Trade Ideas Thread

[B-Roy]

https://bleacherreport.com/articles...ourced-intel-on-simmons-kyrie-lakers-and-more

Sabonis’ value around the league seems mixed, but there are several teams in the playoff picture, such as the Blazers and Kings, team executives have pointed to as potential landing spots. The Trail Blazers have Jusuf Nurkic and Robert Covington available. Sacramento has weighed trade interest for each of Buddy Hield, Marvin Bagley and Harrison Barnes dating back to last season’s trade deadline, and Carlisle is known to have an affinity for Barnes from their time together in Dallas.

• The Portland Trail Blazers are expected to primarily gauge trade interest in Nurkic and Covington, but Larry Nance Jr. seems to be a target among rival front offices.

Nothing new

 

[Scalma]

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2951461-latest-nba-trade-buzz-sourced-intel-on-simmons-kyrie-lakers-and-more

Nothing new

He did link Portland to Sabonis. First I’ve seen of that.

 

[illmatic99]

https://bleacherreport.com/articles...ourced-intel-on-simmons-kyrie-lakers-and-more

Nothing new

I think all this is relevant to us.

But with Rick Carlisle and his four-year, $29 million contract entrenching him as the Pacers head coach, there’s little expectation around the league that Indiana’s ownership and Carlisle would be on board for a full-scale rebuild.

“Carlisle is not going to allow that to happen,” said one assistant general manager. “They’re going to ‘middle build.’ They’re going to go with a sense of competing.”
Bringing in Simmons, who the Pacers have coveted throughout his ongoing trade saga, would certify as a move for the present and future. But Indiana doesn’t have an All-Star piece that would pair well with Embiid. For Indiana to acquire Simmons, the Pacers would likely need to send one of Domantas Sabonis and Myles Turner, and maybe even Caris LeVert or T.J. Warren, to a third team that rosters a star Philly desires.

Rival teams anticipate one of Sabonis or Turner will be traded ahead of February’s deadline. Which big man gets moved may simply depend on which player drives the highest price from interested suitors.

Despite ongoing questions of their positional fit, Indiana has always valued Turner quite highly on the trade market, rebuffing overtures from Charlotte and even turning down the Pelicans’ No. 4 pick in the 2019 draft that became De’Andre Hunter, sources told B/R.

Sabonis’ value around the league seems mixed, but there are several teams in the playoff picture, such as the Blazers and Kings, team executives have pointed to as potential landing spots. The Trail Blazers have Jusuf Nurkic and Robert Covington available. Sacramento has weighed trade interest for each of Buddy Hield, Marvin Bagley and Harrison Barnes dating back to last season’s trade deadline, and Carlisle is known to have an affinity for Barnes from their time together in Dallas.

The initial part of this section makes it seem like CJ could be an option for Indy.

 

[illmatic99]

Houston appears willing to listen to offers on Christian Wood, but that would require a first-round pick plus further capital.

We need to be all over this.

 

[Scalma]

So to summarize Fischer pretty much every player in the nba is available for the right price. Riveting.

 

[PtldPlatypus]

Houston appears willing to listen to offers on Christian Wood, but that would require a first-round pick plus further capital.

We need to be all over this.

Agreed. "A first plus further capital" does not sound like a crazy price for Wood. Nurk/Ant/'24 FRP?

 

[illmatic99]

So to summarize Fischer pretty much every player in the nba is available for the right price. Riveting.

hey man, he called nearly every FA signing to the $ amount the day before FA started. He's Woj without the ego to me.

 

[illmatic99]

Agreed. "A first plus further capital" does not sound like a crazy price for Wood. Nurk/Ant/'24 FRP?

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I'd try to move Roco for a pick and send it Houston's way instead of Ant. But ya, I'm all in on Wood.

 

[B-Roy]

https://bleacherreport.com/articles...owry-demar-derozan-emerge-as-pivotal-dominoes
He did link Portland to Sabonis. First I’ve seen of that.

Sounds like we just offered RoCo and Nurk which obviously got nowhere. Nothing in Fischers article really seems as close to anything he had when he gave these updates in the off-season.

