bulldoze Poole, the shove arguably becomes self defense. Given Green's personality and reputation it is possible he threatened Poole and was intending to provoke a fight. Poole messed up his plan by pushing him away and retreating, rather than attacking - so Green went mental on him.

None of which is to say Poole is an angel.
 
oldmangrouch said:
Whoever it was, they need a lecture on keeping some things in the locker-room. Making this public has no positive effect for anybody - and I'm sure the person involved knew that.
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The most interesting part of this is the release of the video and its effects.
1. Golden State handling it internally and can’t go back from that … but wants some heat on Green to show him they’re pissed?
2. Poole can’t be happy with the release … and is set to make serious $$$ … but in Golden State?
He is a RFA next summer and Wiggins FA. The next summer Klay, Green, and Wiseman get paid. Huge payroll.
3. The narrative pushed is how awesome the chemistry is for Golden State. Not so idyllic (and anyone who bought into it didn’t pay attention to Durant leaving).

What happens? Probably nothing.
 
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Natebishop3 said:
That's because most fights in the NBA happen during games, and they don't have time to manifest into anything more than a weak scuffle.

But fights during practice tend to be much worse. Someone already mentioned Zach Randolph breaking Ruben Patterson's face during practice. We know that Michael Jordan punched Steve Kerr. I'm sure there's probably hundreds of other examples that have happened over the years.
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I bet more fights happen in practice than in games. Much more. We just don’t see them.
 
KSF-ERIC said:
It means fights like this happen in practice all the time and they’re pissed one actually got out.
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If the punishment for sharing the action is worse than the action itself, Golden State will look worse than Draymond in my eyes.
 
KSF-ERIC said:
It means fights like this happen in practice all the time and they’re pissed one actually got out.
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I don't believe that. Fights that escalate to a punch like that don't happen "all the time". Pushing and shoving and heated words, ok. Not punches. I'd be rather confident the last hard punch thrown in a Blazer practice was by Zach Randolph and that was 17 or 18 years ago.
 
Tince said:
If the punishment for sharing the action is worse than the action itself, Golden State will look worse than Draymond in my eyes.
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I have to disagree. First, the leaker escalated the situation. If 2 guys are fighting, the 3rd guy who jumps in and makes a bad situation worse is always going to get in trouble. Second, whoever did this put their personal agenda above the team. This tattling to the media was part of what fed the whole "jailblazer" BS and it will poison a locker-room.
 
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