Trade Ideas 2024 Offseason

[SharpesTriumph]

That's fair because the opportunity there is pretty wide open but I think if they haven't found a better trade than Ant for Black and one of their 2025 FRPs then they'd pull the trigger on that the second day of the draft if Joe makes it available.

I suspect Cronin and the Blazers wont make Ant available - they didn't get to see any of him with Sharpe last season and want to see how all 3 of our guards work together first.

Who knows though - if Ant's comments at the end of the season of wanting to win are something he's expressed to Joe and not just a passing thought maybe the Blazers pursue something.

Also I'd imagine Joe and the Blazers now know their last season win with vets plan won't work. So perhaps they commit to tank for Flag from the get go.

 

[Natebishop3]

I suspect Cronin and the Blazers wont make Ant available - they didn't get to see any of him with Sharpe last season and want to see how all 3 of our guards work together first.

Who knows though - if Ant's comments at the end of the season of wanting to win are something he's expressed to Joe and not just a passing thought maybe the Blazers pursue something.

Also I'd imagine Joe and the Blazers now know their last season win with vets plan won't work. So perhaps they commit to tank for Flag from the get go.

I have no idea what they're going to do, but this is the summer to blow it up. Trade Simons/Brogdon/Grant/Thybulle and whoever. Go all-in on the youth and tank to try to get Flagg.

 

[Natebishop3]

Simons/RWIII to Orlando for WCJ/Black/2025 FRP

Brogdon/Grant to Pistons for Fournier/Ivey/#5

Draft Risacher at 5
Draft BPA at 7
Draft BPA at 14

 

[PtldPlatypus]

Simons/RWIII to Orlando for WCJ/Black/2025 FRP

Brogdon/Grant to Pistons for Fournier/Ivey/#5

Draft Risacher at 5
Draft BPA at 7
Draft BPA at 14

Why would the Pistons want Grant back? They seemed pretty happy to let him go for cap space.

 

[e_blazer]

I have no idea what they're going to do, but this is the summer to blow it up. Trade Simons/Brogdon/Grant/Thybulle and whoever. Go all-in on the youth and tank to try to get Flagg.

Flagg scares me…in the same way that Adam Morrison scared me.

 

[PtldPlatypus]

Flagg scares me…in the same way that Adam Morrison scared me.

Has Flagg been caught crying in a playoff game?

 

[e_blazer]

Has Flagg been caught crying in a playoff game?

Not yet.

 

[Natebishop3]

Why would the Pistons want Grant back? They seemed pretty happy to let him go for cap space.

I can't remember which podcast I was listening to, but essentially the thought is that the GM is desperate to make a move that makes them relevant. Or he's likely dead man walking.

 

[Ripcity4life77]

I watched that locked on Blazers podcast and his ( Richman's ) take on Ant was correct that Ant is a good player but not good enough to lift this team to the next level ( play in team for starting point ) at least how the team is built now. The problem is he is prolly the best trade chip they have atm so they have to use it AFTER this draft. I think this draft will give us a clue to how they plan to proceed like if they draft a guard with one of the two picks then Ant has to be gone this summer BUT if they take a forward and a center maybe power forward type then Ant is prolly here to stay for another year.

I want to make something clear I do like Ant but I am coming around to the idea that kind of like Dame but different his time on the Blazers might need to end for the team to move forward. I am not totally sold on this but I am coming around but I would like to see a clearer picture on how they plan to build this team.

 

[PtldPlatypus]

I can't remember which podcast I was listening to, but essentially the thought is that the GM is desperate to make a move that makes them relevant. Or he's likely dead man walking.

He may be, but dealing 2 #5 overall picks for a guy they previously traded away for a late-future-first sounds like the kind of thing that would nail his coffin shut.

 

[Shaboid]

Flagg scares me…in the same way that Adam Morrison scared me.

Does he have to give himself daily insulin shots?

 

[Natebishop3]

He may be, but dealing 2 #5 overall picks for a guy they previously traded away for a late-future-first sounds like the kind of thing that would nail his coffin shut.

That’s one way to look at it. The other is that Ivey has been a bust so far and the #5 this year isn’t worth nearly as much as other #5 picks. I guess it depends on whether Detroit is trying to tank again or if they’re hoping to make a run.

Cade
Brogdon
Thompson
Grant
Duren

That’s a pretty solid starting lineup.

 

[SheedSoNasty]

We eat Balls

whatever you do, don’t type that into your search bar.

 

[Samuel]

Simons/RWIII to Orlando for WCJ/Black/2025 FRP

Brogdon/Grant to Pistons for Fournier/Ivey/#5

Draft Risacher at 5
Draft BPA at 7
Draft BPA at 14

can you sell me on ivey? i'm not seeing it.

 

[beast blazer]

A Magic/Blazers trade involving Simons could make sense for both teams. I wanted WCJ last year. It would be interesting to see him and Ayton play together.

