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hoopsjock said:
As for the other part, I'm sorry but anyone who says we are going to use our pick to shed salary loses credibility in my mind. This summer there are more free agents than there is money to sign them all to what they are expecting. There are going to be some really good value deals. Teams aren't going to sacrifice precious cap space before free agency even starts so that they can get the 25th pick. The pick might be used in a more balanced trade but not a shedding salary trade. To do that we'll have to wait until later in the free agency process and offer a 2020 pick but by then it might be too late.
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I never ever want to use a pick to make up for previous contract mistakes. It's especially true this year when the value of #25 is so low.
 
TorturedBlazerFan said:
Might lose credibility in your mind, but I can still dream that they can package that pick with ET and not have ET! :)
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I didn't say they couldn't do that, in fact I said they could do just that. What they won't be able to do is completely dump ET's salary for nothing coming back by including the pick.
 
hoopsjock said:
I didn't say they couldn't do that, in fact I said they could do just that. What they won't be able to do is completely dump ET's salary for nothing coming back by including the pick.
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Lol, I'd say you have no idea how much I want ET to not be a Blazer anymore, but I think most Blazer fans feel the way I do.
They could probably "shed" some salary in that trade though by bringing in someone on a contract worth 10m a year or something like that.
 
hoopsjock said:
I didn't say they couldn't do that, in fact I said they could do just that. What they won't be able to do is completely dump ET's salary for nothing coming back by including the pick.
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Makes no sense to use an asset to dump ET on the last year of his contract. Opening up full MLE not worth a pick to me, especially if all we'll get in in return is Rodney Hood.
 
yuyuza1 said:
Makes no sense to use an asset to dump ET on the last year of his contract. Opening up full MLE not worth a pick to me, especially if all we'll get in in return is Rodney Hood.
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So are you saying that they guy we could get at #25 would be more valuable than Rodney Hood? Maybe we can get them both but what if we knew for sure that we couldn't get Hood unless we got rid of one of those contracts?
 
Turner/25 for Nemanja Bjelica

Saves 10 million this year and Bjelica is a replacement for Aminu.
 
B-Roy said:
Turner/25 for Nemanja Bjelica

Saves 10 million this year and Bjelica is a replacement for Aminu.
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Would you do that if you were the Kings? They would be given up over 11 mil of cap space for a #25 pick in a weak draft?
 
UKRAINEFAN said:
So are you saying that they guy we could get at #25 would be more valuable than Rodney Hood? Maybe we can get them both but what if we knew for sure that we couldn't get Hood unless we got rid of one of those contracts?
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In my estimation, a cost controlled 2.5 mil player for next three years + ET's expiring contract > Hood on a 3 yrs ~30 mil contract.
 
yuyuza1 said:
ET is on an expiring deal. I like Hood, but not at the cost of just giving up an asset ( no matter how shitty the draft might be).
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So you’re essentially saying you’d rather have a late first than Rodney Hood for the next four years (age 27-30 seasons aka his prime?)
 
Scalma said:
So you’re essentially saying you’d rather have a late first than Rodney Hood for the next four years?
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While getting under the tax next year, yes.

There will be better players to be had for the full MLE in years forward as well.
 
yuyuza1 said:
While getting under the tax next year, yes.

There will be better players to be had for the full MLE in years forward as well.
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There will also be more teams with money next summer, so there will be a bigger market for those players as well.
 
Apparently there is a rumor circulating (all obvious caveats apply) that OKC is looking to move the 21st pick in a tax relief deal.

I have 2 conflicting responses to this story. The first is that it tends to confirm the belief that this draft kinda sucks. If the 21st pick isn't worth keeping, the 25th certainly isn't! The second is to find out what their asking price is. What's it worth to double our odds of finding a useful player?
 
Don't overvalue Hood based on a good series. He also had an average and a terrible one during the same playoff run. He will never find 30M for 3 years out there. All he could find last year was the QO and he didn't do that much better this year, he probably did worse overall.
 
yuyuza1 said:
ET is on an expiring deal. I like Hood, but not at the cost of just giving up an asset ( no matter how shitty the draft might be).
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We wouldn't have won against Denver without Hood. With our garbage Wings, (Harkless, Turner, Aminu?) we desperately need wings who can create their own shot and hit 3s. We can not waste more time of Lillards Prime anymore
 
oldmangrouch said:
Apparently there is a rumor circulating (all obvious caveats apply) that OKC is looking to move the 21st pick in a tax relief deal.

I have 2 conflicting responses to this story. The first is that it tends to confirm the belief that this draft kinda sucks. If the 21st pick isn't worth keeping, the 25th certainly isn't! The second is to find out what their asking price is. What's it worth to double our odds of finding a useful player?
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Huh? How would we provide salary relief?
 
hoopsjock said:
Huh? How would we provide salary relief?
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If they want immediate relief, we can't. If they were were thinking more long term and willing to take expiring contracts, it might be possible.

