Trade Ideas 2024 Offseason

[SharpesTriumph]

It will be fascinating to see, if and when we trade him, what value we get (or give up) to move Grant.

The Blazers got him for essentially a first and two seconds (and unfortunately we still need to send those in 2025 and 2026) along with Detroit not having to take any contracts back since we had a trade exception.

He's now two years older, he's had two more injury-shortened years (that's four in a row now, for those keeping track!), and he's owed $132m over the next four (while he was only owed $21m for a single year at the time the Blazers acquired him).

I look at that and I wonder... do we get a second rounder? Do we have to give up a second rounder to get rid of him? While it hurts that we won't have the Bucks' first rounder next year, the amount of value we gave up for Grant just wasn't that much, and he's less valuable now than he was two years ago, so... **shrug**

The Blazers need to hold out for a team that is a bit desperate and projects Grant to be their 4th starter to just possibly push them over the hill and contend. Maybe they have an injured player on a worse contract to give us with a pick.

If thats not available this summer the Blazers should just wait until the trade deadline - perhaps another teams starter gets a season ending injury and then they explore that deal.

I wouldn't give up value to dump Grant - makes more sense to keep him and hope the dynamics change so he has value later - as well as when there are fewer seasons on his contract.

Might be reasons that any of Brogdon/Grant/Ant/Ayton/etc don't have value now on the trade market and the Blazers should keep one of them. But when shopping all of those guys I'd suspect one or two of them will have a good trade offer this summer.

 

[Sheldon Shape]

That feels unlikely to me, but perhaps I'm just down on Ant's value. I think Ivey+5 for Ant would be a freaking steal (especially given the salary savings).

Feels very likely to me. They are desperate for shooting and don't want to play the development game.

 

[Sheldon Shape]

Highly doubt we can get Ant for #5.

I think Detroit would easily do it.

 

[Sheldon Shape]

Any young team like Detroit who is above us in the lottery would just take Reed (or Knech) instead of trading additional value to get Ant.
IMO if you want to trade Ant you need to look at teams behind us in the draft.

Detroit has been doing this forever. They aren't as interested in picking and developing. They'd rather have t the sure thing at this point. Ant would immediately be there #2 next to Cade.

 

[Sheldon Shape]

What’s your salary match, Fournier? league year doesn’t start until 7/1, Pistons would have to pick up his TO before draft night.

I think I’d rather flip Ant for future draft capital vs further investing in a bad draft.

Ivey needs lots of development time before the extension question; might be hard to swing with lots of scoot/sharpe minutes.

They're under the cap. Ivey plus 5 works.

 

[Sheldon Shape]

Then (unless this is the worst draft in history) that should happen without hesitation. I'm not sure we can, though.

"Worst draft" is a meaningless term. If the Blazers do this, they do it with a specific player in mind like Clingan.

 

[Sheldon Shape]

Are you saying Ant is worth more than #5? I don't think so. Fans on this board are on two extremes;

Either build up Ants value like he's a borderline allstar that will get a haul

Or saying he's so worthless and a negative to the team we should dump him just for luxury tax savings.

You're making it a mythical number. This is a weaker draft. What does Detroit need? Shooting. Ant is one of the best and he'd immediately be a 20+ point a night scorer. Detroit would be all over this.

 

[Sheldon Shape]

I would tend to agree with this stance (not surprising, given that we have already stipulated that @illmatic99 and I differ vastly in terms of perception of Ant's value)

I generally agree, but not to Detroit. They could use Ant much more than those other two guys.

 

[Sheldon Shape]

Yes I think it's a reasonable contract, and I think Ant does have value.

But I think the #5 pick is on a much much better contract, a great contract, as well as having more upside. I'd greatly prefer #5.

Contract and upside is irrelevant. Ivey had upside. How has that turned out? Detroit is ready to get better. Reed and Dalton are not sure fire starters in this league. Ant would be for Detroit and be there #2. Ant at 25 mil is not a bad deal at all.

 

[Sheldon Shape]

yeah, I got a little lost.....Somebody said Ant + 7 for Keldon Johnson + 4 and it immediately morphed into a discussion on #5

Ant for 5 with no salary coming back is interesting but Detroit has no cap-space

Real GM says Ivey plus 5 for Ant works.

 

[Sheldon Shape]

If I were Orlando I would seriously look at Ant, #7, #14 for Franz. They get his replacement at #7

Now I said Orlando should offer it, I am not saying Portland should accept it. Not if Cody Williams is available.
But Orlando does have the cap space to do it.

Disgusting for Portland.

 

[SharpesTriumph]

Contract and upside is irrelevant. Ivey had upside. How has that turned out?

What a moronic post, glad your not the GM.

Some players like Ant (Edward) hit nearly all of their upside and others fall far short. Thats called variance.