 

[B-Roy]

I'd try to move Roco for a pick and send it Houston's way instead of Ant. But ya, I'm all in on Wood.

You better move Nurkic after because Wood is 100% a center.

 

[illmatic99]

Sounds like we just offered RoCo and Nurk which obviously got nowhere. Nothing in Fischers article really seems as close to anything he had when he gave these updates in the off-season.

i think most of what's floating around in the rumorsphere is just conjecture and initial offers now. Stuff should become more concrete when the trade season unofficially opens up tmrw.

 

[illmatic99]

You better move Nurkic after because Wood is 100% a center.

ya this was in addition to nurk to HOU. I just don't want to move Ant. He and Nas are right after Dame in my do not trade list.

Roco for future pick + salary filler
Nurk + our pick + future pick for Wood.

(edit: prolly an overpay, but meh we need some juice. Wood fits as a C better in today's NBA as is).

 

[Fez Hammersticks]

Sabonis - make it so!

 

[B-Roy]

Also sounds like Myles Turner has more trade value than Sabonis. I think most people had the opposite idea, but it makes sense to me. Turner is a a much easier fit on most teams and is elite and what a player at his position should do.

 

[Minstrel]

You better move Nurkic after because Wood is 100% a center.

Yeah and I think that's somewhat realistic, since Nurk is an expiring salary. Something like @PtldPlatypus' suggestion seems pretty solid--the Rockets get a first, an ascending young player and salary relief.

 

[B-Roy]

ya this was in addition to nurk to HOU. I just don't want to move Ant. He and Nas are right after Dame in my do not trade list.

Roco for future pick + salary filler
Nurk + our pick + future pick for Wood.

My problem with any Nurk/RoCo deal is you need to route them to a contender or a pretender that has some sort of agreement to re-sign them after the season. Expiring contracts historically don't have much value, especially not rentals during the season. If you go look back the last few years, most of these rental types just end up being moved for 2 2nds. Rarely do they fetch a 1st and when they do it's with a team that is willing to pay them what they're worth in the off-season (Tobias Harris is one example). Also, Nurk and RoCo are veterans, so there's no RFA status to mitigate the risk, and rebuilding teams are not going to value them as anything more than salary filler. Everything just gets so complicated when you start mapping out 3 or 4 team scenarios. I think we are going to be disappointed with the return for both of these guys.

Fischer mentions Nance has a lot of value. I think we can fetch a first for Nance. His contract situation is really nice with 2 years on a declining deal. You could probably do Nance + 1st for Wood or Nance + whatever Covington gets (2 2nds?) + Ant...

 

[PtldPlatypus]

Yeah and I think that's somewhat realistic, since Nurk is an expiring salary. Something like @PtldPlatypus' suggestion seems pretty solid--the Rockets get a first, an ascending young player and salary relief.

This may be the first time a trade suggestion I've posted has ever been referred to as "solid". Red letter day for me!

 

[illmatic99]

does this seem realistic?

 

[B-Roy]

Agreed. "A first plus further capital" does not sound like a crazy price for Wood. Nurk/Ant/'24 FRP?

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I think this would probably get it done but is it worth it? Also do the Rockets want to pay Ant when they have KPJ and Jalen Green which they're trying to develop?

If I was Cronin, I would be trying to move CJ first. Nothing really makes sense until CJ is off the team.

 

[Hoopguru]

Porzingis for CJ

 

[illmatic99]

My problem with any Nurk/RoCo deal is you need to route them to a contender or a pretender that has some sort of agreement to re-sign them after the season. Expiring contracts historically don't have much value, especially not rentals during the season. If you go look back the last few years, most of these rental types just end up being moved for 2 2nds. Rarely do they fetch a 1st and when they do it's with a team that is willing to pay them what they're worth in the off-season (Tobias Harris is one example). Also, Nurk and RoCo are veterans, so there's no RFA status to mitigate the risk, and rebuilding teams are not going to value them as anything more than salary filler. Everything just gets so complicated when you start mapping out 3 or 4 team scenarios. I think we are going to be disappointed with the return for both of these guys.

