Trade Jerryd Bayless

[jlprk]

Bayless defenders cite the change in his statistics, not the stats themselves. He improved from terrible as a rookie, all the way up to well below average last year.

Bayless critics cite their eyeballs. He gets his stats only when all 4 teammates pitch in to get him the basket (or assist or steal) by stopping normal play and clearing out of the way. Instead of being a guard who makes others better, he makes only himself better, at the expense of others. The only time his teammates benefit is when the opponent doesn't anticipate the degree of his sefishness, and the opponent is caught surprised assuming a pass, and Bayless (doing what he has to do, he can't do anything else) bulls in for the layup (usually missed, because his mind is on getting fouled, counting on the defender's surprise at his selfishness).

This FlimFlam Man stuff works only as long as the opponent is surprised by the stupidity. Were Bayless ever to regularly start, the opponent would easily adjust and Bayless would have nothing he can do. Bayless will never be a regular NBA starter for any coach or team. He can only play in a surprise pop-up role.

 

[shamelessblazer]

I really have no idea who would want him too. Perhaps Atlanta if Crawford went somewhere (even here), or maybe Monty would want him in New Orleans (but they have belinelli and thornton), perhaps memphis if they go with OJ at point (who has size and can't drive), but it seems like many teams have established gunners or are developing their own already.

I could see him fitting in New York, but I can't think of much we would want from there. Turiaf is the only player I'd like to see on our team, and I can't think of anything that'd make much sense between our teams.

(Pryzbilla, Pendergraph, and Bayless for Turiaf and ???)

Atlanta needs some size: Bayless and Pryzbilla for Crawford (who is expiring)

some sort of three way: Bayless/Pryz to Atlanta, Crawford to ?, ? to us

 

[STOMP]

Bayless defenders cite the change in his statistics, not the stats themselves. He improved from terrible as a rookie, all the way up to well below average last year.

15.0 is an average PER, Bayless last year posted a 14.3 PER.

in general, using ridiculous distortions to make a point backfires against whatever view a poster is pushing.

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[andalusian]

15.0 is an average PER, Bayless last year posted a 14.3 PER.

15.0 is not the average PER for players, it's the average PER per minute. a PER of 15.0 is generally thought of as the "average" starter quality player in the league - so JB's PER of 16 in the playoffs is actually very good for a 2nd year player selected at the bottom end of the lottery...

 

[STOMP]

15.0 is not the average PER for players, it's the average PER per minute. a PER of 15.0 is generally thought of as the "average" starter quality player in the league - so JB's PER of 16 in the playoffs is actually very good for a 2nd year player selected at the bottom end of the lottery...

thanks for the expansion/clarification of the PER stat... I wasn't confused but others may have been by my comment

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[Rastapopoulos]

*Bump.*

I remember the second year Bayless played Summer League, when he was really trying to convert to PG, his first game was really encouraging. He got a bunch of assists and the team looked good. But then he was never able to repeat it for whatever reason. Well, this preseason seems to be doing the same. First game, Bayless gets a bunch of assists in a blowout Blazers' win. But since... not so much. Only this time, Armon Johnson is waiting in line ready to be the backup PG. And Johnson is a much more natural PG, and he doesn't have stumpy arms, and he really plays defense. A bunch of reviews of last night's game over on Blazer's Edge all say that Johnson looked great and Bayless can't play PG.

So I STILL say, trade Bayless. Of course it's still true that nobody would want him. My fondest wish is that Sacramento decides he'd work perfectly next to Tyreke Evans and gives us Marcus Landry for him (the thinking being that they have Jason Thompson, DeMarcus Cousins, Donte Green, Omri Casspi crowding the frontcourt, with Dalembert the starting C). But that's a pipe dream, I know. I'm starting to hope that Toronto or Cleveland absorb him into their trade exceptions, so that we're one step closer to clearing room to sign Fabricio Oberto.

 

[VanillaGorilla]

Carl Landry*

 

[MickZagger]

Carl Landry yes. Marcus Landry no.

 

[Ed O]

So I STILL say, trade Bayless. Of course it's still true that nobody would want him. My fondest wish is that Sacramento decides he'd work perfectly next to Tyreke Evans and gives us Marcus Landry for him (the thinking being that they have Jason Thompson, DeMarcus Cousins, Donte Green, Omri Casspi crowding the frontcourt, with Dalembert the starting C). But that's a pipe dream, I know. I'm starting to hope that Toronto or Cleveland absorb him into their trade exceptions, so that we're one step closer to clearing room to sign Fabricio Oberto.

Oberto is 35 years old and was a terrible player for the Wizards last year after being bad for three straight years in San Antonio. There's no reason to hope to acquire him, let alone work to clear space for him.

Ed O.

 

[Blazinaway]

Carl Landry*

I think a Bayless Landry trade would be good value, do note though that Landry is a UFA at the end of the yr

 

[Natebishop3]

Trade Jermaine O'Neal!....... I mean Jerryd Bayless!

 

[Haakzilla]

Bayless also has a very selfish attitude, despite all of his work ethic qualities, he is a little too pompous for his own good...

 

[Minstrel]

Bayless also has a very selfish attitude, despite all of his work ethic qualities, he is a little too pompous for his own good...

Examples?

 

[jlprk]

His FG went up from .365 to .414, his 3pt from .259 to .315, his FT from .806 to .831. His PER went up from 8.2 to 14.3

15.0 is an average PER, Bayless last year posted a 14.3 PER.

in general, using ridiculous distortions to make a point backfires against whatever view a poster is pushing.

