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wizenheimer said:
I don't believe that. Fights that escalate to a punch like that don't happen "all the time". Pushing and shoving and heated words, ok. Not punches. I'd be rather confident the last hard punch thrown in a Blazer practice was by Zach Randolph and that was 17 or 18 years ago.
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I don’t see how it doesn’t happen all the time. Put a bunch of alpha males in something competitive and there’s bound to be fights. I’m guessing we hear about 5-10% of the fights that happen. In the old days media was allowed into practices and they were reported all the time. I think it’s nieve to think it doesn’t still happen. In this case someone wanted Dray to be exposed, 100% inside job by someone higher up in organization maybe even at the coaching level.

I’ve been in a few fights and almost always ended up friends.
 
1 Eye Jack said:
I don’t see how it doesn’t happen all the time. Put a bunch of alpha males in something competitive and there’s bound to be fights. I’m guessing we hear about 5-10% of the fights that happen. In the old days media was allowed into practices and they were reported all the time. I think it’s nieve to think it doesn’t still happen. In this case someone wanted Dray to be exposed, 100% inside job by someone higher up in organization maybe even at the coaching level.

I’ve been in a few fights and almost always ended up friends.
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sorry, I don't accept that. I'm not saying it never happens. I'm saying it's rare to escalate to a hay-maker punch like that. It's even rare for football teams, let alone basketball. I played basketball; high school and years of city league. Lots of practices, lots of games. I've seen lots of trash-talking and occasional pushing and shoving; but only one fist-fight and they weren't teammates
 
wizenheimer said:
sorry, I don't accept that. I'm not saying it never happens. I'm saying it's rare to escalate to a hay-maker punch like that. It's even rare for football teams, let alone basketball. I played basketball; high school and years of city league. Lots of practices, lots of games. I've seen lots of trash-talking and occasional pushing and shoving; but only one fist-fight and they weren't teammates
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I bet it happens at least once a year on 80% of the teams. I grew up with marine for a dad with 3 younger brothers we got into lots of fights and unfortunately sometimes with friends. Looking back now I’m ashamed of it but that’s only way I knew how to handle things. I’m guessing many of these guys grew up in similar circumstances. I think had Dray not connected as flush as he did it wouldn’t be a big deal to everyone (still not right just saying it wouldn’t seem as bad)
 
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oldmangrouch said:
I have to disagree. First, the leaker escalated the situation. If 2 guys are fighting, the 3rd guy who jumps in and makes a bad situation worse is always going to get in trouble. Second, whoever did this put their personal agenda above the team. This tattling to the media was part of what fed the whole "jailblazer" BS and it will poison a locker-room.
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This is an odd stance to me.
  1. How did the leaker excalate the situation? If anything, they brought clarity to situation in a world where people prefer to read 2nd hand stories that match what they want to believe; this guy is allowing people to drawing their own conclusions
  2. The person who leaked the video didn't jump in the "fight", unless it was Draymond. He was the only one jumping and "fight(ing)"
  3. This wasn't an agreed upon "fight". This was Draymond making the first physical contact and by far the most aggressive pysical contact. This was a sucker punch more than a "fight"
  4. Didn't Draymond put his personal agenda over the team?
Being on a professional sports team should not mean your illegal actions are obligated to be covered up for you.

And where do you draw the line on what should be kept secret within professional sports? Racism? Sexual Assault? Fraud? Murder? Why are we protecting these people?
 
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Tince said:
This is an odd stance to me.
  1. How did the leaker excalate the situation? If anything, they brought clarity to situation in a world where people prefer to read 2nd hand stories that match what they want to believe; this guy is allowing people to drawing their own conclusions
  2. The person who leaked the video didn't jump in the "fight", unless it was Draymond. He was the only one jumping and "fight(ing)"
  3. This wasn't an agreed upon "fight". This was Draymond making the first physical contact and by far the most aggressive pysical contact. This was a sucker punch more than a "fight"
  4. Didn't Draymond put his personal agenda over the team?
Being on a professional sports team should not mean your illegal actions are obligated to be covered up for you.

And where do you draw the line on what should be kept secret within professional sports? Racism? Sexual Assault? Fraud? Murder? Why are we protecting these people?
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In the State of Oregon a blow to the head even with a fist can be grounds for 2nd degree assault. Automatic 7 years
 
Tince said:
Don't get me started on Measure 11 stuff!

Here is the ORS for Assault 2. Some vague language for a serious penalty.

https://oregon.public.law/statutes/ors_163.175
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I think for what Green did, the crime wouldn't be assault but be battery. I may be wrong but I think battery can be either a misdemeanor or a felony, depending on degree. IIRC, the felony charge is aggravated battery
 
I think another important thing to ask about this incident is why did Draymond punch Poole?
With MJ and Kerr and other practice fights (maybe not Patterson and Randolph), it's usually over rough play or someone gets upset about something going on during play.

