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The old trade ideas thread wouldn't let me post in it so I thought I'd start a new one. It should be very active right now and then we wouldn't have a thread about every potential trade target or every guy we want traded from our roster.
 
I'll start off with a controversial trade idea.
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This wouldn't be the end of my trades. The Chicago pick would go to Chicago and our pick would come back to us. This would allow us to offer a godfather package for someone and we should do that... I don't know what star we would go after with that godfather package but that's what I think we should do.
 
I really like Hart and what he brings to the team, but I think he makes the most sense to trade this season. We all know we're not going anywhere. This isn't a title team. And he can walk after the season. Makes sense to take one step back now to hopefully go two steps froward next year. I'd look for either a comparable younger player locked up longer, or assets to be used to flip for someone else.
 
blazerkor said:
I'll start off with a controversial trade idea.
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This wouldn't be the end of my trades. The Chicago pick would go to Chicago and our pick would come back to us. This would allow us to offer a godfather package for someone and we should do that... I don't know what star we would go after with that godfather package but that's what I think we should do.
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You think Simons doesn’t work next to Dame but you expect the Nets to add picks to Ben Simmons in order to put Simons next to Kyrie?
 
And you honestly expect the Magic to trade Bol Bol and a top 4 protected 1st of a team under .500 for 2 picks years from now? Really?!
 
AngryFan said:
And you honestly expect the Magic to trade Bol Bol and a top 4 protected 1st of a team under .500 for 2 picks years from now? Really?!
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Thought it was top 14 protected and therefore wouldn't be likely to convey. As far as the Simmons and 2 firsts for Ant and Nurk... I think that trade makes sense for the Nets, they might want a third team involved if they feel like Ant won't work but they need more scoring. Also, when it matters it won't be like I'm putting Ant as the second option next to Kyrie... I'd be putting Kyrie, Ant and Nurk around KD.
 
blazerkor said:
Thought it was top 14 protected and therefore wouldn't be likely to convey. As far as the Simmons and 2 firsts for Ant and Nurk... I think that trade makes sense for the Nets, they might want a third team involved if they feel like Ant won't work but they need more scoring. Also, when it matters it won't be like I'm putting Ant as the second option next to Kyrie... I'd be putting Kyrie, Ant and Nurk around KD.
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I think Claxton is way better than Nurk for today's game. Not even close in my opinion. Much younger and cheaper as well so even if they were close skill wise I don't think it makes sense for the Nets
 
This according to Bobby Marks. He doesn't foresee us doing anything impactful this trade deadline. Sigh...

Portland Trail Blazers
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Trade meter: 5

What to watch: Jerami Grant and the luxury tax

Jan. 7 signaled the first date that Grant was eligible to sign a four-year, $112.6 million extension.

Although no deal was immediately reached, Grant expressed his comfort level to remain with the Trail Blazers long term.

"I definitely like it here; love it here," Grant told Jason Quick of The Athletic. "The guys have been very welcoming, it's definitely a family environment, everybody is super cool, got good guys on the team, great organization -- [general manager] Joe [Cronin], [coach] Chauncey [Billups], everything. I'm definitely enjoying it here."

Grant has leverage not only because he is having an All-Star season but because the Trail Blazers do not have financial flexibility next season to replace him if he tests the market.

A new contract, either with an extension or via free agency this summer, likely pushes Portland into the luxury tax in 2023-24.

Speaking of the tax, does the front office have the green light to go into the tax if there is a trade that improves a bench that ranks last in points per game?

Portland is $67,482 below the threshold and would forfeit $17 million in tax distribution by going over.

Front-office trade history: Since taking over in January 2022, general manager Joe Cronin has been part of five trades, including three last February at the deadline.

Last regular-season trade: Traded for Joe Ingles, Elijah Hughes and a 2022 second-round pick (Jabari Walker) in a three-team, five-player deal. The trade helped lower Utah's tax payment by $10.9 million. A day earlier, the Trail Blazers traded CJ McCollum to New Orleans.

Trade we would like to see: Two trades. Keon Johnson to Houston for Garrison Mathews. Josh Hart to Indiana for TJ McConnell and Chris Duarte.

Trade exceptions: $6.5 million and $3.3 million

Cash available: $6.4 million (to send and receive)

Salary info and restrictions:

  • The Trail Blazers have an open roster spot but are $67,482 below the luxury tax line and $6.78 million below the hard cap.
Draft assets:

  • The Trail Blazers owe Chicago a first-round pick that has top-14 protection the next six years.

  • The earliest they can trade a first is two years after the pick is conveyed to the Bulls.

  • Portland has four second-round picks available to use in a trade.
 
"The earliest they can trade a first is two years after the pick is conveyed to the Bulls."

That pretty much sums it up. Their hands are tied. They have no assets. I could see them not making any moves except Hart. I think they are committed to Ant and Nurk because they overpaid, especially Nurk. I would dump Ant, Nurk, Nas, Hart, Winslow, and maybe Keon too.
 
Natebishop3 said:
I'd be going after Minnesota. That team is ripe for the picking.
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The problem is, the two players they might trade, or should trade, Twons and Russel, I have no interest in. I just don't think they are winners.
 
Go for Siakam, if can't get him go for Jalen McDaniels of Charlotte.
 
Cugel said:
"The earliest they can trade a first is two years after the pick is conveyed to the Bulls."

