Trade target once the Blazers core develops?

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SharpesTriumph

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If the Blazers core develops sooner than many expect who would be the next star or next key player the Blazers should target?
 
I'll throw out an extremely unlikely longshot one for fun - Doncic.

Lets say Dallas is a mess this year way in the lottery and needs to totally rebuild. Meanwhile our young core looks amazing. How about this type of trade at the deadline or next summer;

Lakers get Kyrie
Blazers get Doncic
Mavs get Simons, Murray, Rui, D'Angelo, Thybulle, 5 first round picks, all unprotected except the GSW top4 protected. (LAL 2029, BOS 2029, MIL 2029, PDX 2029, GSW 2024)

Blazers depth chart after the trade;

Ayton - Williams
Grant - Camara
Doncic - Rupert
Sharpe
Scoot - Brogdon

Not actually sure this group would have enough defense/rebounding to contend... buts its fun to think about.
 
Perhaps OG to a max contract in a sign and trade next summer for Ant, an expiring and a pick;

Ayton Williams
Grant Murray
OG Camara
Sharpe Thybulle
Scoot Brogdon

or OG for Grant;

Ayton Williams
OG Murray
Sharpe Camara
Ant Thybulle
Scoot Brogdon
 
Or if the Blazers just really suck this year - then trade everyone we can for picks and continue the long rebuild;

TimeLord and Brogdon to Philly
Harden to LAC
Salary filler and 3 FRP to Portland (2030 Philly, 2028 & 2030 LAC)

Ant for Lowry and 2 FRP (2028 and 2030 Miami)

Thybulle to Dallas for filler a 2nd round pick and a pick swap (2026)

Grant to the Lakers for filler FRP 2029 and swap 2030.


Blazers future firsts in addition to 6-7 of their own picks;

2024 GSW
2026 Dallas Swap
2028 Miami
2028 Mil Swap
2028 LAC
2029 MIL
2029 BOS
2029 LAL
2030 Philly
2030 LAC
2030 Miami
2030 LAL swap
2030 Mil Swap
 
Probably they are a 30 win team. West is strong. Is this the newest roster in the league? Has to be close if not.
 
I’d rather draft the next Jalen Williams with a few fliers and deal with churn at the 3 than dump Ant and a pick on Toronto for OG.

draft your future stud 6-9+ guy in the lottery and then develop your 3 with Schmitz in the kitchen.
 
Samuel said:
I’d rather draft the next Jalen Williams with a few fliers and deal with churn at the 3 than dump Ant and a pick on Toronto for OG.

draft your future stud 6-9+ guy in the lottery and then develop your 3 with Schmitz in the kitchen.
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I don't see how Portland can justify trading away a player making $25m year for the next 4 years for a guy who will get signficantly more this summer. With Grant and Ayton's contract on the books, locking those two up with OG long-term, and then hoping Scoot/Sharpe are legit, could put them in a situation where they are trying to manage 5 large contracts at once.
 
Tince said:
I don't see how Portland can justify trading away a player making $25m year for the next 4 years for a guy who will get signficantly more this summer. With Grant and Ayton's contract on the books, locking those two up with OG long-term, and then hoping Scoot/Sharpe are legit, could put them in a situation where they are trying to manage 5 large contracts at once.
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not to mention OG’s injury history and capped upside.

I could see it if you’re flipping Grant for OG… but not Ant.

Id rather flip Grant and a young player for OG and then trade Ant for firsts.
 
My target? 58 wins, and a top 3 seed. Preferably HCA in the WCFs, with a chance at HCA in the finals.

Oooh, trade target?

I'll trade them sucking ass for the next year or two, FOR 58 wins and a top 3 seed. Preferably HCA in the WCFs, with a chance at HCA in the finals.
 
need to know what the actual core is, and who is in it, before gauging the type of player to add

might also need to define what a "core" really means. I think it's almost never more than 3 players; and that's on contenders. Maybe less than 3 on pretenders
 
wizenheimer said:
need to know what the actual core is, and who is in it, before gauging the type of player to add

might also need to define what a "core" really means. I think it's almost never more than 3 players; and that's on contenders. Maybe less than 3 on pretenders
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yeah I think we're all high on the late offseason moves. now is the information gathering/evaluation period.
 
SharpesTriumph said:
I'll throw out an extremely unlikely longshot one for fun - Doncic.

Lets say Dallas is a mess this year way in the lottery and needs to totally rebuild. Meanwhile our young core looks amazing. How about this type of trade at the deadline or next summer;

Lakers get Kyrie
Blazers get Doncic
Mavs get Simons, Murray, Rui, D'Angelo, Thybulle, 5 first round picks, all unprotected except the GSW top4 protected. (LAL 2029, BOS 2029, MIL 2029, PDX 2029, GSW 2024)

Blazers depth chart after the trade;

Ayton - Williams
Grant - Camara
Doncic - Rupert
Sharpe
Scoot - Brogdon

Not actually sure this group would have enough defense/rebounding to contend... buts its fun to think about.
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Doncic is a point. Needs the ball in his hand. How would he work with Scoot who also needs the ball in his hands?