The variance is all the reason the Blazers need MORE highly drafted players like Scoot/Sharpe/#7/#5 if possible/etc. Many of these guys won't hit. The more swings we take the more hits we get, and hopefully at some point we score.

 

[Sheldon Shape]

What a moronic post, glad your not the GM.

Some players like Ant (Edward) hit nearly all of their upside and others fall far short. Thats called variance.

The variance is all the reason the Blazers need MORE highly drafted players like Scoot/Sharpe/#7/#5 if possible/etc. Many of these guys won't hit. The more swings we take the more hits we get, and hopefully at some point we score.

Context. You're making my case for me. It's irrelevant for a team like Detroit who has been horrible for so long. Look how Ivey has turned out so far.

They would easily give up 5 for a sure thing like Ant who has plenty of room to grow. Try to follow along.

 

[Samuel]

They're under the cap. Ivey plus 5 works.

they will have cap space next league year but in 23-24 they're operating as an over the cap team.

you're referring to the 24-25 pistons with renounced cap holds and declined players, which begins 7/1/24 (after draft night).

 

[SharpesTriumph]

they will have cap space next league year but in 23-24 they're operating as an over the cap team.

you're referring to the 24-25 pistons with renounced cap holds and declined players, which begins 7/1/24 (after draft night).

Trades are often agreed to at or before the draft but finalized in the next cap year.

 

[Samuel]

Trades are often agreed to at or before the draft but finalized in the next cap year.

No, I wouldn't use the word often.

It does happen, but it becomes more complex especially when there are other moving parts.

Note for everyone: Fanspo has already defaulted to the 24-25 league year for these trades, so keep that in mind when making stuff up. The timeline is important.

 

[Natebishop3]

Is this terrible?



I'd take Risacher at 3 and then whoever drops to 7 that we like. Probably BPA

 

[illmatic99]

Is this terrible?

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I'd take Risacher at 3 and then whoever drops to 7 that we like. Probably BPA

And rockets get a rookie PG at 7?

I would do this.

BK might consider as well seeing as how they have no incentive to tank.

 

[Samuel]

Is this terrible?

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I'd take Risacher at 3 and then whoever drops to 7 that we like. Probably BPA

What's the FVV rationale for Houston and BKN?

 

[Natebishop3]

Here's my early summer wishlist:

Trade 1
Grant/Thybulle/#14 to Houston
FVV to Brooklyn
Simmons/#3/2025 PHX pick to Portland

Trade 2
Simons/Brogdon/Williams to Golden State
Paul/Kuminga/Wiggins/2026 pick to PDX

Warriors get one more influx of talent to try to make a run with Steph. Blazers try to move Paul/Wiggins somewhere and just eat Simmons. He probably doesn't play anyway. He only has one year left.

Scoot
Sharpe
Risacher
Kuminga
Ayton

 

[Natebishop3]

What's the FVV rationale for Houston and BKN?

Brooklyn gets rid of Simmons, they get a starting/fringe All-Star point guard in FVV. There's no incentive for them to tank. I just don't see any point in Portland taking back FVV.

 

[illmatic99]

What's the FVV rationale for Houston and BKN?

Dont see houston adding to their glut of wings. They need guards.

 

[Samuel]

Dont see houston adding to their glut of wings. They need guards.

Yeah I thought they liked FVV.

 

[Natebishop3]

And rockets get a rookie PG at 7?

I would do this.

BK might consider as well seeing as how they have no incentive to tank.

I was kinda hoping we could keep 7 and send them 14. You think they'd insist on 7?

 

[Natebishop3]

How about this



Rockets get Grant/Brogdon/14 and 2025 PHX pick.

Is that too step for the #3?

 

[Sheldon Shape]

How about this

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Rockets get Grant/Brogdon/14 and 2025 PHX pick.

Is that too step for the #3?

Not bad. I've heard they want to trade #3 for Bridges of Brooklyn. Not sure if Brooklyn is finally willing to let Mikael go but that's their thought process from what I've heard. I actually think throwing in 14 is overkill but I mostly like it.

 

[Natebishop3]

Not bad. I've heard they want to trade #3 for Bridges of Brooklyn. Not sure if Brooklyn is finally willing to let Mikael go but that's their thought process from what I've heard. I actually think throwing in 14 is overkill but I mostly like it.

I guess it all depends on whether Portland really offered Simons/#3 last year. All reports I heard was that we did. I can't imagine Brooklyn trading Bridges for #3 in a weak draft after turning down Simons/Scoot.

 

[Natebishop3]

 

[Samuel]

If Portland trades up I want it to be with basketball players, not the 14 pick. If they're using the 14 pick in a trade it should be to sweeten another package or to trade for a future pick on draft night after someone becomes enamored.

 

[Samuel]

I don't see this happening until after the draft when future picks are opened up.