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RR7 said:
Yeah, just not a fan, personally. I know we can fall off quickly, and all the teams are tight, but when have we ever seen a 4th seed sell off their 2nd best player, or 2nd best scorer, 3rd best player, for some picks? Especially when they're not an old team. And he's not an old player. I'm all for moving CJ if we can find the right fit for US. But selling Dame on hey, we're the 4th seed currently, playing decent, and we're going to throw away, for the most part, this season to get a couple of draft picks. Especially when, as has been mentioned, are 3 most recent draft picks are abunch of 19 year olds.
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On a side note, I'm not so sure we'd have a falloff if we simply swapped CJ and Bullock. That doesn't mean I'm discrediting how good CJ is or that they are similar players because CJ is better. However Bullock has a size advantage and is a better defender. He's a career near 40% 3pt shooter (almost identical to CJ). CJ's a better creator but that also means he monopolizes the ball more and there is a huge disparity in usage rate. I think there is an argument to be made in favor of more of a spot up shooter being better for the offense especially if that player is also a better defender.

I get that if that trade was made most people would think the exact opposite though.
 
James lamphear said:
But usually when a player that was starting and come back from injury they usually get starting position back this didn't happen with Prince. It might be he on minutes restrictions or they just like better. Now Prince can be a good team mate and accepted his reduce role and I hope that the case or he can start not liking his minutes reduction. But if I was a GM seeing you can't come back your starting position back on bad team I be dame that I give you a 1st for him. I like him as a player and I wouldn't mind get him but I don't know how big upgrade that he is over Layman and Harkless.
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He had restriction of 10-15 minutes the first two games. He just started btw.
 
BonesJones said:
CJ for Bamba would be a bad move for us. That's probably who theyd ask for though.
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Moving this discussion to a more applicable thread

For them to have to privilege of pairing CJ with Gordon/Vucevic, they'd have to send both Bamba and Isaac, IMO. The salary matching would be the question. Would we take Fournier back, gamble on his offense improving playing alongside Dame?
 
PtldPlatypus said:
Moving this discussion to a more applicable thread

For them to have to privilege of pairing CJ with Gordon/Vucevic, they'd have to send both Bamba and Isaac, IMO. The salary matching would be the question. Would we take Fournier back, gamble on his offense improving playing alongside Dame?
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Why do we need multiple trade deadline threads?
 
BonesJones said:
Why do we need multiple trade deadline threads?
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I had thought that the deadline thread was about news and rumors, whereas this one was about our own ideas and speculation. And of course, we had been talking in the "Congrats Dame" thread, which had nothing to do with trades at all.
 
PtldPlatypus said:
I had thought that the deadline thread was about news and rumors, whereas this one was about our own ideas and speculation. And of course, we had been talking in the "Congrats Dame" thread, which had nothing to do with trades at all.
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The Bamba thing was a rumor though haha.
 
BonesJones said:
The Bamba thing was a rumor though haha.
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Just him being available. There were no rumors about any trades involving him.

Do you have any comments on the thought of a prospective CJ-to-Orlando-for-Bamba/Isaac trade, or do you just want to continue critiquing my choice of threads?
 
PtldPlatypus said:
Just him being available. There were no rumors about any trades involving him.

Do you have any comments on the thought of a prospective CJ-to-Orlando-for-Bamba/Isaac trade, or do you just want to continue critiquing my choice of threads?
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I love Bamba, but just like Orlando I think we are a bad fit to develop him. If I were the Hawks I'd be trying to get him to put next to John Collins as my big duo. Trade Dedmon and just let those two play all the minutes they can handle together.

The only thing that would make sense in terms of CJ going to Orlando is if New Orleans liked Isaac and Bamba not CJ and were interested in a 3-way.

Something like this?
http://tradenba.com/trades/rJ684lMN4
 
PtldPlatypus said:
Just him being available. There were no rumors about any trades involving him.

