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Fez Forthright said:
My #1 trade target:

Frank Ntilikina

He's a 2/3 playing out of position in New York. He'd be a nice project to develop alongside Simons.
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Can't shoot, but he's a good defender. With Dennis Smith Jr as the starter, I bet he could be had for the first round pick.
 
yuyuza1 said:
Why? He's become largely useless on the floor. I have no use for Batum unless he's part of a larger deal to bring in a star. Climbing 13 spots in this draft is not worth that contract.
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A playmaking wing that can defend and shot 39% from outside (58% TS) is useless? His VORP would’ve ranked him third on the team this season.
 
yuyuza1 said:
Why? He's become largely useless on the floor. I have no use for Batum unless he's part of a larger deal to bring in a star. Climbing 13 spots in this draft is not worth that contract.
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It is if we can land Brandon Clarke.
 
hoopsjock said:
Who would you target at 12 that would make having a crappy player on the books for two more years thus ruining any flexibility the next two summers worth it?
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1. Cluster at 12 would be three or four players, but I’d hope Doumbouya would fall. If not I’d be more than happy with guys like Clarke, Little, and Johnson.

2. Batum isn’t crappy, just overpaid. His TS% would’ve ranked him right below Lillard, and his VORP third behind only Dame and Nurk. His playmaking is exactly what this team needs to counter all the traps teams throw at Dame.
 
Scalma said:
1. Cluster at 12 would be three or four players, but I’d hope Doumbouya would fall. If not I’d be more than happy with guys like Clarke, Little, and Johnson.

2. Batum isn’t crappy, just overpaid. His TS% would’ve ranked him right below Lillard, and his VORP third behind only Dame and Nurk. His playmaking is exactly what this team needs to counter all the traps teams throw at Dame.
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How many games would it take for us all to remember how annoying Batum's game is, 3,4,5?
 
Maybe I am being too much of a curmudgeon.....but I can't see either giving value or taking on another bad contract just to move up in this draft. :dunno:
 
Scalma said:
1. Cluster at 12 would be three or four players, but I’d hope Doumbouya would fall. If not I’d be more than happy with guys like Clarke, Little, and Johnson.

2. Batum isn’t crappy, just overpaid. His TS% would’ve ranked him right below Lillard, and his VORP third behind only Dame and Nurk. His playmaking is exactly what this team needs to counter all the traps teams throw at Dame.
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His shooting percentages were up because he refuses to be aggressive and drastically reduced his attempts per game. It would be okay if that meant he was passing a lot more but his assists had a big drop too as well as his AST%. He barely gets to the free throw line. Why did his usage rate drop so much this year? His PER is bad (not that I put a lot of stock in that). Outside of maybe Dennis Rodman (from strictly a basketball perspective), no player that can't even average 10 points per game is worth $25-$27 million per year.
 
hoopsjock said:
His shooting percentages were up because he refuses to be aggressive and drastically reduced his attempts per game.
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So you’re holding being efficient against him? And we wouldn’t ask him to take ten shots a game anyway, so what difference does it make? His primary function would be to defend, space the floor, and take the playmaking pressure off Dame. He left four years ago and we still haven’t replaced him. I’d like him back.
 
Scalma said:
So you’re holding being efficient against him? And we wouldn’t ask him to take ten shots a game anyway, so what difference does it make? His primary function would be to defend, space the floor, and take the playmaking pressure off Dame. He left four years ago and we still haven’t replaced him. I’d like him back.
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His playmaking has vanished, that is a concern to me. He had also looked old last year and because of that his defense isn't as good as it was when he was here.
 
Scalma said:
So you’re holding being efficient against him? And we wouldn’t ask him to take ten shots a game anyway, so what difference does it make? His primary function would be to defend, space the floor, and take the playmaking pressure off Dame. He left four years ago and we still haven’t replaced him. I’d like him back.
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The one thing that's hard about this and the position the Blazers are in, there really isn't a "perfect" player out there. Every single player we have any potential to get will be someone that has flaws and maybe some major ones. Even a guy like Batum whom I am not a fan of, has some good qualities too. It's about figuring out what flaws you're willing to live with.

