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hoopsjock said:
Alright next up for CJ is Detroit. They are the first team I've gotten to that would actually really want CJ on their team and that makes sense (although I could see Cleveland liking him too). I've already mentioned some 3-team trades with Detroit involved but I'll keep these to just between the two teams:

CJ and Leonard for Blake Griffin and Khyri Thomas. Griffin is one of the few players I could actually see Olshey trading CJ for. It sounds like the Pistons want to keep Griffin and don't think of him as a bad contract, YET. This trade actually saves us a little money the next couple years but then hurts the last two years of Griffin's contract. Given Griffin's injury history too this trade is probably not one I'd choose but I also wouldn't be mad if it happened.

CJ for Andre Drummond. I know for a fact the Pistons would do this because they are sick of Drummond. Their salaries are almost identical. With the emergence of Nurk I don't think it makes a lot of sense to trade for another center instead of a wing. Maybe there would be a 3rd team we could flip Drummond to?

CJ and Swanigan for Reggie Jackson, Luke Kennard, Reggie Bullock, and a 2019 Detroit 1st. I'd hate to get stuck with Reggie so we'd have to flip him elsewhere or just suck it up for a year along with Turner and Leonard but I am liking the idea of adding Kennard and Bullock and a mid 1st rounder. I guess this trade depends on if there is a 3rd team to flip Reggie Jackson to.
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I wonder if Charlotte would like Drummond? He'd be a good fit there and it might help them keep Kemba.

Detroit gets CJ and Swanigan

Charlotte gets Drummond and Stauskas

Portland gets Jeremy Lamb, Marvin Williams, Malik Monk, and a Charlotte 2019 1st

Starters Dame, Lamb, Harkless, Aminu, Nurk

Bench Curry, Monk, Layman, Marv, Collins

Deep Bench Turner, Leonard, Simons, Trent, Baldwin

We'd have full bird rights to re-sign Lamb.
 
PDX trades - Mo, AFA & Tuner
Boston - Hayward & Morris

MO, AFA & Turner beefs up Bean Town D and forward positions for Playoffs

Portland gets a scoring 3 and a legit 4 that can help Zac
 
Hoopguru said:
PDX trades - Mo, AFA & Tuner
Boston - Hayward & Morris

MO, AFA & Turner beefs up Bean Town D and forward positions for Playoffs

Portland gets a scoring 3 and a legit 4 that can help Zac
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The only problem is, Portland is getting probably the 2 best players in that deal. Boston also needs to thin out and not bring in additional players. I also think Haywards relationship with Stevens means they aren't likely interested in moving him as he is only half a season removed from a devastating injury that kept him out for a season. I'm sure they have decided to approach Hayward with the idea of giving him time to get back to where he was previously at.
 
CupWizier said:
The only problem is, Portland is getting probably the 2 best players in that deal. Boston also needs to thin out and not bring in additional players. I also think Haywards relationship with Stevens means they aren't likely interested in moving him as he is only half a season removed from a devastating injury that kept him out for a season. I'm sure they have decided to approach Hayward with the idea of giving him time to get back to where he was previously at.
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Your right about his relation with Stevens.
My thinking was they would get rid of that huge contact and if they wanted to let AFA walk they could?
You're probably right in that they want to thin out their roster. I wouldn't make a very good GM thats for sure!
 
Hoopguru said:
Your right about his relation with Stevens.
My thinking was they would get rid of that huge contact and if they wanted to let AFA walk they could?
You're probably right in that they want to thin out their roster. I wouldn't make a very good GM thats for sure!
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lol, the reality is, none of us would make good GM's in the NBA but I think there are some in here that will disagree with me. At this time, Hayward's contract is a tough pill to swallow, but Boston was willing to accept it initially so I think they will give it another season and then would only have 1 more year after next.
 
CupWizier said:
lol, the reality is, none of us would make good GM's in the NBA but I think there are some in here that will disagree with me. At this time, Hayward's contract is a tough pill to swallow, but Boston was willing to accept it initially so I think they will give it another season and then would only have 1 more year after next.
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How do you know that? There are likely 1000's of people who would make a good GM but have no way of ever entering that world or job career.
 
hoopsjock said:
Do you agree that most people would never even have the chance to be a GM even if they could possibly be good at it?
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If they could never be a GM how do you know they would be good at it?

Do you think you would be a good GM?
 
CupWizier said:
If they could never be a GM how do you know they would be good at it?

Do you think you would be a good GM?
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I remember us having this same conversation about coaching heh.

If I had to pick a guy from here whom I think could do it given the time and oppurtunity HJ would probably be that guy. No offense to the rest of you lol.
 
TorturedBlazerFan said:
I remember us having this same conversation about coaching heh.