Do you have any comments on the thought of a prospective CJ-to-Orlando-for-Bamba/Isaac trade, or do you just want to continue critiquing my choice of threads?
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How about we critique your taste in women? :devilwink:
 
hoopsjock said:
I love Bamba, but just like Orlando I think we are a bad fit to develop him. If I were the Hawks I'd be trying to get him to put next to John Collins as my big duo. Trade Dedmon and just let those two play all the minutes they can handle together.

The only thing that would make sense in terms of CJ going to Orlando is if New Orleans liked Isaac and Bamba not CJ and were interested in a 3-way.

Something like this?
http://tradenba.com/trades/rJ684lMN4
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I'm in favor.
 
IF during the off season it looks like Nurk is going to miss a good chunk of the regular season and possibly take awhile to be fully healthy...

What do you guys think about a move like this?

ET, Harkless, Leonard, and a 1st for Hassan Whiteside and Ryan Anderson. Both Whiteside and Anderson are expirings next year too. It saves the Heat money next year and they get a 1st out of it. For us we'd pick up a legit starting center while Nurk is out and when Nurk comes back we could ease him back into things. Since both Whiteside and Anderson are expiring worst case scenario they'd have similar value to the guys we dealt at the trade deadline. If Whiteside plays well he might be a valuable trade chip.
 
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hoopsjock said:
IF during the off season it looks like Nurk is going to miss a good chunk of the regular season and possibly take awhile to be fully healthy...

What do you guys think about a move like this?

ET, Harkless, Leonard, and a 1st for Hassan Whiteside and Kyle Anderson. Both Whiteside and Anderson are expirings next year too. It saves the Heat money next year and they get a 1st out of it. For us we'd pick up a legit starting center while Nurk is out and when Nurk comes back we could ease him back into things. Since both Whiteside and Anderson are expiring worst case scenario they'd have similar value to the guys we dealt at the trade deadline. If Whiteside plays well he might be a valuable trade chip.
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I see no downside.
 
hoopsjock said:
IF during the off season it looks like Nurk is going to miss a good chunk of the regular season and possibly take awhile to be fully healthy...

What do you guys think about a move like this?

ET, Harkless, Leonard, and a 1st for Hassan Whiteside and Kyle Anderson. Both Whiteside and Anderson are expirings next year too. It saves the Heat money next year and they get a 1st out of it. For us we'd pick up a legit starting center while Nurk is out and when Nurk comes back we could ease him back into things. Since both Whiteside and Anderson are expiring worst case scenario they'd have similar value to the guys we dealt at the trade deadline. If Whiteside plays well he might be a valuable trade chip.
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Is that Ryan anderson, not kyle?
 
What CJs absence has shown is that his role on the team is rather easily replaced by much cheaper players like Hood and Curry. I’m not saying they’re better players. For example, if you put curry or Hood on the Pelicans and made them the focal point of the offense, I think they’d struggle where as CJ would probably thrive.

That leads to the logical step of finally putting McCollum on the trade block. That doesn’t mean trade for what you can get, or to make a lateral move, but it definitely should mean putting him in discussions for some of the better bigs that are, or could potentially be, on the block.


Trade w/ New Orleans

McCollum, Collins, and a first for Anthony Davis.


Trade w/ Detroit

McCollum and a first for Blake Griffin.


Trade w/ San Antonio and Orlando

McCollum to Orlando, Aaron Gordon and a pick from Orlando to San Antonio, and Aldridge to Portland.
 
Scalma said:
What CJs absence has shown is that his role on the team is rather easily replaced by much cheaper players like Hood and Curry. I’m not saying they’re better players. For example, if you put curry or Hood on the Pelicans and made them the focal point of the offense, I think they’d struggle where as CJ would probably thrive.

That leads to the logical step of finally putting McCollum on the trade block. That doesn’t mean trade for what you can get, or to make a lateral move, but it definitely should mean putting him in discussions for some of the better bigs that are, or could potentially be, on the block.


