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How many players on our current roster will we trade this offseason?

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not only does every Blazer get A's and B's for end of season grades... Portland can easily trade #7 & #14 picks to move up and draft Sarr at #1, while also dumping Thybulle's beefy contract on Atlanta to avoid Cronin's self induced tax dillemma.

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Natebishop3 said:
Simons/RWIII to Orlando for WCJ/Black/2025 FRP

Brogdon/Grant to Pistons for Fournier/Ivey/#5

Draft Risacher at 5
Draft BPA at 7
Draft BPA at 14
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The Orlando trade is horrible. Ant alone for WCJ is a rip off, 2025 FRP wont be a high pick if Orlando makes the playoffs again. What do you guys see in WCJ? Super injury prone too, he is nothing special. Odd take from you guys, and if you want to pair Carter and Ayton, even more hilarious.
 
wizenheimer said:
sorry, don't agree. Portland traded away the franchise player and the 'best' asset they got was 6 years after the trade....and it's completely unknown how good that asset is. You have staked out a position that the Dame trade was a "haul". It's no surprise to me that your view of the draft picks is so positive. Now, that's not to say I don't have my bias just like you do. But my bias was that trading Dame was going to immediately lead to a bad team, for years; unless Cronin locks Portland into a play-in purgatory.

Also, my bias is that I'm 72 and even if those picks in 2029 are great, the players won't be making a big impact until they are 3 or 4 years into their careers. I'd be over 80 by the time the Dame trade pays off...fuck that
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We got more for Damian than we did for the loss of Drexler,Wallace,Roy, and Aldridge combined. Which is to say, at least we got something instead nothing.

We all know that sucking for a bit is better for the future than having Dame carry us to first round exits.
 
sheed30 said:
The Orlando trade is horrible. Ant alone for WCJ is a rip off, 2025 FRP wont be a high pick if Orlando makes the playoffs again. What do you guys see in WCJ? Super injury prone too, he is nothing special. Odd take from you guys, and if you want to pair Carter and Ayton, even more hilarious.
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I think you under-estimate WCJ. He's a plus defender. Good rebounder, very efficient scorer, both inside and from 3. He brings roughly the same value to the PF/C position as Simons does as a guard. So it would be a roster balancing move for both teams. Especially if the Blazers end up drafting another guard.

And why can't Carter and Ayton play together like Towns and Gobert?
 
Natebishop3 said:
Simons/RWIII to Orlando for WCJ/Black/2025 FRP

Brogdon/Grant to Pistons for Fournier/Ivey/#5

Draft Risacher at 5
Draft BPA at 7
Draft BPA at 14
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Trying to picture what the general attitude in this forum would be if that vision were to actually materialize and we entered Summer League with a roster including:
  • PG: Scoot/Black/Banton
  • SG: Sharpe/Thybulle/Ivey/Fournier
  • SF: Camara/Cody Williams/Rupert
  • PF: Risacher/Walker/Murray
  • C: Ayton/WCJ/Ware/Reath
I'd have a tough time not being excited about the future of that roster, even if I wouldn't expect many wins over the next couple seasons.
 
beast crnjo said:
I think you under-estimate WCJ. He's a plus defender. Good rebounder, very efficient scorer, both inside and from 3. He brings roughly the same value to the PF/C position as Simons does as a guard. So it would be a roster balancing move for both teams. Especially if the Blazers end up drafting another guard.

And why can't Carter and Ayton play together like Towns and Gobert?
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I think you overate WCJ, and by a big margin.

First off, he isn’t a good rebounder, he is an average one. Last season his rebounds dipped and he only averaged 6.9 reb per game as a center.

He isn’t very efficient from 3, as you stated. He is a career 33.4% from 3.

He is super super injury prone. He averages 45 game played per season in 8 season lol. That’s horrible. And once again was injured with many different injuries last season.

The reason him and Ayton are way different that Gobert and Towns is because Towns is a great 3% shooter and can spread the floor. Towns is a career 39.7% from 3.