Pass on no defense Doncic.
 
SharpeScooterShooter said:
Doncic is a point. Needs the ball in his hand. How would he work with Scoot who also needs the ball in his hands?


Pass on no defense Doncic.
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Great offensive player, but one of the highest usage players in the league. He completely dominates the ball while everyone else stands around and occasionally shoots a '3' off of a kick out pass. That would waste most of the rest of the talent on the team. Tremendous scorer, but with his style and lack of D, I'm not sure how that translates to team winning basketball.
 
Jaylin Williams. Not likely available for anything we'd give up, but I think he'd fit perfectly.
 
RonBrewer said:
Dame Dolla for theee future 2nds and cash consideration
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Actually one potential huge benefit of the Blazers owning 3 completely unprotected years of Bucks picks is the bargaining position the Blazers could be in if the Bucks do decide to trade Lillard and the Blazers are interested in making an offer.

Look at how many dozens if not hundreds of proposals we've had of re-acquiring our pick from Chicago. That is a pick that is guaranteed to be #15 or worse. Imagine how desperate we would be to get it back if it could be a lottery pick and even #1 overall?

Might be able to trade back for Dame for a single swap or something in a few years if we ever got to the point that makes sense.
 
Wizard Mentor said:
Scottie Barnes?
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Was one of the players I was most interested in for Dame.

But sounds like Masai is just a ridiculous trade negotiator to the point it's almost worthless even attempting to trade with him. Now he did kind of give up too much to the Spurs for Poetl, so perhaps its ok to sell him something, but I'm not sure you want to ever try and buy anything from him.

Feel like he might demand Scoot, Sharpe, 4 unprotected picks, and something else for Barnes.
 
Clowney and Whitehead. Deal Ant for them and filler.
 
SharpesTriumph said:
Actually one potential huge benefit of the Blazers owning 3 completely unprotected years of Bucks picks is the bargaining position the Blazers could be in if the Bucks do decide to trade Lillard and the Blazers are interested in making an offer.

Look at how many dozens if not hundreds of proposals we've had of re-acquiring our pick from Chicago. That is a pick that is guaranteed to be #15 or worse. Imagine how desperate we would be to get it back if it could be a lottery pick and even #1 overall?

Might be able to trade back for Dame for a single swap or something in a few years if we ever got to the point that makes sense.
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SharpesTriumph said:
Was one of the players I was most interested in for Dame.

But sounds like Masai is just a ridiculous trade negotiator to the point it's almost worthless even attempting to trade with him. Now he did kind of give up too much to the Spurs for Poetl, so perhaps its ok to sell him something, but I'm not sure you want to ever try and buy anything from him.

Feel like he might demand Scoot, Sharpe, 4 unprotected picks, and something else for Barnes.
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team won't develop for 2-3 years when Barnes might become a FA.
 
Too hard of a question to ask. Right now, our “targets” should be cheap fliers on guys that might become long term fits. This is where Schmitz is going to be heavily relied upon to go though old notes on young guys who are on a team that don’t fit their timeline.

One guy I’d love to take a flier on is Ziaire Williams. Combine measurements: 6’8.25 barefoot (6’9.75 in shoes), 8’10.5 standing reach, 188lbs, 6’10.25 wingspan. Great measurements for a SF, great looking shot but still very raw. Clearly stuck on a team that had a rapid rebuild. I don’t think he’s going to cost a 1st to get him at the deadline, probably a couple 2nds. He’s a great “target” for where we are in our rebuild.

Let’s see what Scoot and Shae become before actually coming up with targets like potential AS targets. Guys like Doncic don’t fit our team, guys like Ingram/OG don’t fit our timeline. The only guys who I think are be in that target category of who could become stars are Jalen Williams, Scottie, Trey Murphy, Mobley, Franz.

Right now, I’d be just dandy stacking up our picks, letting Scoot and Shae get a season or two to develop, and building an actually-sustainable offensive and defensive system. THEN, we can talk about making all-in moves.
 
SharpesTriumph said:
Actually one potential huge benefit of the Blazers owning 3 completely unprotected years of Bucks picks is the bargaining position the Blazers could be in if the Bucks do decide to trade Lillard and the Blazers are interested in making an offer.

Look at how many dozens if not hundreds of proposals we've had of re-acquiring our pick from Chicago. That is a pick that is guaranteed to be #15 or worse. Imagine how desperate we would be to get it back if it could be a lottery pick and even #1 overall?

Might be able to trade back for Dame for a single swap or something in a few years if we ever got to the point that makes sense.
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He’ll be 36 or something by the time his contract is over. If Dame comes back (and I REALLY want him to one day), I hope it happens once Dame is no longer a star and he is willing to take the MLE or at the very least, not star-level money. I’m not trading one of their swaps for Dame back. Our situation and their situation are totally different. They’re pretty much screwed for their future. Their goal is to maximize their present to compensate for their crappy future.
 
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