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Gronk Brady said:
I’m so confident in Dame’s leadership and maturity that I know Jimmy would work out in Portland and resign here... come on Neil, offer them CJ please!
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If we as Blazer fans believe in that, as you suggest, we shouldn't be too worried about Butler.
 
Scalma said:
If by due diligence you mean seeing if they’d bite on their lowball offer, yeah.

No way has Neil put CJ on the table.
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you may be right. I would think if butlers agent said it was good fit and he would stay, Neil would give it serious consideration.
 
Gronk Brady said:
I’m so confident in Dame’s leadership and maturity that I know Jimmy would work out in Portland and resign here... come on Neil, offer them CJ please!
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I would love to see Dame and Butler together. On the Court I definitely think they could make it work. I just don't see any big trades happening unless it's to cut salary. We lost our owner and I think that we should be more concerned about who the next owner of this team will be and how it will be ran.
 
Scalma said:
If by due diligence you mean seeing if they’d bite on their lowball offer, yeah.

No way has Neil put CJ on the table.
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I'm pretty critical of NO, but this time I think his approach is justified.

1) Unless there is a high probability he re-signs, why pay top dollar for a short-term rental that won't be enough to push you to the title this season?
2) Even if you can re-sign him, his injury history reduces his value as a long-term building block.
3) Every time he opens his mouth, the needle moves away from "too intense for his own good" and towards "just a selfish douche-bag."

For all his talent, Butler looks like a bad investment. At this point I would rather wait and try to steal somebody when the Wiz implode and have a fire-sale. I say this as someone who at one time would have traded CJ for him in a heartbeat!
 
BonesJones said:
Out of all the things we need to upgrade in our starting SF, you place a premium on playmaking?

We need an elite shooter who can play without the ball and space the floor for Dame, CJ, E.T., and Nurk, as well as someone who can attack the open lane and get to the rim if it's there. We need someone who can defend at a high level across multiple positions.
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I feel like what's made us better so far this year is that we added a couple guys who can shoot, but also can put the ball on the floor, I don't know if you want to call it a "play maker" or what, but I've been really impressed with Nik's ability to put the ball on the floor when the opponent closes out. Guys like Aminu, Harkless, Leonard, Connaughton (from last year), while they can shoot, are so little threat to put the ball on the floor that teams still played off of them all the time because they knew they could close out and either get them to pass or would make them shoot a contested shot. When the defense knows we can't close out hard because they'll just go around us that is when a 3 point shooter becomes a big threat. It's why that strategy that NO uses of saying Aminu is the guy who's going to have to beat us works, because yeah he may once in a while get hot and they'll beat us, their betting that it won't happen very often. If Aminu's ball handling was even average for a wing, if he could pump fake dribble and either get himself a shot or someone else a shot then the strategy they employ wouldn't work at all. It becomes really noticeable when Harkless and Aminu are on the court at the same time.
I agree with basically everything you're saying, but some level of adequate "play making" will be needed. Also Zach has only done it a couple times now but when he's put the ball down and went to the basket he's looked pretty good doing it, even if his handles aren't that good.
 
Gronk Brady said:
I’m so confident in Dame’s leadership and maturity that I know Jimmy would work out in Portland and resign here... come on Neil, offer them CJ please!
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Neil knows more than you when it comes to Butler. Some people can't be led. Jimmy doesn't want to be led at all..
 
Scalma said:
Who was he supposed to be led by in Chicago and Minnesota again?
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There was some veterans in Chicago, and they all
hated him. I have a tie to Chicago's front office. I'm not basing things off of conjecture.
 
BonesJones said:
There was some veterans in Chicago, and they all
hated him. I have a tie to Chicago's front office. I'm not basing things off of conjecture.
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Which veteran was he supposed to be lead by again?
 
oldmangrouch said:
I must say I have trouble seeing Butler as a follower.
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Why should he be a follower? He’s an alpha and one of the better overall players in the league.

I wouldn’t expect him to take a backseat to Dame, but I also think they’d get along.
 
Scalma said:
Why should he be a follower? He’s an alpha and one of the better overall players in the league.

I wouldn’t expect him to take a backseat to Dame, but I also think they’d get along.
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Alpha males rarely get along. Butler has too much of an alpha. Olshey has a better insight than us in regards to Butler (Its different than judging player talent, which we can all do).
 
BonesJones said:
Neil knows more than you when it comes to Butler. Some people can't be led. Jimmy doesn't want to be led at all..
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Not only that, he also demoralized his teammates (which is the opposite of our team culture) and got an ENTIRE FRANCHISE confused and bothered.

He doesn't fit and he wouldn't want to fit. I don't see how a guy like Nurkic would stand a guy like Butler, he takes himself WAY too seriously.
 
Blazers Roy said:
Not only that, he also demoralized his teammates (which is the opposite of our team culture) and got an ENTIRE FRANCHISE confused and bothered.

He doesn't fit and he wouldn't want to fit. I don't see how a guy like Nurkic would stand a guy like Butler, he takes himself WAY too seriously.
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And that's not even mentioning the fact that Jimmy want to play in a big market.
 
BonesJones said:
And why the hell would we do that? Also, one team has over $10M in cap space.. How exactly will we be able to dump salary? Lmao.
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Hey some of that young sacremento talent is looking pretty good, I wouldn't mind dumping meyers for one of them
 
BonesJones said:
And why the hell would we do that? Also, one team has over $10M in cap space.. How exactly will we be able to dump salary? Lmao.
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You don’t need to dump it all at once... you can trade for players with slightly less salary and less years, LMAO... and no matter how emotional it makes you, it will probably happen now that the team is up for sale... that’s why a CJ for Jimmy trade makes so much sense... a new buyer would get 30 mil worth of salary off the books at year end if they choose to... making it much easier to reshape roster to their preference
 
My lord, just thinking about how many bad contracts Neil gave out in such a short period of time... 10+ mil per year for dead weight in Mo and Meyers, 18 mil per for 10 pts a game off the bench from Evan Turner, and then worst of all, near 30 mil per for an undersized ISO ball chucker who doesn’t play defense in CJ... how does this guy still have a job??!
 
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