Trade w/ New Orleans

McCollum, Collins, and a first for Anthony Davis.


Trade w/ Detroit

McCollum and a first for Blake Griffin.


Trade w/ San Antonio and Orlando

McCollum to Orlando, Aaron Gordon and a pick from Orlando to San Antonio, and Aldridge to Portland.
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I'd do the first one. The second is a huge risk. FUCK your third suggestion.
 
Scalma said:
Trade w/ New Orleans

McCollum, Collins, and a first for Anthony Davis.


Trade w/ Detroit

McCollum and a first for Blake Griffin.


Trade w/ San Antonio and Orlando

McCollum to Orlando, Aaron Gordon and a pick from Orlando to San Antonio, and Aldridge to Portland.
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The first one is well worth taking the risk of AD walking after a year, IMO.

The second, I'd do if it was a late first round pick.

The third would have to involve a good first round pick coming back to Portland. No way LA is worth CJ at this point in his career.
 
e_blazer said:
The first one is well worth taking the risk of AD walking after a year, IMO.

The second, I'd do if it was a late first round pick.

The third would have to involve a good first round pick coming back to Portland. No way LA is worth CJ at this point in his career.
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This is just a fans opinion, but I don’t think the Spurs would trade Aldridge for McCollum straight up (if they didn’t have derozan.)

Objectively speaking, Aldridge is the better player, by a significant margin, and CJ isn't under longer control. If anything, I thought the Spurs would be the most likely to say no to the proposed trade.
 
Scalma said:
This is just a fans opinion, but I don’t think the Spurs would trade Aldridge for McCollum straight up (if they didn’t have derozan.)

Objectively speaking, Aldridge is the better player, by a significant margin, and CJ isn't under longer control. If anything, I thought the Spurs would be the most likely to say no to the proposed trade.
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Yeah, I don't think SA is a great fit for CJ.
 
So Atlanta probably wont use all their cap space. They probably dont want to pay Prince in 2020 who's somewhat injury prone. I feel like Harkless and our 1st (25th?) for Prince and a 2nd (41st?) could make a lot of sense.

Our payroll would be $118M and wed have $20M under the hard cap to use our Full MLE on Hood/Kanter/Curry with apx. $12M left over for Layman & Aminu.

We could also try something like Harkless, Turner, and our 1st for Prince and Plumlee. Saves us $13M (payroll down to $113M). Would give us $25M below the hard cap.

If we somehow dumped Meyers and stretched Plumlee we could open up $15M in cap space. We could probably renounce Layman, resign Curry and Hood then try to bring back Jake for the Room Exception.
 
BonesJones said:
So Atlanta probably wont use all their cap space. They probably dont want to pay Prince in 2020 who's somewhat injury prone. I feel like Harkless and our 1st (25th?) for Prince and a 2nd (41st?) could make a lot of sense.

Our payroll would be $118M and wed have $20M under the hard cap to use our Full MLE on Hood/Kanter/Curry with apx. $12M left over for Layman & Aminu.

We could also try something like Harkless, Turner, and our 1st for Prince and Plumlee. Saves us $13M (payroll down to $113M). Would give us $25M below the hard cap.

If we somehow dumped Meyers and stretched Plumlee we could open up $15M in cap space. We could probably renounce Layman, resign Curry and Hood then try to bring back Jake for the Room Exception.
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I dont get the love for Prince. I dont think he's any better than Harkless.

I personally would not do this trade
 
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tester551 said:
I dont get the love for Prince. I dont think he's any better than Harkless.

I personally would not do this trade
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In Bones' example the reason Prince is ideal is because even if he is the same as Harkless (or slightly worse) doing a Harkless for Prince swap saves us over $8 million. That frees up the potential to use the Full-MLE thus being more likely to keep some of our free agents (Hood, Kanter, and Curry) or to get a more impactful player.

If Prince sucks we simply let him walk at the end of next year.
 
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