Fischer mentions Nance has a lot of value. I think we can fetch a first for Nance. His contract situation is really nice with 2 years on a declining deal. You could probably do Nance + 1st for Wood or Nance + whatever Covington gets (2 2nds?) + Ant...

i really like nance (and norm). think both of these guys have a great outlook on winning and are good additions to the locker room. It's wild-- i'd rather trade Nurk than Nance right now-- primarily based on attitude.

 

[PtldPlatypus]

You better move Nurkic after because Wood is 100% a center.

ya this was in addition to nurk to HOU. I just don't want to move Ant. He and Nas are right after Dame in my do not trade list.

Roco for future pick + salary filler
Nurk + our pick + future pick for Wood.

(edit: prolly an overpay, but meh we need some juice. Wood fits as a C better in today's NBA as is).

Also sounds like Myles Turner has more trade value than Sabonis. I think most people had the opposite idea, but it makes sense to me. Turner is a a much easier fit on most teams and is elite and what a player at his position should do.

All true, but I also wonder how well Wood and Turner might theoretically fit together. Both are centers, but also versatile enough that they could probably complement one another. I think pairing the two would be a homerun.

 

[B-Roy]

i really like nance (and norm). think both of these guys have a great outlook on winning and are good additions to the locker room. It's wild-- i'd rather trade Nurk than Nance right now.

Yeah, 30/30 teams would rather have Nance than Nurkic given the contract situation. That's why we are also trying to move Nurk and not Nance.

 

[B-Roy]

All true, but I also wonder how well Wood and Turner might theoretically fit together. Both are centers, but also versatile enough that they could probably complement one another. I think pairing the two would be a homerun.

I don't think the Blazers have enough to get both.

 

[PtldPlatypus]

I don't think the Blazers have enough to get both.

Not unless the Pacers were somehow interested in CJ. Of course I have no idea if anyone is interested in CJ. Knicks maybe?

 

[Hoopguru]

I think it’s unrealistic that Indiana would trade Sabonis.

 

[B-Roy]

Not unless the Pacers were somehow interested in CJ. Of course I have no idea if anyone is interested in CJ.

We have no idea what CJ's market is. Never hear him in any trade talks outside of Simmons so it's hard to tell.

My thought is that it's more indicative that he has no significant market. We would be better off breaking his contract into smaller pieces a la Russel Westbrook with the Wizards.

The scenario I'm leaning most towards right now is just trade CJ/Nurk/RoCo for whatever you can get and tank the season. Let Dame get his surgery. You can probably get a few picks back for the vets, some salary for some meh players that extends into next season that you can use as salary filler in future trades. Let Ant and Nas develop. Come back next year and see what you can get with your own lottery pick + whatever liquid assets (picks) you get in CJ/Nurk/RoCo. Ant will have a bigger contract next year and can be used as the primary piece in any trade. Try to get a second star to pair with Dame then.

They have until the deadline to decide, but if the record is not looking great in mid January and no star option appears I think you really need to start considering the tank.

 

[illmatic99]

think i've had too much coffee this morning.



Pacers trade Sabonis + LeVert for CJ + Roco.
We trade CJ + Roco + Nurk for Wood + Sabonis + Jackson + Batum.
Houston gets off the Wall contract and picks up Nurk + LeVert + salary fillers for Wood + Wall.
Clippers trade Jackson + bunch of salary fillers for Wall.

 

[julius]

think i've had too much coffee this morning.

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Pacers trade Sabonis + LeVert for CJ + Roco.
We trade CJ + Roco + Nurk for Wood + Sabonis + Jackson + Batum.
Houston gets off the Wall contract and picks up Nurk + LeVert + salary fillers for Wood + Wall.
Clippers trade Jackson + bunch of salary fillers for Wall.

What exactly would be the incentive for the Clippers to trade away 4 players for that trade?

 

[B-Roy]

What exactly would be the incentive for the Clippers to trade away 4 players for that trade?

Help the Blazers.

Also, all these multi-team trades where teams receive more players than they're sending out are unrealistic because you need to waive players on your roster first before completing the trade. Like the Rockets would need to waive two players already on the team to complete this trade.