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blazedanugz said:
Does Dan Marang have any credibility? I just listened to his podcast on BE and he sounds very pessimistic
Said there is an offer on the table for Simmons that we can’t match and will keep him in the East
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he's clueless.
 
UKRAINEFAN said:
Seems like that must have been Siakam plus filler for CJ and Covington. Good news is that Olshey is interested in Siakam, bad news is Toronto wants a lot.
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Just to clarify; I took that tweet as talking about two different deals. One would be their pick for someone. Two would be the trade with Portland.
 
Ripcity4life77 said:
Everyone is so quick to trade RoCo and i will admit if it's to bring in a Top25 player then OK but he was one of the few players who showed fight in that disaster of a 1st round vs. the Nuggets plus he plays D something this team needs.
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i don't think anyone WANTS to get rid of Roco. But we have very few tradeable contracts (10-20 mil) who aren't negative value.I'd rather trade Roco than Nurk if we want to make the $ work.

This is why I have been harping on Jones' decision to opt in/out is crucial for a lot of our summer trade hopes.
 
Ripcity4life77 said:
Everyone is so quick to trade RoCo and i will admit if it's to bring in a Top25 player then OK but he was one of the few players who showed fight in that disaster of a 1st round vs. the Nuggets plus he plays D something this team needs.
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Yeah ideally I think we keep RoCo, the plan has to be using a combination of CJ/Simons/Nas/Picks to get a top 30 player, one who happens to be a Forward. I just don’t know if those assets are good enough.
 
illmatic99 said:
i don't think anyone WANTS to get rid of Roco. But we have very few tradeable contracts (10-20 mil) who aren't negative value.I'd rather trade Roco than Nurk if we want to make the $ work.

This is why I have been harping on Jones' decision to opt in/out is crucial for a lot of our summer trade hopes.
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Trading RoCo would be crazy.
Not trading CJ for a top player would be crazy.

Avoiding Crazy may be impossible.
 
AmirIcon said:
Way too good for Indy. Not good enough for Portland or Philly.
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I think Indy loses out in that deal as posted. Brogdon is better than CJ (to me), and Sabas is arguably as good as Simmons.
 
PtldPlatypus said:
I think Indy loses out in that deal as posted. Brogdon is better than CJ (to me), and Sabas is arguably as good as Simmons.
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ya it's what i was thinking. it's why i mentioned more would probably need to go Indy's way.
 
blazedanugz said:
Does Dan Marang have any credibility? I just listened to his podcast on BE and he sounds very pessimistic
Said there is an offer on the table for Simmons that we can’t match and will keep him in the East
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I mean, if you believe the rumors, both Brogdon+1st and Siakam have been offered. In my mind, those are both better offers than CJ, but who knows what Morey actually thinks.
 
Simmons might have more untapped potential BUT hoping he gets his head AND game straight is a huge gamble and if Dame was not wavering on his desire to stay in portland i might be a little more willing to explore a Simmons deal but right now not the time . I am just not sure it's a gamble worth making when the future of Dame is hanging by a thread.
 
PtldPlatypus said:
At age 25, he's peaked?
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Maybe peaked isn't the right word, but I highly doubt we're going to see any massive improvements from him at this point. Simmons, on the other hand, could take a major leap if he could get his shot figured out.
 
Scalma said:
Sabonis > Simmons easy.
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They're both extremely good but nothing about that call is easy. Sabonis can play two positions on the floor and really should be relegated to the 5. He's a great passer, has a good enough handle, can score the basketball at every level (which is huge), defends well and is a helluva rebounder.

Simmons can do everything besides shoot (shooting is a big deal). There's no one in the league including Giannis that can stop any player one on one, 1-5 as well as Simmons can... no one. Simmons is a great ball handler, passer/distributor and rebounder on both ends. When his head isn't fucked (only referring to this last series) he gets to the hole and finishes their as good as anyone in the league. As an athlete it's not even close between Sabonis and Ben... and athleticism still really really matters.

So today, it's not an easy call to make; which one of these guys is better. I think given all of the gifts and skills Simmons has that him developing a reliable shot from both the free throw line and when open from three is only a matter of time... then it will be an easy call to make.
 
Natebishop3 said:
Maybe peaked isn't the right word, but I highly doubt we're going to see any massive improvements from him at this point. Simmons, on the other hand, could take a major leap if he could get his shot figured out.
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sabonis put up jokic-lite numbers last yr btw. 21-12-7 as a 6'11 big man

i love ben simmons, but he will never have the kinda skillset that Sabonis does now. And i think a Dame-Sabonis duo might be better than a Dame-Simmons one.
 
Natebishop3 said:
Maybe peaked isn't the right word, but I highly doubt we're going to see any massive improvements from him at this point. Simmons, on the other hand, could take a major leap if he could get his shot figured out.
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Same was basically said about Dame after year 4...and year 5...and year 6...
 
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Do people think we are actually going to make a big move this off-season? It's starting to look more and more like we aren't. After the Friday that Lillard met with Olshey and Billups, all the reports have indicated that Lillard is not going to be moved this off-season. Even Woj and Lowe are reporting. So it seems like Billups was able to talk Dame off the ledge and at least move D-Day back towards the trade deadline. That is disappointing because Olshey gets another off-season where he doesn't have to do anything besides tinker around.

