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All the AD chatter has got me all in on the idea of using our expirings (and #25) to move up in the draft (while also upgrading the current rotation)

Charlotte and Minnesota are both prime targets at the back end of the lottery. Both have contracts I’m sure they’d love to dump (Batum, Dieng, Wiggins)

There are some other possibilities as well. Would Miami swap their pick if it meant dumping James Johnson? What about Orlando and Fournier?
 
POR: LaMarcus Aldridge, James Johnson.

MIA: DeMar DeRozan, 29

SAS: Evan Turner, Moe Harkless, Gary Trent Jr., Kelly Olynyk, Josh Richardson, 13, 25.
 
GhostOfPGA said:
POR: LaMarcus Aldridge, James Johnson.

MIA: DeMar DeRozan, 29

SAS: Evan Turner, Moe Harkless, Gary Trent Jr., Kelly Olynyk, Josh Richardson, 13, 25.
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Only way spurs did that was if pop retired. I don’t think that’s happening. Don’t think they’ll make any moves. They’re going to be good with Murray back.
 
Honestly I don’t even give a fuck who we get, just use an expiring to improve the rotation and possibly get a higher draft pick.Worst thing that can happen is if Olshey sits on his ass, selects at 25,and goes into free agency with a tax MLE. Draft night is our night.
 
I bet Boston would like to dump Hayward especially since they seem committed to Tatum and Brown. Turner was good in their system. Give em Evan, one of Moe/Leonard, and our pick.
 
Scalma said:
All the AD chatter has got me all in on the idea of using our expirings (and #25) to move up in the draft (while also upgrading the current rotation)

Charlotte and Minnesota are both prime targets at the back end of the lottery. Both have contracts I’m sure they’d love to dump (Batum, Dieng, Wiggins)

There are some other possibilities as well. Would Miami swap their pick if it meant dumping James Johnson? What about Orlando and Fournier?
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I don't think this is a draft you move up in. I said somewhere else I don't think you can have a "huge bust" picking at 25. I do think you can have a huge bust picking at 10. And I think, in this draft, there are a lot of guys going in the lottery who are going to disappoint people -- not because they won't be good players with decent careers, but because the guy going fourth, fifth or sixth might not be as excellent as they guys going in those rounds in a typical year. On the other hand, I see guys being mocked into the mid-second round who I think are going to be good pro players with decent careers.

If you are trading that pick other than with the intention of clearing cap space or acquiring more value a little lower, I think you are using it to get a Seth Curry level veteran contributor for next year's team. Or maybe you can use it to help acquire something bigger yet under-the-radar helping facilitate and multi-player trade.
 
Scalma said:
I bet Boston would like to dump Hayward especially since they seem committed to Tatum and Brown. Turner was good in their system. Give em Evan, one of Moe/Leonard, and our pick.
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Don't take Hayward unless you get Brown in the deal. Gordon lost his first step and 90% of his effectiveness with it.
 
craigehlo said:
Don't take Hayward unless you get Brown in the deal. Gordon lost his first step and 90% of his effectiveness with it.
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He was very underrated last season.

Per 36: 15.9 pts, 6.2 reb, 4.7 ast, 57.5 TS%.

I expect him to improve beyond that, which would put him back at a near all-star level player. If Portland has the chance to acquire him, they need to push hard for it.
 
BonesJones said:
He was very underrated last season.

Per 36: 15.9 pts, 6.2 reb, 4.7 ast, 57.5 TS%.

I expect him to improve beyond that, which would put him back at a near all-star level player. If Portland has the chance to acquire him, they need to push hard for it.
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Per 36 stats for a dude on a max contract? When you are making 30 million, you need to produce at a high level without projections. Watching him vs the Bucks in the playoff looked eerily familiar to Evan Turner. An overpaid guy that you can't leave out for long stretched because his an absolute liability on both ends.

The Celtics would waive him if there was another amnesty clause.
 
craigehlo said:
Per 36 stats for a dude on a max contract? When you are making 30 million, you need to produce at a high level without projections. Watching him vs the Bucks in the playoff looked eerily familiar to Evan Turner. An overpaid guy that you can't leave out for long stretched because his an absolute liability on both ends.

The Celtics would waive him if there was another amnesty clause.
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Yeah, how dare I break things down on a per minute basis. Math doesn't exist.

He was recovering from a damn broken leg!!! He produced at a high level in fewer minutes than he'd normally get because he was recovering from a broken leg...He'll play more next season and should be better.

