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Which of these should be traded by this season's trade deadline?

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One thing to consider...

The Rockets went out and spent $63 million this year to get VanVleet and Dillon Brooks, who were intended to fill the same role that Brogdon/Grant/Williams are filling right now.

Rockets are 1-3

Blazers are 3-3

But do the Rockets have a better young core than Portland? Should we still be tanking? I still like the idea of adding one of Ron Holland/Edwards/Buzelis.
 
Natebishop3 said:
One thing to consider...

The Rockets went out and spent $63 million this year to get VanVleet and Dillon Brooks, who were intended to fill the same role that Brogdon/Grant/Williams are filling right now.

Rockets are 1-3

Blazers are 3-3

But do the Rockets have a better young core than Portland? Should we still be tanking? I still like the idea of adding one of Ron Holland/Edwards/Buzelis.
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I’ll never understand the Van Vleet one. Fun little player. But that kind of money? He won’t live up to it
 
Natebishop3 said:
But do the Rockets have a better young core than Portland? Should we still be tanking? I still like the idea of adding one of Ron Holland/Edwards/Buzelis.
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Don't worry - once we trade Brogdon the tank will begin in earnest.
 
Natebishop3 said:
Move Grant…. Othe team.
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Honestly not a big fan of Grant on this team. Nothing against him but feels like he’s constantly forcing shots, isn’t a good or willing passer and doesn’t rebound. He’s a good player when he’s option 3 where he can get away with being one dimensional (to be fair he’s a decent defender).
 
I voted Ant because I think keeping him stunts Sharpes growth. Now if you want to move him to 6th man I would love to keep him. He’s a guy who could be huge in playoff series on 2nd unit.

I think it’d be huge mistake to not have some key vets on this team. Brogdon really settles the team down when he comes in.
 
Unless a GM makes an offer too good to refuse, let the cake bake.

All NBA players have their weaknesses that justify trading them. I am more interested in finding out how the strengths of the Blazer players bond together.

Let this rooster settle down and find their groove. Plus, being able to afford quality depth is a rare luxury
under the CBA.
 
I’m super torn. I like having the vets on our team. But I also see a missed opportunity if we keep them.

Brogdon - he’s 30 and he’s going to have a lot of value to playoff teams. But if we trade him, what does that do to the development of Scoot and Sharpe? He has been a steadying hand and a teacher.

Grant - he’s at the top of my trade list. He’s selfish. He’s streaky. He’s making a lot of money. He’s 29. I also think he’s gonna be harder to trade as he ages. But it’s hard to find athletic forwards that can defend and shoot. If we move him, do we have the depth at power forward?

Rob Will - I don’t want to trade him. I love what he brings off the bench. He sounds like an awesome locker room guy. Major concern is his health but with him playing fewer minutes hopefully he can stay healthy. But he could bring a really nice return…. What to do?

Thybulle - he has essentially a no trade clause this year. He has a trade kicker. I think he’s fine off the bench. He’s not that badly paid. I don’t think he’s going anywhere.
 
I don't see any reason to tank this season. We have a G league team to mine for talent. If any vet were traded it would be Thybulle at this point because we have guys who can step into his role now ..he has an easy contract to move. I wouldn't be upseet if we keep him, he's a 3 and D guy
 
Natebishop3 said:
I’m super torn. I like having the vets on our team. But I also see a missed opportunity if we keep them.

Brogdon - he’s 30 and he’s going to have a lot of value to playoff teams. But if we trade him, what does that do to the development of Scoot and Sharpe? He has been a steadying hand and a teacher.

Grant - he’s at the top of my trade list. He’s selfish. He’s streaky. He’s making a lot of money. He’s 29. I also think he’s gonna be harder to trade as he ages. But it’s hard to find athletic forwards that can defend and shoot. If we move him, do we have the depth at power forward?

Rob Will - I don’t want to trade him. I love what he brings off the bench. He sounds like an awesome locker room guy. Major concern is his health but with him playing fewer minutes hopefully he can stay healthy. But he could bring a really nice return…. What to do?

Thybulle - he has essentially a no trade clause this year. He has a trade kicker. I think he’s fine off the bench. He’s not that badly paid. I don’t think he’s going anywhere.
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There is A LOT of time between now and the trade deadline, a move doesn’t have to happen right away. Imagine trading Brogdon before the season started and we Scoot/Ant still get injured? Lot of us here have already mentioned that eventually players will get injured and teams will get desperate. Guys are getting injured already, there will be a significant one where a team will think Brodgon who should be averaging 20/5/5 on pretty solid efficiency is going to put them over the top in the next 2 years.