Isaac would have been great 5 years ago, but at this point, he's a salary dump. But I'd take him in exchange for Orlando taking our good but always injured player, RW3.

 

[Samuel]

A Magic/Blazers trade involving Simons could make sense for both teams. I wanted WCJ last year. It would be interesting to see him and Ayton play together.

Isaac would have been great 5 years ago, but at this point, he's a salary dump. But I'd take him in exchange for Orlando taking our good but always injured player, RW3.

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I'm not sure why RWIII/Isaac need to be in the trade--might as well just keep RWIII and rehabilitate him since he's only on $12.4M. Also I'd probably make Magic sweeten the pot a tick more.

 

[Sheldon Shape]

can you sell me on ivey? i'm not seeing it.

It's less about Ivey as it is about the pick. Though for your troubles, you're getting a lottery level talent just a couple years ago. He's obviously a very talented player. Can he be functional? Who knows, but it's worth taking a shot if you're getting a top 5 pick for a couple of veterans.

 

[PtldPlatypus]

That’s one way to look at it. The other is that Ivey has been a bust so far and the #5 this year isn’t worth nearly as much as other #5 picks. I guess it depends on whether Detroit is trying to tank again or if they’re hoping to make a run.

Cade
Brogdon
Thompson
Grant
Duren

That’s a pretty solid starting lineup.

Hey, I'd be all for it if Cronin could pull it off. I'm just saying that it seems like a great way for the Pistons GM to get replaced by Billups.

On that note, I'm even more on board.

 

[SharpesTriumph]

Boston advances to 6th ECF in 8 years - impressive. Thats why owning other teams draft picks is so important for a rebuild - as the Celtics did in the Nets trade which got them Tatum and Brown.

Blazers did good getting 3 years of Bucks picks and Boston pick all unprotected in the Dame trade. Hopefully we can get a couple more by sending out Brogdon and Grant - possibly Ant or Ayton as well.

2031 picks will be available in July for trades. I know some posters here don't like the idea of picks in far off years - but you have to remember these are like owning stocks. You don't have to wait for a company to liquidate to cash out stock, you just sell it much sooner whenever you need cash. In the 2025 draft we could trade away some future picks to move up or get a star. Or when Scoot/Sharpe/others are getting close to competing for the playoffs we could trade away picks for that last key starter (Jrue/Gobert/Aaron Gordon/etc)

 

[wizenheimer]

Boston advances to 6th ECF in 8 years - impressive. Thats why owning other teams draft picks is so important for a rebuild - as the Celtics did in the Nets trade which got them Tatum and Brown.

Blazers did good getting 3 years of Bucks picks and Boston pick all unprotected in the Dame trade. Hopefully we can get a couple more by sending out Brogdon and Grant - possibly Ant or Ayton as well.

significant difference between the two situations though

Brown was drafted 3 years after the Nets trade. As far as those future picks, the first unencumbered pick is 6 years after the Dame trade. Maybe the Blazers will hit it out of the park with #14 this draft, but that seems unlikely

 

[SharpesTriumph]

significant difference between the two situations though

Brown was drafted 3 years after the Nets trade. As far as those future picks, the first unencumbered pick is 6 years after the Dame trade. Maybe the Blazers will hit it out of the park with #14 this draft, but that seems unlikely

I see that as a big advantage, not a disadvantage. Boston and Milwaukee this year were at the top of the east standings. Give them a few years of spending deep in the luxury tax, possible repeater tax, lack of adding youth that will peak in ~4 years, keep older players that take up more cap space while contributing less wins each year and then those picks are likely to become much, much better.

If we had more veteran talent now that was taking the step up to contending in the next 3 years maybe I would prefer earlier picks though. Or if I was well into my 70's. But even with these points its not a huge problem as the picks can always be traded away sooner if need be.

One type of possibility I'd like to see is something such as Scoot/Sharpe/rookie/etc players now develop to become key starters on a contender the next few years. We become a more exciting team that is fighting for the playoffs but still needs another key piece. Then in 2029 we draft that last player who is a young stud and gets this team to contend as Edwards did in Minnesota, or Wade did his first couple years in Miami, etc.

 

[wizenheimer]

I see that as a big advantage, not a disadvantage. Boston and Milwaukee this year were at the top of the east standings. Give them a few years of spending deep in the luxury tax, possible repeater tax, lack of adding youth that will peak in ~4 years, keep older players that take up more cap space while contributing less wins each year and then those picks are likely to become much, much better.

If we had more veteran talent now that was taking the step up to contending in the next 3 years maybe I would prefer earlier picks though. Or if I was well into my 70's. But even with these points its not a huge problem as the picks can always be traded away sooner if need be.