As the video shows, this was not the case. Poole wasn't even in the playing area, he was along the baseline. Even if Poole was talking trash, for Draymond to walk over and instigate the incident leads me to believe there is some frustration from Draymond about his contract and Poole's contract.
He knows Poole is going to get paid - probably as much if not more than Herro.
Draymond knows since he is older, he will not get paid as much, even though he is more responsible for the 4 rings than Poole is for 1.

I think if this is the case, this is harder to move on from and can have lingering effects all season long. Golden State's best option might just be to move Draymond as soon as possible or risk this hanging over the team all season long.
 
wizenheimer said:
I think for what Green did, the crime wouldn't be assault but be battery. I may be wrong but I think battery can be either a misdemeanor or a felony, depending on degree. IIRC, the felony charge is aggravated battery
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I don't think he will be charged with either. What you may or may not know is that the DA has a lot of tools to decide if they want to charge someone and how aggressively. If they wanted to make an exmaple out of him, they almost certainly could get him on multi-counts.

I'm not saying if they should or shouldn't, but there is no doubt in my mind he broke a law. I don't want him to go to jail/prison because I don't think it would accomplish anything positive for him or the rest of society. Having said that, this wasn't some mutal agreed upon "fight" between two people.
 
Tince said:
I don't think he will be charged with either. What you may or may not know is that the DA has a lot of tools to decide if they want to charge someone and how aggressively. If they wanted to make an exmaple out of him, they almost certainly could get him on multi-counts.

I'm not saying if they should or shouldn't, but there is no doubt in my mind he broke a law. I don't want him to go to jail/prison because I don't think it would accomplish anything positive for him or the rest of society. Having said that, this wasn't some mutal agreed upon "fight" between two people.
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And to think how many players over the years wanted to launch one on Greens face.
 
Tince said:
This is an odd stance to me.
  1. How did the leaker excalate the situation? If anything, they brought clarity to situation in a world where people prefer to read 2nd hand stories that match what they want to believe; this guy is allowing people to drawing their own conclusions
  2. The person who leaked the video didn't jump in the "fight", unless it was Draymond. He was the only one jumping and "fight(ing)"
  3. This wasn't an agreed upon "fight". This was Draymond making the first physical contact and by far the most aggressive pysical contact. This was a sucker punch more than a "fight"
  4. Didn't Draymond put his personal agenda over the team?
Being on a professional sports team should not mean your illegal actions are obligated to be covered up for you.

And where do you draw the line on what should be kept secret within professional sports? Racism? Sexual Assault? Fraud? Murder? Why are we protecting these people?
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I agree with point 4. On the rest, we will just have to agree to disagree. There was no harm to anyone in giving the players involved the chance to settle this in private.

BTW, you will note that the leaker didn't go to a news organization - they went to a celebrity gossip site. (TMZ) To me that is a big red flag regarding their intent. YMMV
 
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oldmangrouch said:
I agree with point 4. On the rest, we will just have to agree to disagree. There was no harm to anyone in giving the players involved the chance to settle this in private.

BTW, you will note that the leaker didn't go to a news organization - they went to a celebrity gossip site. (TMZ) To me that is a big red flag regarding their intent. YMMV
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I'm not trying to say the person who leaked it did nothing wrong. I'm saying they did nothing illegal and therefore it's not worse the what Draymond did.

I don't know how TMZ obtained the video, I don't know if it's someone in the organization, etc. We can assume, but we're just taking educated guesses at this point. What we do know is Draymond walked aggressive at Poole, made the first physical contact, and threw a punch.

The deflecting attention off Draymond Green to an unknown person who exposed the truth is a wild stance to me. However, big power organizations/governments love that type of hurd mentality to cover up their wrong-doings.
 
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I can tell you that Kerr asked them to trade Draymond 6 years ago. Hates dealing with him. Knows how good and valuable he is but has been sick of his shit for a LONG time. I have no doubt they are open to trading him. I just think the value is not great at the moment and he by far has the most value to one team - Golden State. But that wasn’t just any punch. That was a vicious punch straight to the face. Could have done some serious damage to one of their best players. Enough is enough.
 
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Why would we want somebody that punches their teammates in the face?

Honestly, he should be arrested for assault.
 
If the blazers had Draymond, Nurk would last about four days before requesting a trade
 
Natebishop3 said:
All I see in that video was that Poole looks like he's talking shit, Draymond got into his face, and Poole shoved him. Draymond shouldn't have hit him, but we can't hear what Poole is saying. It's very clear that Poole is talking shit.
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All I see is Draymond running his mouth like he always does.
 
THE HCP said:
The main thing I got from this video is no teammates ran over to break it up til the end. Only coaches. That lets you know how they feel about Poole as a teammate.
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Or they were like “Here goes Draymond again, we’ve seen this play out 1,000,000 times; nothing to see here”
 
@Tince the timing of this is kinda funny after our conversation.



Charged with assault for shoving a camera man.
 
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