He had one bad playoff series and now he's trash? He's decent season of recovery is irrelevant because of those 5 games in a toxic culture? Do y'all expect to be able to trade expirings and a pick for a perfect star? Whoever we get is likely to have question marks and be a risk. That's why we'd be able to get them in the first place. And we need to take a risk that provides sizeable reward to reach contender status.
 
I'd try and work out a opt-in and trade with Boston and Al Horford, if possible.
 
"There's a growing belief around the league" Chicago is open to trading everyone on its roster except forwards Lauri Markkanen and Wendell Carter Jr., according to a report from The Athletic, which cites unidentified sources familiar with the team's plans.
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Otto Porter Jr... Please.
 
BonesJones said:
Yeah, how dare I break things down on a per minute basis. Math doesn't exist.

He was recovering from a damn broken leg!!! He produced at a high level in fewer minutes than he'd normally get because he was recovering from a broken leg...He'll play more next season and should be better.

He had one bad playoff series and now he's trash? He's decent season of recovery is irrelevant because of those 5 games in a toxic culture? Do y'all expect to be able to trade expirings and a pick for a perfect star? Whoever we get is likely to have question marks and be a risk. That's why we'd be able to get them in the first place. And we need to take a risk that provides sizeable reward to reach contender status.
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These same people are gonna turn on Nurk next year when he struggles to get back to where he was.
 
BonesJones said:
Yeah, how dare I break things down on a per minute basis. Math doesn't exist.

He was recovering from a damn broken leg!!! He produced at a high level in fewer minutes than he'd normally get because he was recovering from a broken leg...He'll play more next season and should be better.

He had one bad playoff series and now he's trash? He's decent season of recovery is irrelevant because of those 5 games in a toxic culture? Do y'all expect to be able to trade expirings and a pick for a perfect star? Whoever we get is likely to have question marks and be a risk. That's why we'd be able to get them in the first place. And we need to take a risk that provides sizeable reward to reach contender status.
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You can lookup the Per 35 for Meyers as well. It looks great, but the most meaningless of stats on basketball reference without having more context to the players' actual situation.

It's abundantly clear his career trajectory is on the path of Penny Hardaway and Grant Hill. He's not the next Paul George. Ainge admitted as much in recent interviews that he acknowledges he may not return to prime form.
 
craigehlo said:
You can lookup the Per 35 for Meyers as well. It looks great, but the most meaningless of stats on basketball reference without having more context to the players' actual situation.

It's abundantly clear his career trajectory is on the path of Penny Hardaway and Grant Hill. He's not the next Paul George. Ainge admitted as much in recent interviews that he acknowledges he may not return to prime form.
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Meyers is 15/10/3.

Its to eliminate the variable of minutes played to look at volume of production. Thats it.

Nobodys saying hed be PG.

You dont think he'll be better next year...?
 
Wonder if NY strikes out on FA’s or only signs one if they would take Leonard and Harkless along with a first. That would help them with some vets for their young guys and get a pick. Only delay their FA search another year. Sign KD this year, tank and have a couple firsts (own, Dallas, Portland) to take a big swing next year.

Also look at Atlanta to see if they would do Turner and a first for cap space or maybe prince.

I really like Bojan to help space the floor. Might have enough to bring back Hood or Kanter as well.

That’s a lot of money to get rid of, not sure it’s possible.

Lillard, Simons
CJ, Trent
Bojan, Prince, Layman
Collins, Lab
Nurk, Kanter

Would need 4/5 depth until Nurk gets back but that’s a strong 8 man rotation with shooters. Seeing how it’s worked out for others there will probably be more vet min contract options this year.
 
South East said:
Wonder if NY strikes out on FA’s or only signs one if they would take Leonard and Harkless along with a first. That would help them with some vets for their young guys and get a pick. Only delay their FA search another year. Sign KD this year, tank and have a couple firsts (own, Dallas, Portland) to take a big swing next year.

Also look at Atlanta to see if they would do Turner and a first for cap space or maybe prince.

I really like Bojan to help space the floor. Might have enough to bring back Hood or Kanter as well.

That’s a lot of money to get rid of, not sure it’s possible.

Lillard, Simons
CJ, Trent
Bojan, Prince, Layman
Collins, Lab
Nurk, Kanter

Would need 4/5 depth until Nurk gets back but that’s a strong 8 man rotation with shooters. Seeing how it’s worked out for others there will probably be more vet min contract options this year.
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Atlanta traded Prince to Brooklyn.
 
POR Gets: Otto Porter Jr, Cris Felicio
CHI Gets: Evan Turner, Maurice Harkless, Gary Trent Jr. #25

Then trade Two Future 2nds and cash to PHI for 33 to draft Bazley.
 
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