If I had to pick a guy from here whom I think could do it given the time and oppurtunity HJ would probably be that guy. No offense to the rest of you lol.
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Hey thanks man, I have no idea how I'd actually do. I'd probably either be really popular with other GM's because I'd always be willing to discuss scenarios or they'd all be so annoyed with me bugging them all the time that they'd stop taking my calls. My point is that no matter what I did to study, prepare, or become a GM I would likely never get an opportunity to even come close to a position like that.

CupWizier said:
If they could never be a GM how do you know they would be good at it?

Do you think you would be a good GM?
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I don't know if they'd be good at it or not, that is my point. I can't be of the opinion that no one in here would be a good GM when the reason is that no one in here will ever be a GM.

As for me, I study the cap. I study draft prospects. I know the game. I study other teams and their cap situations. I'm a whiz on the ESPN trade machine too! The closest I've ever been is being a GM in the mock off seasons that I do every year. This past summer I was involved in 6 of them including the one on here. Those don't have any real meaning but I can say that I'm almost always satisfied with the end result. I'm pretty confident in my abilities but also very unsure if I'd be successful or not.
 
hoopsjock said:
Hey thanks man, I have no idea how I'd actually do. I'd probably either be really popular with other GM's because I'd always be willing to discuss scenarios or they'd all be so annoyed with me bugging them all the time that they'd stop taking my calls. My point is that no matter what I did to study, prepare, or become a GM I would likely never get an opportunity to even come close to a position like that.


I don't know if they'd be good at it or not, that is my point. I can't be of the opinion that no one in here would be a good GM when the reason is that no one in here will ever be a GM.

As for me, I study the cap. I study draft prospects. I know the game. I study other teams and their cap situations. I'm a whiz on the ESPN trade machine too! The closest I've ever been is being a GM in the mock off seasons that I do every year. This past summer I was involved in 6 of them including the one on here. Those don't have any real meaning but I can say that I'm almost always satisfied with the end result. I'm pretty confident in my abilities but also very unsure if I'd be successful or not.
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Here's my personal example. I was a very good baseball player and made all league and all state and had a scholarship to play D1 baseball. I realized my limit was d1 college baseball and probably some minor league ball if I chose to go that way and that was with me studying the game, practicing constantly and dedicating much of my youth and later years to playing baseball. Why didn't I make the major leagues? It's one thing to think you are good enough, but it's another thing to actually perform at a level and keep the job. Sometimes we just have to accept our limitations.
 
CupWizier said:
Here's my personal example. I was a very good baseball player and made all league and all state and had a scholarship to play D1 baseball. I realized my limit was d1 college baseball and probably some minor league ball if I chose to go that way and that was with me studying the game, practicing constantly and dedicating much of my youth and later years to playing baseball. Why didn't I make the major leagues? It's one thing to think you are good enough, but it's another thing to actually perform at a level and keep the job. Sometimes we just have to accept our limitations.
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C'mon Cup, actually playing is a terrible comparison to being in a front office or coaching. I'm sure you could have been a decent scout or something if you wanted to go that route. Being a GM takes ZERO athletic ability. You not being physically gifted enough to make the majors is not the same as someone's ability to do an office job.

I was pretty good at basketball but was the exact same size and weight as Michael Jordan. There is no way I would've been able to guard wings in the NBA. What does that have to do with me being a GM?
 
hoopsjock said:
C'mon Cup, actually playing is a terrible comparison to being in a front office or coaching. I'm sure you could have been a decent scout or something if you wanted to go that route. Being a GM takes ZERO athletic ability. You not being physically gifted enough to make the majors is not the same as someone's ability to do an office job.

I was pretty good at basketball but was the exact same size and weight as Michael Jordan. There is no way I would've been able to guard wings in the NBA. What does that have to do with me being a GM?
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It is called understanding ones limits. What level of basketball did you play
 
CupWizier said:
It is called understanding ones limits. What level of basketball did you play
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So because of your physical limitations of not being good enough to play major league baseball I couldn't possibly be good at something that doesn't require physical ability.

I'm sorry but that is about the dumbest analogy I've ever heard.
 
CupWizier said:
Here's my personal example. I was a very good baseball player and made all league and all state and had a scholarship to play D1 baseball. I realized my limit was d1 college baseball and probably some minor league ball if I chose to go that way and that was with me studying the game, practicing constantly and dedicating much of my youth and later years to playing baseball. Why didn't I make the major leagues? It's one thing to think you are good enough, but it's another thing to actually perform at a level and keep the job. Sometimes we just have to accept our limitations.
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Playing and coaching / management are quite different though. Yes we all have limitations but the window you have as a player comes and goes in such a small fraction of your life that it can be gone before you know it.