Really, it was more hypothetical. In a top heavy draft, would you be willing to acquire another pick in the 20s? Some would say it would be a waste of resources. Some would argue that more picks = a better chance to hit that home run.

Contrary to what you might expect. I would do it. If you are going to go that route, then maximize your chances. Besides, there is something to be said for zigging when other teams are zagging. If they are selling low on draft picks, then try to be a buyer.
 
oldmangrouch said:
If they want immediate relief, we can't. If they were were thinking more long term and willing to take expiring contracts, it might be possible.

Really, it was more hypothetical. In a top heavy draft, would you be willing to acquire another pick in the 20s? Some would say it would be a waste of resources. Some would argue that more picks = a better chance to hit that home run.

Contrary to what you might expect. I would do it. If you are going to go that route, then maximize your chances. Besides, there is something to be said for zigging when other teams are zagging. If they are selling low on draft picks, then try to be a buyer.
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When a team is looking for tax relief it usually means they are trying to reduce or minimize tax immediately. Considering other than George, Westbrook, and Adams they don't have any deals past next year other than Schroder and rookie contracts so I find it hard to believe they'd give up a pick just to get out of one year of Schroder's contract.

I'm all for adding extra draft picks though.
 
How about this idea?

POR Gets:
Larry Nance Jr.
J.R. Smith (Waived, $3.8M guaranteed)

CLE Gets:
Evan Turner
Gary Trent Jr.
2020 1st Round Pick
2020 & 2022 2nd round picks

That works even though Nance is on a Poison Pill contract. J.R. Smith counts as $14M salary for this year and next year, but can be waived before free agency starts and only counts as a $3.8M cap charge next year.

So Portland would save apx. $3.5M next year and would get a very good and underrated big in Nance, who fits very well with Collins. I like it.
 
BonesJones said:
How about this idea?

POR Gets:
Larry Nance Jr.
J.R. Smith (Waived, $3.8M guaranteed)

CLE Gets:
Evan Turner
Gary Trent Jr.
2020 1st Round Pick
2020 & 2022 2nd round picks

That works even though Nance is on a Poison Pill contract. J.R. Smith counts as $14M salary for this year and next year, but can be waived before free agency starts and only counts as a $3.8M cap charge next year.

So Portland would save apx. $3.5M next year and would get a very good and underrated big in Nance, who fits very well with Collins. I like it.
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I think Cleveland really likes Nance.
 
BonesJones said:
How about this idea?

POR Gets:
Larry Nance Jr.
J.R. Smith (Waived, $3.8M guaranteed)

CLE Gets:
Evan Turner
Gary Trent Jr.
2020 1st Round Pick
2020 & 2022 2nd round picks

That works even though Nance is on a Poison Pill contract. J.R. Smith counts as $14M salary for this year and next year, but can be waived before free agency starts and only counts as a $3.8M cap charge next year.

So Portland would save apx. $3.5M next year and would get a very good and underrated big in Nance, who fits very well with Collins. I like it.
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I would love to get Nance. I think he's being under-utilized and should be one of our primary targets.


UKRAINEFAN said:
I think Cleveland really likes Nance.
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I agree. I don't think Cavs do this.
 
nance has potential to be a beast, always liked his game and tude
 
Remember when Portland was trying to get Anthony Bennet a few years back?
I know most consider him a bust but I think that was mainly due to the Cavs picking him at 1 when he should never have been that high.
From just a quick eye test, he has improved a lot and can hit a open three at a pretty high clip (G-League Defense in mind). He actually has pretty good shot mechanics.
I'm thinking a faster Swanigan with a jump shot.
I wouldn't be surprised as he sounds like a typical Portland reclamation project. Would it be worth kicking the tyres again if they let Aminu walk?
I don't think he would be too expensive. What do you guys reckon? I know we don't have Jay Triano and that might have been one of the reasons we were interested.
 
Aussie Blazer! said:
Remember when Portland was trying to get Anthony Bennet a few years back?
I know most consider him a bust but I think that was mainly due to the Cavs picking him at 1 when he should never have been that high.
From just a quick eye test, he has improved a lot and can hit a open three at a pretty high clip (G-League Defense in mind). He actually has pretty good shot mechanics.
I'm thinking a faster Swanigan with a jump shot.
I wouldn't be surprised as he sounds like a typical Portland reclamation project. Would it be worth kicking the tyres again if they let Aminu walk?
I don't think he would be too expensive. What do you guys reckon? I know we don't have Jay Triano and that might have been one of the reasons we were interested.
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Yes sirrrr been following him for a bit and I think he should get a training camp invite at the very least. He’s got a game that fits the modern NBA. Feels like he’s been blackballed or something. If he truly didn’t care, he wouldn’t be slumming it in the damn g league.
 
Scalma said:
Yes sirrrr been following him for a bit and I think he should get a training camp invite at the very least. He’s got a game that fits the modern NBA. Feels like he’s been blackballed or something. If he truly didn’t care, he wouldn’t be slumming it in the damn g league.
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He's Canadian and the Raptors gave him a shot, so I don't think he's been blackballed.
 
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