That pretty much sums it up. Their hands are tied. They have no assets. I could see them not making any moves except Hart. I think they are committed to Ant and Nurk because they overpaid, especially Nurk. I would dump Ant, Nurk, Nas, Hart, Winslow, and maybe Keon too.
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I don't think that's accurate, at least not technically

Portland owes Chicago a 1st. The Portland 1st round pick(s) are lottery protected thru 2028. Meaning that 2030 is the earliest a pick can be traded, but since that's beyond the 7 year restriction, all of Portland's available picks are encumbered (for larry nance....geeeezuz)

however, Marks said "two years after the pick is conveyed", which is inaccurate. As soon as the pick is conveyed, all of Portland's future 1sts are unencumbered and available for trade. They could convey the first, on draft day in June, after making the playoffs, and the evening of the draft could trade any first they wanted. No 2 year wait. Marks probably was talking about the period of time between when Portland qualified for the playoffs and the draft itself
 
wizenheimer said:
I don't think that's accurate, at least not technically

Portland owes Chicago a 1st. The Portland 1st round pick(s) are lottery protected thru 2028. Meaning that 2030 is the earliest a pick can be traded, but since that's beyond the 7 year restriction, all of Portland's available picks are encumbered (for larry nance....geeeezuz)

however, Marks said "two years after the pick is conveyed", which is inaccurate. As soon as the pick is conveyed, all of Portland's future 1sts are unencumbered and available for trade. They could convey the first, on draft day in June, after making the playoffs, and the evening of the draft could trade any first they wanted. No 2 year wait. Marks probably was talking about the period of time between when Portland qualified for the playoffs and the draft itself
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Not to mention that the protection can be changed and if we were taking it off completely the Bulls would likely take cash or just a second rounder to let us do that. At this point that would be a big gamble and I would think we'd only do it if we were landing a superstar with the picks and swaps we would be freeing up.
 
Some random trade/state of team thoughts...

Barring a huge trade, like a Siakim or something, we're not title contenders this season. Buying mediocre role players with picks, the Olshey special, to fight for the 4 or 5 seed doesn't make a ton of sense to me. If the price is cheap, sure add some vet role players.

Dame can't be traded this season. Regardless of anyone clamoring for a rebuild, I'm working on the assumption that Dame will not be moved at all. That doesn't mean every deal has to be an all in win now deal. I think we'd benefit from a 1 step back to hopefully make 2 steps forward sort of deadline approach, personally.

Hart can opt out and become a free agent after the season. He likely wants a raise. Do we want to be the ones who give it to him? What's his ideal role? What contenders would trade for him?

Grant's eligible for a 4/112 extension. I think that's the extent of what I would offer him. If he gives any indication that he won't sign for that amount, I'd prefer looking to trade him as well, as opposed to losing him for nothing.

We don't have a Nurk replacement on board. When Nurk is on, he's a great piece. His inconsistency makes it difficult to know what you might get game to game, which is frustrating, and likely why him and Ant are often the team scapegoats. I don't know what teams out there would be looking for a C, but it's worth looking in to. The Dame friendship is tough to navigate, I imagine, but wouldn't be the first time we've traded away a friend of Dame's. At the end of the day, it's a business, and he knows that.

If we're floundering by the break, I think a decent option could be moving those 3 for as many assets as we could acquire, with the goal of turning those around in to a big trade in the offseason. Maybe those assets land you Siakim, or Anunoby, or the next star that wants out.
 
A few random ideas to throw out,

Hart and Winslow to GS for Wiseman and Kumnga?
Hart to Memphis for one of their young guys, Aldama, Ziaire Williams?
Grant to Indiana for the Boston and Cleveland '23 picks?
Grant to Sacramento for Barnes and their pick?
Grant to Dallas for future picks?
 
RR7 said:
Some random trade/state of team thoughts...

Barring a huge trade, like a Siakim or something, we're not title contenders this season. Buying mediocre role players with picks, the Olshey special, to fight for the 4 or 5 seed doesn't make a ton of sense to me. If the price is cheap, sure add some vet role players.

Dame can't be traded this season. Regardless of anyone clamoring for a rebuild, I'm working on the assumption that Dame will not be moved at all. That doesn't mean every deal has to be an all in win now deal. I think we'd benefit from a 1 step back to hopefully make 2 steps forward sort of deadline approach, personally.

Hart can opt out and become a free agent after the season. He likely wants a raise. Do we want to be the ones who give it to him? What's his ideal role? What contenders would trade for him?

Grant's eligible for a 4/112 extension. I think that's the extent of what I would offer him. If he gives any indication that he won't sign for that amount, I'd prefer looking to trade him as well, as opposed to losing him for nothing.

We don't have a Nurk replacement on board. When Nurk is on, he's a great piece. His inconsistency makes it difficult to know what you might get game to game, which is frustrating, and likely why him and Ant are often the team scapegoats. I don't know what teams out there would be looking for a C, but it's worth looking in to. The Dame friendship is tough to navigate, I imagine, but wouldn't be the first time we've traded away a friend of Dame's. At the end of the day, it's a business, and he knows that.

If we're floundering by the break, I think a decent option could be moving those 3 for as many assets as we could acquire, with the goal of turning those around in to a big trade in the offseason. Maybe those assets land you Siakim, or Anunoby, or the next star that wants out.
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Again, the biggest issue with Nurk is he isn't being utilized correctly. He shouldn't be stand at the arc waiting to shoot threes. He needs to be banging inside and being a beast.

I don't know if it's Chauncey not knowing how to use him (He needs to use him Ben Wallace style...he should be familiar with that) or if it's that he is afraid of breaking his leg again or just can't beast like he used too.
 
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