I understand you're reasoning for Batum, but I think his contract is way too rich for what he produces, you may disagree that's fine.
 
hoopsjock said:
His playmaking has vanished, that is a concern to me. He had also looked old last year and because of that his defense isn't as good as it was when he was here.
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Playmaking isn’t something that just vanishes, youre only saying that because the assist numbers took a dip last season.
 
Batum's production is beyond awful from a return on investment standpoint. When he was on the Blazers he was the most frustrating player to watch. He passed up open jumpers, never drove to the lane and generally looked passive for LONG stretches. His passing was OK, but he was no Draymond Green.
 
Scalma said:
A playmaking wing that can defend and shot 39% from outside (58% TS) is useless? His VORP would’ve ranked him third on the team this season.
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He also had a career low 11.9 PER. VORP ranks say Aminu and Harkless are better than CJ. That stat has so many gaping holes in it. And Batum's magaical TS% jump last year doesn't seem sustainable. His previous 4 yrs were at 51.6, 54.6, 52.9, and 52.3%. A larger percentage of his attempts come from three now which caused the bump. He's trash now. They couldn't even play him at the end of their season in must win games.
 
His TS% increased cause he just stopped shooting. He posted the lowest usage rate of his career last year (even lower than his rookie year when he was a token starter). He basically stopped doing anything on the floor.
 
yuyuza1 said:
He also had a career low 11.9 PER. VORP ranks say Aminu and Harkless are better than CJ. That stat has so many gaping holes in it. And Batum's magaical TS% jump last year doesn't seem sustainable. His previous 4 yrs were at 51.6, 54.6, 52.9, and 52.3%. A larger percentage of his attempts come from three now which caused the bump. He's trash now. They couldn't even play him at the end of their season in must win games.
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That’s because CJ only does one thing on a basketball court. He didn’t rank in the top five on the team in any major categories (TS%, rebound%, assist %, steal %, block %) and graded out as the worst defender in the rotation. So that doesn’t surprise me.
 
Scalma said:
That’s because CJ only does one thing on a basketball court. He didn’t rank in the top five on the team in any major categories (TS%, rebound%, assist %, steal %, block %) and graded out as the worst defender in the rotation. So that doesn’t surprise me.
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We also don't advance in the playoffs without CJ. We do need to consider these stats with a grain of salt.

I'd take Harkless above Nico right now. Maybe even *shudder* ET. This all blows, because Batum was my guy when he was here.
 
yuyuza1 said:
We also don't advance in the playoffs without CJ. We do need to consider these stats with a grain of salt.

I'd take Harkless above Nico right now. Maybe even *shudder* ET.
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What’s a bigger sample size, an entire season, or the playoffs? I know Olsheys answer.
 
Scalma said:
Playmaking isn’t something that just vanishes, youre only saying that because the assist numbers took a dip last season.
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Playmaking can absolutely vanish when you get older and aren't as athletic anymore and don't tell me that I only looked at his assists numbers when I mentioned several other things. AST% took a ginormous dip, that doesn't just happen for no reason.
 
hoopsjock said:
Playmaking can absolutely vanish when you get older and aren't as athletic anymore and don't tell me that I only looked at his assists numbers when I mentioned several other things. AST% took a ginormous dip, that doesn't just happen for no reason.
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AST % isn’t part of assist numbers?

Passing has nothing to do with athleticism either. A blazer fan should know that.
 
yuyuza1 said:
We also don't advance in the playoffs without CJ. We do need to consider these stats with a grain of salt.
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You don't know that we don't advance without CJ....

It's the butterfly effect. If we don't have CJ and have someone who is a more well-rounded player we may not be in that position to begin with.
 
tester551 said:
You don't know that we don't advance without CJ....

It's the butterfly effect. If we don't have CJ and have someone who is a more well-rounded player we may not be in that position to begin with.
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What was Portland’s record without CJ again?
 
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