Trade Ideas 2024 Offseason

[Pinwheel1]

I’ rather deal Simons or Grant before giving up Ayton.

It comes down to who is the easiest to replace. Ayton is not untouchable, but overall he is the best center we have had in a long time. Maybe not an elite defender but it is adequate to go along with his very good offense. I would not trade him either.

 

[SharpesTriumph]

I’ rather deal Simons or Grant before giving up Ayton.

Agreed.

I'd certainly make Ayton available though for the right return (FRPs).

To your point though - he's the one veteran that is a legit average starting level player, and also young enough to help a number of seasons from now after a rebuild.

 

[SharpesTriumph]

Hoopshype

2024-25 Cap Figure: $160,987,734

Cap Space Projection: No cap space; tax adjacent, as constructed

The rebuilding Blazers are still a long way from having the salary cap room that a rebuild usually entails, but these things take time to coordinate. Specifically, they want to – and should be expected to – find homes for Deandre Ayton and Malcolm Brogdon over the summer, as well as possibly doing the same for Robert Williams and Matisse Thybulle. Much is therefore in limbo. Yet with a rebuilding journey to go on and a timeline to establish, it seems certain that the Blazers will be cutting both immediate and future salaries.

Amazing in a bad way that we have a 21 win team dead last in the western conference but in the luxury tax.

 

[Hoopguru]

Check out this ledger of teams that will be paying a hefty tax possibly?
2024-25 NBA Team Tax TrackerSpotrac.comhttps://www.spotrac.com › sort › cap_maximum_space


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[Phatguysrule]

The Blazers are certainly going to dodge the tax.

So who will they trade away to do that?

I think they'd be happy to unload Timelord or Thybulle, with their negative value deals we probably have to give up a pick swap or something to do that.

Would the Blazers dump Ant or Brogdon for tax savings?

Never would've considered that when Paul Allen owned the team, but now with a bottom 5 NBA ownership group it may be a strong possibility.

This is why I was so against the Thybulle contract.... If an Ant/Brogdon salary dump happens we'll probably get a bunch of Cronin apologists here saying his hands were tied since these guys have little trade value

No giving up picks or pick swaps. No thank you.

 

[B-Roy]

I think they'd be happy to unload Timelord or Thybulle, with their negative value deals we probably have to give up a pick swap or something to do that.

They could have traded Timelord at the trade deadline for expirings and 3 seconds. That is what Houston paid for Steven Adams and I'm sure they would have preferred Timelord.

I'm also confident they could have traded Brogdon for Fultz and a second or something from Orlando. Fultz was expiring.

Both deals would have gotten the Blazers out of the tax for next year and we would have been compensated for doing so. So I feel fairly confident the Blazers are not going to have to pay to dump a player. Besides, tax is calculated as of the end of the year. The Blazers have basically 3 trade cycles (Draft, FA, Trade Deadline) to make deals to get under the tax. There's no real pressure to dump a player for nothing until next Feb.

 

[CJ_is_Gone]

They could have traded Timelord at the trade deadline for expirings and 3 seconds. That is what Houston paid for Steven Adams and I'm sure they would have preferred Timelord.

I'm also confident they could have traded Brogdon for Fultz and a second or something from Orlando. Fultz was expiring.

Both deals would have gotten the Blazers out of the tax for next year and we would have been compensated for doing so. So I feel fairly confident the Blazers are not going to have to pay to dump a player. Besides, tax is calculated as of the end of the year. The Blazers have basically 3 trade cycles (Draft, FA, Trade Deadline) to make deals to get under the tax. There's no real pressure to dump a player for nothing until next Feb.

Agreed.
With the amount of teams with money available, and the dearth of good Free Agents -> I fully expect a trade before the season begins to get Portland out of the tax zone.
Some team will miss out on FA, and then will be looking at the trade market for decent players.

 

[SharpesTriumph]

They could have traded Timelord at the trade deadline for expirings and 3 seconds. That is what Houston paid for Steven Adams and I'm sure they would have preferred Timelord.

I'm also confident they could have traded Brogdon for Fultz and a second or something from Orlando. Fultz was expiring.