Agree that many people and probably most of us dont have what it takes to be an NBA coach or GM. Just those jobs the window for obtaining the skills required is much broader and a blown knee wont keep you from it.
 
hoopsjock said:
So because of your physical limitations of not being good enough to play major league baseball I couldn't possibly be good at something that doesn't require physical ability.

I'm sorry but that is about the dumbest analogy I've ever heard.
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Ok, we are done. I have no interest in your personal insults
 
Heres an analogy. I was a very good HS basketball and soccer player. Played minor college ball. I was also a computer nerd, I was programming at age 9. I loved basketball and focused on that for a long time though by about 21 I knew that was going nowhere. When I was 25 had two blown knees, a calf muscle that was shredded it was basically a slap in the face to get real. I never graduated college because I was being an idiot. The skills I was able to go back on was programming and computers. Im doing ok as a software engineer because I was able to work at those skills and put the time in to learn / get experience to do it. The window for those types of jobs is much bigger than the window of an athlete.
 
Next up is the Indiana Pacers. Having Oladipo already, they probably wouldn't want CJ. They do have a lot of decent players that are expiring contracts too but they are on a roll right now making it unlikely they make a major move. Now that Allen has passed away maybe KP can get over his grudge (alleged) against Portland.

CJ and Swanigan for Thad Young, Tyreke Evans, and Indy 2019 1st. Tyreke has been super disappointing coming off a good year last year. This gives Indy more of a long term fit. We could see if we could add Collison and Leonard to the trade to clear more salary for next summer but the problem with Tyreke is that he doesn't come with bird rights. Although if CJ and Leonard were both included we could possibly get up to $20 million in cap space cleared if Tyreke played well enough to offer him a mutli-year deal.

Probably nothing here though.
 
hoopsjock said:
Next up is the Indiana Pacers. Having Oladipo already, they probably wouldn't want CJ. They do have a lot of decent players that are expiring contracts too but they are on a roll right now making it unlikely they make a major move. Now that Allen has passed away maybe KP can get over his grudge (alleged) against Portland.

CJ and Swanigan for Thad Young, Tyreke Evans, and Indy 2019 1st. Tyreke has been super disappointing coming off a good year last year. This gives Indy more of a long term fit. We could see if we could add Collison and Leonard to the trade to clear more salary for next summer but the problem with Tyreke is that he doesn't come with bird rights. Although if CJ and Leonard were both included we could possibly get up to $20 million in cap space cleared if Tyreke played well enough to offer him a mutli-year deal.

Probably nothing here though.
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Indy’s a strange team in that they seem to be a better team than the names on the roster would suggest. Weird to me how well Nate McMillan has adjusted to his talent there and he never really made those adjustments in Portland. Bogdonavich and Sabonis would be the guys od want to go after but they probably arent for sale. Edit: for sale is bas terminology, they probably arent available via trade.
 
I believe Kevin Love and Rodney Hood for CJ and _______will work in less than a month on the trade checker.
 
BigGameDamian said:
I believe Kevin Love and Rodney Hood for CJ and _______will work in less than a month on the trade checker.
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Hood has a no trade clause. He might waive it to come to Portland but we likely wouldn't be able to keep him after this season since we'd have no bird rights on him.
 
TorturedBlazerFan said:
Indy’s a strange team in that they seem to be a better team than the names on the roster would suggest. Weird to me how well Nate McMillan has adjusted to his talent there and he never really made those adjustments in Portland. Bogdonavich and Sabonis would be the guys od want to go after but they probably arent for sale.
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Yeah, I'd love to get Baby Sabas but I figured it would cost too much. Oladipo and CJ might not be that bad since Oladipo is a good defender.
 
hoopsjock said:
Hood has a no trade clause. He might waive it to come to Portland but we likely wouldn't be able to keep him after this season since we'd have no bird rights on him.
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wow hood has a no trade clause??? His agent must be the very best. How did they manage that...
 
TorturedBlazerFan said:
wow hood has a no trade clause??? His agent must be the very best. How did they manage that...
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He's playing under the one year Qualifying Offer this year, so it comes automatically with veto power and he becomes an unrestricted free agent at the end of the year.

Edit: The reason for that rule is that if he is traded he loses his bird rights because in this situation they wouldn't transfer from Cleveland to Portland so it could potentially cost him a lot of money.
 
hoopsjock said:
He's playing under the one year Qualifying Offer this year, so it comes automatically with veto power and he becomes an unrestricted free agent at the end of the year.

Edit: The reason for that rule is that if he is traded he loses his bird rights because in this situation they wouldn't transfer from Cleveland to Portland so it could potentially cost him a lot of money.
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I didnt know that. Interesting.
 
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