Way different and once again you guys are overrating WCJ greatly and I’m glad none of you are GM’s lol
 
sheed30 said:
First off, he isn’t a good rebounder, he is an average one. Last season his rebounds dipped and he only averaged 6.9 reb per game as a center.
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His minutes were also reduced. His per/36 did decrease, but it was still a very solid 9.8. Career rebounds per/36 is 11.1. He's just fine as a rebounder.

sheed30 said:
He isn’t very efficient from 3, as you stated. He is a career 33.4% from 3.
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Over the past 3 years, he's at 35% from 3. Not KAT-level, sure, but certainly respectable.

sheed30 said:
He is super super injury prone. He averages 45 game played per season in 8 season lol. That’s horrible. And once again was injured with many different injuries last season.
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Certainly a concern... but less of an issue than with RW3, who would also be sent over in the trade proposal to which you responded.

I look at this as
  • Ant for Black/2025 FRP
  • RW3 for WCJ
IMO, the benefit to us in upgrading from RW3 to WCJ is greater than the detriment of sending Ant out for a prospect and a pick, so overall it's a good deal for us.
 
sheed30 said:
I think you overate WCJ, and by a big margin.

First off, he isn’t a good rebounder, he is an average one. Last season his rebounds dipped and he only averaged 6.9 reb per game as a center.

He isn’t very efficient from 3, as you stated. He is a career 33.4% from 3.

He is super super injury prone. He averages 45 game played per season in 8 season lol. That’s horrible. And once again was injured with many different injuries last season.

The reason him and Ayton are way different that Gobert and Towns is because Towns is a great 3% shooter and can spread the floor. Towns is a career 39.7% from 3.

Way different and once again you guys are overrating WCJ greatly and I’m glad none of you are GM’s lol
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who are you talking about?

WCJ has played 6 seasons, not 8; and he has averaged 55 games (adjusted for Covid), not 45. That's still not good, granted, and would be a major concern with adding him

I think you are underrating him as a rebounder. He posted a high of an 18.5% rebound rate in 2021-22; that ranked 13th in the NBA. His career average is 17% which would have ranked him 20th this season. He did dip to 15.9% this season. But that was still a better rate than Sengun, Holmgren KAT, Myles Turner, Naz Reid, Zach Collins, Markkanen, and Porzingis. And he happens to play on one of the best rebounding teams in the league. Orlando ranked 2nd in defensive rebounding rate and 7th in offensive rebounding rate; meaning his teammates are grabbing rebounds that he might normally secure

as far as his three-point shooting, I really don't think that's too important. Ayton never shoots them and no Ayton fan here says that's a negative. WCJ has improved quite a bit from three in any event: in the last 2 seasons he has converted 144 three's out of 396 attempts. That's a 36.4% conversion rate on 3.5 shots a game. That's right around the NBA average and that high a rate from a big changes a defense

but three's aren't the only shot in the NBA. Over the last three seasons, WCJ's TS% has been .601-->.621-->.623 while his FT rate has hovered around 31.5%. Those are very efficient numbers. Ayton's TS mark this season was .587 and he had the best mark in Portland's rotation

and of course, what was being discussed was a Simons + Timelord for WCJ + Black + 2025 first; not a straight Simons for WCJ trade. I think that's pretty unrealistic because Ant just doesn't have that kind of value, IMO. But I'd really like for Portland to find a trade partner for Ant because the Blazers+Simons has become just like the Blazers+CJ. There's no good reason to spend the salary and give him the usage that Portland does.

edit: the platypus beat me to it
 
wizenheimer said:
who are you talking about?

WCJ has played 6 seasons, not 8; and he has averaged 55 games (adjusted for Covid), not 45. That's still not good, granted, and would be a major concern with adding him