Both deals would have gotten the Blazers out of the tax for next year and we would have been compensated for doing so. So I feel fairly confident the Blazers are not going to have to pay to dump a player. Besides, tax is calculated as of the end of the year. The Blazers have basically 3 trade cycles (Draft, FA, Trade Deadline) to make deals to get under the tax. There's no real pressure to dump a player for nothing until next Feb.

Perhaps the Blazers could have traded for an expiring but that is no longer possible since we're going to be in a new league year. I don't think the Blazers will wait for the trade deadline - most teams will use up their cap space so it'll be hard to cut a large ~12 million deal like the Blazers need to do. They could cut $4 million or something at the trade deadline.

But yes they have draft and free agency. I expect by mid July any such luxury tax savings deals will be done. It's really Jody/Vulcan primary objective, so they'll want to pocket that cash before they consider adding any talent.

 

[SharpesTriumph]

Agreed.
With the amount of teams with money available, and the dearth of good Free Agents -> I fully expect a trade before the season begins to get Portland out of the tax zone.
Some team will miss out on FA, and then will be looking at the trade market for decent players.

I definitely think we can trade away Ant or Brogdon to get out of the tax.

It just sucks that because of the stupid overpaid Thybulle contract and Grants deal the Blazers are in this spot.

We shouldn't be looking at trading Ant/Brogdon/others primarily to save money; we should be looking to trade them to add talent to the roster.

 

[Whyachi]

It just sucks that because of the stupid overpaid Thybulle contract and Grants deal the Blazers are in this spot.

blame Lillard !! Dame wanted a playoff team. He grabbed Cronin's wrist and forced Joe to sign Grant & Thybulle to big money deals. Then Lillard demanded a trade the following day.

UFO's, JFK, Chrissy Teigan, & Damian Lillard, all these conspiracy theories have factual evidence to back them up.

 

[B-Roy]

Perhaps the Blazers could have traded for an expiring but that is no longer possible since we're going to be in a new league year. I don't think the Blazers will wait for the trade deadline - most teams will use up their cap space so it'll be hard to cut a large ~12 million deal like the Blazers need to do. They could cut $4 million or something at the trade deadline.

But yes they have draft and free agency. I expect by mid July any such luxury tax savings deals will be done. It's really Jody/Vulcan primary objective, so they'll want to pocket that cash before they consider adding any talent.

If the number one priority was to cut salary for next year then one of the trades I highlighted would have already been made, since that would be the most guaranteed way to make sure we aren't in the tax next season.

It's a calculated risk. They held onto players because they have some reason to believe that waiting will maximize returns on those guys. And I have no reason to believe Jody isn't on board with that line of thinking because we didn't dump Timelord or Brogdon at the deadline.

Yes it could blow up in their face, but until that happens I have no reason to worry. Your logic makes no sense to me.

 

[BigGameDamian]

Will this be one of the Blazers trade targets this summer?

 

[MickZagger]

Ditch Simons just to get rid of his contract at the minimum. Make Grant and Brogdon available and if a trade makes sense than do it. Build around Scoot, Sharpe and Ayton. Role players of Walker, Blanton, Reath.

They need to still be in asset mode. Try to be shitty for another year or two.

 

[SharpesTriumph]

Will this be one of the Blazers trade targets this summer?

Oh gosh I sure hope not..... Blazers giving up multiple assets and picks for Ingram just seems like another Olshey/Cronin settle for mediocrity failure.

Blazers try to win with Ayton/Grant/Ingram/Ant and a bunch of rookies - more of the two timelines.

 

[SharpesTriumph]

Ditch Simons just to get rid of his contract at the minimum. Make Grant and Brogdon available and if a trade makes sense than do it. Build around Scoot, Sharpe and Ayton. Role players of Walker, Blanton, Reath.

They need to still be in asset mode. Try to be shitty for another year or two.

Yes they should be in asset mode. But that means trading Simons for an asset - not dumping him just to save luxury tax. After February it will be an expiring deal so his contracts isn't that bad.

Yes for sure trade away Grant and Brogdon.

 

[LayneStaley]

Can you imagine Simons and BI on the same team with the same baby momma lol.

 

[Natebishop3]

Can you imagine Simons and BI on the same team with the same baby momma lol.

They can split daycare costs.

 

[Phatguysrule]

Will this be one of the Blazers trade targets this summer?

Sincerely hope not.