One type of possibility I'd like to see is something such as Scoot/Sharpe/rookie/etc players now develop to become key starters on a contender the next few years. We become a more exciting team that is fighting for the playoffs but still needs another key piece. Then in 2029 we draft that last player who is a young stud and gets this team to contend as Edwards did in Minnesota, or Wade did his first couple years in Miami, etc.

sorry, don't agree. Portland traded away the franchise player and the 'best' asset they got was 6 years after the trade....and it's completely unknown how good that asset is. You have staked out a position that the Dame trade was a "haul". It's no surprise to me that your view of the draft picks is so positive. Now, that's not to say I don't have my bias just like you do. But my bias was that trading Dame was going to immediately lead to a bad team, for years; unless Cronin locks Portland into a play-in purgatory.

Also, my bias is that I'm 72 and even if those picks in 2029 are great, the players won't be making a big impact until they are 3 or 4 years into their careers. I'd be over 80 by the time the Dame trade pays off...fuck that

 

[Natebishop3]

sorry, don't agree. Portland traded away the franchise player and the 'best' asset they got was 6 years after the trade....and it's completely unknown how good that asset is. You have staked out a position that the Dame trade was a "haul". It's no surprise to me that your view of the draft picks is so positive. Now, that's not to say I don't have my bias just like you do. But my bias was that trading Dame was going to immediately lead to a bad team, for years. Also, my bias is that I'm 72 and even if those picks in 2029 are great, the players won't be making a big impact until they are 3 or 4 years into their careers. I'd be over 80 by the time the Dame trade pays off...fuck that

If we're not able to turn Brogdon and Williams into anything, I'm going to sour on the Dame trade a bit.

 

[wizenheimer]

If we're not able to turn Brogdon and Williams into anything, I'm going to sour on the Dame trade a bit.

Brogdon might fetch something but I doubt it will be much. It would likely be from one of the teams that has been eliminated from these playoffs and is in total win-now mode. Best might be a lottery protected 1st

Timelord? I have a hard time any team will pay much for those knees

 

[Hoopguru]

If we're not able to turn Brogdon and Williams into anything, I'm going to sour on the Dame trade a bit.

Its will be easier for Joe to be nice guy and trade both to teams they approve versus maximizing a return for them. Good GM'S maximize.

 

[LayneStaley]

Anyway we can get Cavs to take Grant in part of an Allen deal? That’s a player I’d like here .

 

[Tince]

Flagg scares me…in the same way that Adam Morrison scared me.

What are the similarities between Morrison and Flagg? I can think of one, and it has nothing to do with basketball.

Flagg is LESS scary to me than Chet is/was.

 

[e_blazer]

What are the similarities between Morrison and Flagg? I can think of one, and it has nothing to do with basketball.

Flagg is LESS scary to me than Chet is/was.

Okay, now you have me wondering what the similarity is that you’re thinking about. I don’t know anything about either guy’s personal life. My “thought” was that they were similar body types- 6’8 or 6’9 and a bit over 200 pounds. Guys like that can have a tough time adjusting their games to the stronger, faster competition. Flagg’s reportedly amazing and he’s more athletic than Ammo, I’m just hesitant to go all in on the future of a 17 year old as team savior when he hasn’t even played at the college level yet.

 

[Tince]

Okay, now you have me wondering what the similarity is that you’re thinking about. I don’t know anything about either guy’s personal life. My “thought” was that they were similar body types- 6’8 or 6’9 and a bit over 200 pounds. Guys like that can have a tough time adjusting their games to the stronger, faster competition. Flagg’s reportedly amazing and he’s more athletic than Ammo, I’m just hesitant to go all in on the future of a 17 year old as team savior when he hasn’t even played at the college level yet.

I hear you and if I thought Flagg was likely to struggle with stronger/faster competition (relative to his peers), I would agree with your comparison. I think Flagg is more built than Morrison was at a similar age, but more importantly he's a more physical player comfortable with contact. By all accounts, Flagg is thought to have a real solid chance of being an All-NBA Defensive player, where the opposite was thought of Morrison. Morrison was a better shooter, but I'd say Flagg is the better passer.

I also agree with you that you don't want Flagg to be "the savior". You want him to be on a roster where he's best #2 option in the NBA, kinda like you wanted Pippen to be that guy. I don't think he's going to have a Wemby type impact.

 

[Natebishop3]

I hear you and if I thought Flagg was likely to struggle with stronger/faster competition (relative to his peers), I would agree with your comparison. I think Flagg is more built than Morrison was at a similar age, but more importantly he's a more physical player comfortable with contact. By all accounts, Flagg is thought to have a real solid chance of being an All-NBA Defensive player, where the opposite was thought of Morrison. Morrison was a better shooter, but I'd say Flagg is the better passer.

I also agree with you that you don't want Flagg to be "the savior". You want him to be on a roster where he's best #2 option in the NBA, kinda like you wanted Pippen to be that guy. I don't think he's going to have a Wemby type impact.

Why is it that people tend to compare white players with white players?