I think you are underrating him as a rebounder. He posted a high of an 18.5% rebound rate in 2021-22; that ranked 13th in the NBA. His career average is 17% which would have ranked him 20th this season. He did dip to 15.9% this season. But that was still a better rate than Sengun, Holmgren KAT, Myles Turner, Naz Reid, Zach Collins, Markkanen, and Porzingis. And he happens to play on one of the best rebounding teams in the league. Orlando ranked 2nd in defensive rebounding rate and 7th in offensive rebounding rate; meaning his teammates are grabbing rebounds that he might normally secure

as far as his three-point shooting, I really don't think that's too important. Ayton never shoots them and no Ayton fan here says that's a negative. WCJ has improved quite a bit from three in any event: in the last 2 seasons he has converted 144 three's out of 396 attempts. That's a 36.4% conversion rate on 3.5 shots a game. That's right around the NBA average and that high a rate from a big changes a defense

but three's aren't the only shot in the NBA. Over the last three seasons, WCJ's TS% has been .601-->.621-->.623 while his FT rate has hovered around 31.5%. Those are very efficient numbers. Ayton's TS mark this season was .587 and he had the best mark in Portland's rotation

and of course, what was being discussed was a Simons + Timelord for WCJ + Black + 2025 first; not a straight Simons for WCJ trade. I think that's pretty unrealistic because Ant just doesn't have that kind of value, IMO. But I'd really like for Portland to find a trade partner for Ant because the Blazers+Simons has become just like the Blazers+CJ. There's no good reason to spend the salary and give him the usage that Portland does.

edit: the platypus beat me to it
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Only because you went into far more detail than I did.
 
Natebishop3 said:
Why is it that people tend to compare white players with white players?
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It's a thing.

Michael Lewis wrote about it in The Undoing Project I think. Our mind jumps to the most simple comparisons first and goes from there.
 
PtldPlatypus said:
Trying to picture what the general attitude in this forum would be if that vision were to actually materialize and we entered Summer League with a roster including:
  • PG: Scoot/Black/Banton
  • SG: Sharpe/Thybulle/Ivey/Fournier
  • SF: Camara/Cody Williams/Rupert
  • PF: Risacher/Walker/Murray
  • C: Ayton/WCJ/Ware/Reath
I'd have a tough time not being excited about the future of that roster, even if I wouldn't expect many wins over the next couple seasons.
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I'd be far more interested in developing Ware than playing WCJ, which I guess we'd be able to for nearly half the season due to his constant injuries.
 
AmirIcon said:
I'd be far more interested in developing Ware than playing WCJ, which I guess we'd be able to for nearly half the season due to his constant injuries.
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I'd be far more interested in developing Ware, taking a chance with WCJ, and finding Ayton another zipcode
 
wizenheimer said:
I'd be far more interested in developing Ware, taking a chance with WCJ, and finding Ayton another zipcode
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If I'm moving Ant, I'm getting back Black and a 1st at a minimum. WCJ is pretty irrelevant. I'd keep Ayton for at least another year to let Ware have a skilled mentor. Probably won't be able to move Ayton for another year anyways.
 
AmirIcon said:
If I'm moving Ant, I'm getting back Black and a 1st at a minimum. WCJ is pretty irrelevant. I'd keep Ayton for at least another year to let Ware have a skilled mentor. Probably won't be able to move Ayton for another year anyways.
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Agreed. If Black + next year’s DEN 1st is the best we can get, I’m not sure I’d be fine with it, but whatever. I’m totally not on board with WCJ or Isaac as the main piece coming back. Going from DA to WCJ isn’t franchise-altering, a raw 6’7 PG with some promise could, even if unlikely.

DA + rookie + Reath is no worse than rookie + WCJ + Reath.
 
Does Keldon Johnson blow your skirt up if San Antonio is interested in Ant Simons?
 
AmirIcon said:
If I'm moving Ant, I'm getting back Black and a 1st at a minimum. WCJ is pretty irrelevant. I'd keep Ayton for at least another year to let Ware have a skilled mentor. Probably won't be able to move Ayton for another year anyways.
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Wait, you think Ant is worth last years 6 pick and another 1st? I think you are dreaming, no way is Ant worth that
 
BigGameDamian said:
Does Keldon Johnson blow your skirt up if San Antonio is interested in Ant Simons?
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Not at all, Keldon is the same issue as Ant but at a different position (will never be a starter on a good team but paid like one)
 
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BigGameDamian said:
Does Keldon Johnson blow your skirt up if San Antonio is interested in Ant Simons?
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If he was a little longer maybe. I believe he is only 6'4.75" with a 6'9" wing span. He does weigh in at 220 though.
But we need a forward if we trade Ant IMO
 
Pinwheel1 said:
If he was a little longer maybe. I believe he is only 6'4.75" with a 6'9" wing span. He does weigh in at 220 though.
But we need a forward if we trade Ant IMO
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Kelton Johnson is a real player as a shorter SF, but that’s why I’m with Black at 6’5.75” / 6’7.5” wingspan / 210 as a PG and possible point-forward.