 

[Phatguysrule]

Ditch Simons just to get rid of his contract at the minimum. Make Grant and Brogdon available and if a trade makes sense than do it. Build around Scoot, Sharpe and Ayton. Role players of Walker, Blanton, Reath.

They need to still be in asset mode. Try to be shitty for another year or two.

100%. Turn Simons, Brogdon and Grant into 2 or 3 first rounders in the next couple years if at all possible.

 

[Whyachi]

Can you imagine Simons and BI on the same team with the same baby momma lol.

Keep Portland Weird... it also applies to their basketball program. This team thrives in unusual circumstances.

 

[Whyachi]

Spurs fans want Booker. Maybe Joe can get in there and swindle a 3 way ?

 

[1 Eye Jack]

Wonder what two lottery picks in this years draft and either Grant, Simons or Brogdon gets you?

there’s got to be some playoff teams that would love to have one of those 3 veterans.

 

[Sheldon Shape]

Wonder what two lottery picks in this years draft and either Grant, Simons or Brogdon gets you?

there’s got to be some playoff teams that would love to have one of those 3 veterans.

I really hope they don't try to fast track us to get better by trading for a vet. Didn't work with adding Grant and Brogdon.

 

[Chris Craig]

Spurs fans want Booker. Maybe Joe can get in there and swindle a 3 way ?

I think the Suns front office is still in denial and is going to run their trio back.

 

[Whyachi]

I think the Suns front office is still in denial and is going to run their trio back.

Phoenix is fun! Other then the playoffs, they did better then i thought they would. They won a bunch of games, and their fans can watch games on TV for hella cheap.

It's a completely opposite approach in Portland. Horrible basketball, ridicoulous cable prices, blacked out games, benching starters, and a closed door Front Office.

If the Suns front office is in somewhat denial, at least they have open doors and approachable management.

I get the tanking for picks, trust the process. But after watching soo many beatdowns for 3 years straight, and teams like Houston & Atlanta get top picks...

... it makes Portland look like dorks

 

[Natebishop3]

Phoenix is fun! Other then the playoffs, they did better then i thought they would. They won a bunch of games, and their fans can watch games on TV for hella cheap.

It's a completely opposite approach in Portland. Horrible basketball, ridicoulous cable prices, blacked out games, benching starters, and a closed door Front Office.

If the Suns front office is in somewhat denial, at least they have open doors and approachable management.

I get the tanking for picks, trust the process. But after watching soo many beatdowns for 3 years straight, and teams like Houston & Atlanta get top picks...

... it makes Portland look like dorks

Brother… the Suns future looks bleak as fuck. They don’t own their picks forever. Durant is 35. Beal is terrible and has one of the worst contracts in the league. They have no depth. No point guard. They just got swept out of the playoffs in the first round. They’re completely screwed.

Our future looks a million times better right now.

 

[Cugel]

PHX pretty much has to run it back

 

[Natebishop3]

PHX pretty much has to run it back

They’re committed. Their only choice is to completely blow it up for any picks they can get their hands on. Send out Booker and Durant. They’re stuck with Beal.

 

[Ripcity4life77]

Nate -- not looking to start anything -- but WHY - Do you think the teams future looks bright ?

As long as Billups is the coach this team is kind of doomed and I am leaving Cronin out of this since I know we do not agree on that point at all -- LOL

 

[Whyachi]

Brother… the Suns future looks bleak as fuck. They don’t own their picks forever. Durant is 35. Beal is terrible and has one of the worst contracts in the league. They have no depth. No point guard. They just got swept out of the playoffs in the first round. They’re completely screwed.

Our future looks a million times better right now.

Our best player is a retired HOF coach.

It was ping pong day. Fans were supposed to be lighting fireworks, and instead we see media labeling the bad bounce as financial benefits for Jody.

The Suns got smeared in the playoffs. They have no picks. Just like the dumbass Clippers. It skips the part they win.. it makes the season fun. Even if PHX/LAC had a pick, it would stink.

We can bash on teams that don't have picks now, but eventually those team's lost picks will come back around.

If the Blazers don't clear house, and truly trust the process, they might get stuck in the rebuilding loop.

TRADE TRADE TRADE, i don't know why it stopped. Hoping this summer will shed more answers.