You cherry-picked the stat which helped you, and distorted to make your point. As I said, the praise is for his stat improvement, but to stats which are still less than satisfactory. You just stated the exception that had already been written in bold face. Easy find.

 

[Rastapopoulos]

Trade Jermaine O'Neal!....... I mean Jerryd Bayless!

Insightful. How about "Trade Sergio Rodriguez.... I mean Jerryd Bayless!"

 

[Rastapopoulos]

Carl Landry*

(Slaps forehead) Yes, that one, not his little brother.

 

[Rastapopoulos]

Oberto is 35 years old and was a terrible player for the Wizards last year after being bad for three straight years in San Antonio. There's no reason to hope to acquire him, let alone work to clear space for him.

They misused him. He's an all-star waiting to happen.

Well, not really. But he is a very good passer, legitimately 7 foot, and very smart. He looked solid playing for Argentina this Summer, although I doubt he produced any stats to speak of. But I will say this in all confidence: he's better than Steven Hill.

 

[Rastapopoulos]

Incidentally, Minstrel: still think Bayless is better than Rajon Rondo?

 

[MickZagger]

Incidentally, Minstrel: still think Bayless is better than Rajon Rondo?

...and he's foreign, while Steven Hill is just a meager Arkansasan.

 

[Haakzilla]

Examples?

...my opinions come from his rookie year, seeing him in Vegas Summer League interact with his teammates during shoot-around was all I needed to see. He was getting mad and irritable if anyone shot at the same time as him, sending dirty scowl looks there way in disgust...again, this was at SHOOT-AROUND! To me, this little stuck-up pompous attitude is not good for any "TEAM".

 

[MickZagger]

...my opinions come from his rookie year, seeing him in Vegas Summer League interact with his teammates during shoot-around was all I needed to see. He was getting mad and irritable if anyone shot at the same time as him, sending dirty scowl looks there way in disgust...again, this was at SHOOT-AROUND! To me, this little stuck-up pompous attitude is not good for any "TEAM".

lol!

 

[B-Roy]

...my opinions come from his rookie year, seeing him in Vegas Summer League interact with his teammates during shoot-around was all I needed to see. He was getting mad and irritable if anyone shot at the same time as him, sending dirty scowl looks there way in disgust...again, this was at SHOOT-AROUND! To me, this little stuck-up pompous attitude is not good for any "TEAM".

How informative.

 

[jlprk]

...my opinions come from his rookie year, seeing him in Vegas Summer League interact with his teammates during shoot-around was all I needed to see. He was getting mad and irritable if anyone shot at the same time as him, sending dirty scowl looks there way in disgust...again, this was at SHOOT-AROUND! To me, this little stuck-up pompous attitude is not good for any "TEAM".

I agree with Hack. That crazy mean look on his face says volumes, especially when I hear that he doesn't interact with teammates, doesn't partake in a social life with them, etc. This is the type of player that the prohibitionist Canzano loves.

But, whether a player is likeable has nothing to do with whether we should keep him. So I'll stick to noting his lack of court vision while he makes those suicide drives to the basket.

 

[Natebishop3]

Insightful. How about "Trade Sergio Rodriguez.... I mean Jerryd Bayless!"

I don't see any parallels between Sergio and JB.

I see a lot of parallels between Jermaine and JB.

 

[BGrantFan]

I agree with Hack. That crazy mean look on his face says volumes, especially when I hear that he doesn't interact with teammates, doesn't partake in a social life with them, etc. This is the type of player that the prohibitionist Canzano loves.

But, whether a player is likeable has nothing to do with whether we should keep him. So I'll stick to noting his lack of court vision while he makes those suicide drives to the basket.

It's well-known that Bayless and Oden are very tight. Probably the only guy Oden consistently talks to, if you believe media reports. Plus, Brandon like Bayless as well, as you can tell from their interactions after Roy's big moments late in games.

 

[jlprk]

Roy and Oden. Does he interact with the non-stars? As the son of criminologist psychologists, Bayless looks up to authority.

 

[Minstrel]

Incidentally, Minstrel: still think Bayless is better than Rajon Rondo?

I haven't thought that for a long time, as you know. Why do you ask?

 

[Haakzilla]

I agree with Hack. That crazy mean look on his face says volumes, especially when I hear that he doesn't interact with teammates, doesn't partake in a social life with them, etc. This is the type of player that the prohibitionist Canzano loves.

But, whether a player is likeable has nothing to do with whether we should keep him. So I'll stick to noting his lack of court vision while he makes those suicide drives to the basket.

...and I think I may have wrote about it in greater detail in ESPN, but where is nuraman to quote something when you need him?!

 

[Haakzilla]

Roy and Oden. Does he interact with the non-stars? As the son of criminologist psychologists, Bayless looks up to authority.

...it is very lonely on Bayless Island.

 

[Nikolokolus]

I think circumstances matter and in this particular circumstance I don't think it's very likely that Jerryd will ever be able to play to his strengths given the players that surround him and what is asked of the 1 guard in this particular iteration of the Blazers (Nate and Roy as top dogs). Not only does Nate require a pass-first on offense, defense above all-else player who looks to score last, his teammates are frankly better options to score ahead of him.

If Jerryd were better at defense (aggressiveness without fouling and generating more steals/turnovers) or a knock down shooter I'd worry less about his pure point guard deficiencies, but as it stands he's not a very effective stopper and to date his jumper hasn't been very reliable.

And really the more I think about it, I don't believe Jerryd enjoys being a distributor/defender and when you aren't particularly comfortable with an assigned role I don't believe that's a recipe for longterm success at anything -- sports or life in general.

Regardless, hopefully if/when he's traded something decent comes back, because I think he does have talent.