3 guard rotation that might just together at the same time. Orlando’s timeline is ahead of the Blazers, so getting 20+ points now with Simon’s makes sense.

The question of trading for Giddey coming up with chatter about the Spurs willing to trade 8 for him is interesting, but Giddey is a PG only which the Spurs need. Black’s D helps out the Blazers. Teams hunting for Black on D should be much less an issue.
 
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Blazinaway said:
Wait, you think Ant is worth last years 6 pick and another 1st? I think you are dreaming, no way is Ant worth that
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Context. What has that pick done in one year's time? Where does the future pick project to be? Is the team trying to make the jump? And what does Orlando need more than anything?

I think Orlando would easily give up those two pieces for Ant if Cronin permitted. Ant would become the second option in an instant.
 
AmirIcon said:
Context. What has that pick done in one year's time? Where does the future pick project to be? Is the team trying to make the jump? And what does Orlando need more than anything?

I think Orlando would easily give up those two pieces for Ant if Cronin permitted. Ant would become the second option in an instant.
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Ant is not a viable 2nd option anymore than CJ was. He's only a 2nd option by default if the team lack top talent. On Orlando, Banchero and Wagner would be the first 2 options
 
wizenheimer said:
Ant is not a viable 2nd option anymore than CJ was. He's only a 2nd option by default if the team lack top talent. On Orlando, Banchero and Wagner would be the first 2 options
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I like Wagner but his limitations is what caused their loss in the playoffs. He is an inconsistent shooter. Ant is a far more efficient offensive player and he wouldn't need the ball in his hands with Paulo controlling.
 
wizenheimer said:
who are you talking about?

WCJ has played 6 seasons, not 8; and he has averaged 55 games (adjusted for Covid), not 45. That's still not good, granted, and would be a major concern with adding him

I think you are underrating him as a rebounder. He posted a high of an 18.5% rebound rate in 2021-22; that ranked 13th in the NBA. His career average is 17% which would have ranked him 20th this season. He did dip to 15.9% this season. But that was still a better rate than Sengun, Holmgren KAT, Myles Turner, Naz Reid, Zach Collins, Markkanen, and Porzingis. And he happens to play on one of the best rebounding teams in the league. Orlando ranked 2nd in defensive rebounding rate and 7th in offensive rebounding rate; meaning his teammates are grabbing rebounds that he might normally secure

as far as his three-point shooting, I really don't think that's too important. Ayton never shoots them and no Ayton fan here says that's a negative. WCJ has improved quite a bit from three in any event: in the last 2 seasons he has converted 144 three's out of 396 attempts. That's a 36.4% conversion rate on 3.5 shots a game. That's right around the NBA average and that high a rate from a big changes a defense

but three's aren't the only shot in the NBA. Over the last three seasons, WCJ's TS% has been .601-->.621-->.623 while his FT rate has hovered around 31.5%. Those are very efficient numbers. Ayton's TS mark this season was .587 and he had the best mark in Portland's rotation

and of course, what was being discussed was a Simons + Timelord for WCJ + Black + 2025 first; not a straight Simons for WCJ trade. I think that's pretty unrealistic because Ant just doesn't have that kind of value, IMO. But I'd really like for Portland to find a trade partner for Ant because the Blazers+Simons has become just like the Blazers+CJ. There's no good reason to spend the salary and give him the usage that Portland does.

edit: the platypus beat me to it
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Whew, thank you for saving me time.
 
Natebishop3 said:
OKC has 30 million in space this summer. Their fans say they need a power forward and a backup center.

Grant and RWIII come on down!
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So they could eat his salary? I would deal him in exchange for Aaron Wiggins. Wiggins has a TS% of 66%.
 
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