Most likely scenario seems to be overpaying Powell, running it back with a slightly better bench, and then seeing how competitive the team is by the trade deadline. Maybe CJ plays well enough to raise his trade value during the first half the season. If they don't look like contenders at that point, I fully expect them to trade RoCo and Nurkic's expiring contracts and also look to move Dame and CJ. Maybe a deal doesn't materialize but both will be moved in the off-season.

Ugh. Maybe the trade market is really terrible for our guys at the moment, and it doesn't sound like Olshey is willing to move future draft equity. Walking the tight-rope to keep his job.
 
illmatic99 said:
sabonis put up jokic-lite numbers last yr btw. 21-12-7 as a 6'11 big man

i love ben simmons, but he will never have the kinda skillset that Sabonis does now. And i think a Dame-Sabonis duo might be better than a Dame-Simmons one.
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All of this is why the idea of Indy dealing Sabonis seems incredibly unlikely. I honestly can't understand why that Indy team wasn't better last year.
 
PtldPlatypus said:
All of this is why the idea of Indy dealing Sabonis seems incredibly unlikely. I honestly can't understand why that Indy team wasn't better last year.
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if i were KP, i'd build around Sabonis. but KP is erratic seemingly.

They had a ton of injuries last year and a coach who the players got tired of listening to.
 
illmatic99 said:
sabonis put up jokic-lite numbers last yr btw. 21-12-7 as a 6'11 big man

i love ben simmons, but he will never have the kinda skillset that Sabonis does now. And i think a Dame-Sabonis duo might be better than a Dame-Simmons one.
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They present different skillsets.

Sabonis isn't an elite defender by any means. Simmons is. They're both good passers. The main difference is that Sabonis is a really good shooter.
 
Natebishop3 said:
They present different skillsets.

Sabonis isn't an elite defender by any means. Simmons is. They're both good passers. The main difference is that Sabonis is a really good shooter.
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and he's not mentally broken and would fit in seamlessly without any drama.

And Portland is home for him.
 
B-Roy said:
Do people think we are actually going to make a big move this off-season? It's starting to look more and more like we aren't. After the Friday that Lillard met with Olshey and Billups, all the reports have indicated that Lillard is not going to be moved this off-season. Even Woj and Lowe are reporting. So it seems like Billups was able to talk Dame off the ledge and at least move D-Day back towards the trade deadline. That is disappointing because Olshey gets another off-season where he doesn't have to do anything besides tinker around.

Most likely scenario seems to be overpaying Powell, running it back with a slightly better bench, and then seeing how competitive the team is by the trade deadline. Maybe CJ plays well enough to raise his trade value during the first half the season. If they don't look like contenders at that point, I fully expect them to trade RoCo and Nurkic's expiring contracts and also look to move Dame and CJ. Maybe a deal doesn't materialize but both will be moved in the off-season.

Ugh. Maybe the trade market is really terrible for our guys at the moment, and it doesn't sound like Olshey is willing to move future draft equity. Walking the tight-rope to keep his job.
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A couple weeks ago I posted that this felt a lot like Lucy pulling the football from Charlie Brown. Yes, absolutely expecting nothing major to happen, because that's how Neil rolls. I think we're looking at between now and the draft for something big to happen -- if it does, great. If it doesn't, there's probably a heightened onus on Neil to add an asset or two through the draft, purely to have enough chips to possibly make something happen at the deadline.

In some ways, I don't hate that plan -- especially if Dame is on board. The trade deadline, or prior to it, feels like a good time (but also the last time) to make the "all-in" or "rebuild" decision... You have some hindsight in how this years crop of draft picks are looking while and have had some ability to scout the next class closely, aren't so far down the path that you can't tank and elevate your draft pick or make a move or two happen to go for it. You also have a massive amount of open cap room coming up, expiring contracts of quality players to trade, etc.
 
B-Roy said:
Do people think we are actually going to make a big move this off-season? It's starting to look more and more like we aren't. After the Friday that Lillard met with Olshey and Billups, all the reports have indicated that Lillard is not going to be moved this off-season. Even Woj and Lowe are reporting. So it seems like Billups was able to talk Dame off the ledge and at least move D-Day back towards the trade deadline. That is disappointing because Olshey gets another off-season where he doesn't have to do anything besides tinker around.

Most likely scenario seems to be overpaying Powell, running it back with a slightly better bench, and then seeing how competitive the team is by the trade deadline. Maybe CJ plays well enough to raise his trade value during the first half the season. If they don't look like contenders at that point, I fully expect them to trade RoCo and Nurkic's expiring contracts and also look to move Dame and CJ. Maybe a deal doesn't materialize but both will be moved in the off-season.

Ugh. Maybe the trade market is really terrible for our guys at the moment, and it doesn't sound like Olshey is willing to move future draft equity. Walking the tight-rope to keep his job.
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i wouldn't characterize Dame getting talked off the ledge as "disappointing."
 
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