Don’t let 3 straight wins against 3 bad teams fool you, we are still going to be bad, and there will be enough games after the deadline to make up the L’s if we win more games than expected. Let’s just enjoy having them help the young guys learn to play and racking up some W’s to boost their confidence, and then go young by the deadline.

Grant is also at the top of my trade list, then Thybulle. I don’t think Grant will bring back that much in draft capital but I’d love to finally find a young forward for him. Even someone like Zaire Williams and a lotto protected 1st, I think I would take. Thybulle, whatever you can get for him, great.

Brogdon will command the most in the new year I think so he can stay till then, and I’m torn on Williams. Williams is playing the perfect amount of minutes to me right now, and we know what we have in him when this roster is ready to make a run soon. Great contract. We definitely will not be playing him in non-meaningful games like when we actually tank. So I don’t think we need to get rid of him unless we get back a great deal.

Williams is the one possible keeper to me. But again, if a team offered something absolutely crazy like 2 1sts or a young player and a 1st, thanks TimeLord but byee.
 
Natebishop3 said:
I’m super torn. I like having the vets on our team. But I also see a missed opportunity if we keep them.

Brogdon - he’s 30 and he’s going to have a lot of value to playoff teams. But if we trade him, what does that do to the development of Scoot and Sharpe? He has been a steadying hand and a teacher.
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I think ideally when looking at how badly Lowry is performing for the Heat, we could send Brogdon for Lowry... it might have to be part of a three team deal or we might have to send more salary with Malcolm but it would be a huge upgrade for the Heat and it would likely mean a future FRP or more coming back with Lowry who might actually be an even better mentor for our young guards than Brogdon, since he is a former all star and has been the starting PG on a championship winning team.

Natebishop3 said:
Grant - he’s at the top of my trade list. He’s selfish. He’s streaky. He’s making a lot of money. He’s 29. I also think he’s gonna be harder to trade as he ages. But it’s hard to find athletic forwards that can defend and shoot. If we move him, do we have the depth at power forward?
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I'm just not worried about our depth or winning games this season. Teams don't get stuck at the bottom of the league because they get beaten too much, they get stuck because they suck at drafting. So for me Jerami has to go. A contending team will likely value him at a level that gets us another FRP for him or a prospect who is too young to contribute to what the contending team is trying to do but is perfect for us... along with either expirings or if we take on bad contracts, even more value in the form of picks or prospects.

Natebishop3 said:
Rob Will - I don’t want to trade him. I love what he brings off the bench. He sounds like an awesome locker room guy. Major concern is his health but with him playing fewer minutes hopefully he can stay healthy. But he could bring a really nice return…. What to do?
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It would have to be a really good deal for us to move Rob. He's a starting level C who has to play backup because of his knee, if managed carefully maybe he holds up for a while. He is still young. That being said the Grizzlies really need a post player to complement JJJ and I don't see a better guy than Rob for that role. They might be willing to blow our doors off trying to stay competitive and be really good once they get Ja back.

Natebishop3 said:
Thybulle - he has essentially a no trade clause this year. He has a trade kicker. I think he’s fine off the bench. He’s not that badly paid. I don’t think he’s going anywhere.
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I think Tisse is kind of meh. If there's a GM out there that wants to give us good value for him whether that's a prospect or draft compensation I'd be into that... obviously Tisse would also have to be into it.
 
There's part of me that wants a 1st rounder for Brogdon and Williams, and call it good. But I also want Scoot and Sharpe to develop good habits during competitive games, not blowouts where they get to play street ball. And Brogdon and Williams help our bench unit to make that a possibility. Neither are expiring, so I'd rather look to move them in the offseason, barring someone vastly overpaying.

All that being said, if we're 6-34 at the deadline, take what we can get and run!
 
RR7 said:
There's part of me that wants a 1st rounder for Brogdon and Williams, and call it good. But I also want Scoot and Sharpe to develop good habits during competitive games, not blowouts where they get to play street ball. And Brogdon and Williams help our bench unit to make that a possibility. Neither are expiring, so I'd rather look to move them in the offseason, barring someone vastly overpaying.

All that being said, if we're 6-34 at the deadline, take what we can get and run!
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Yeah, I think Brogdon and Williams are the two vets we don’t need to worry about trading unless we get a haul back. The two guys I think that we WOULD benefit from trading is Grant and Thybulle. There’s going to be teams who will want Grant imo and the return should greatly benefit us. Thybulle shouldn’t be hard to get rid of.
 
BankTeller said:
Yeah, I think Brogdon and Williams are the two vets we don’t need to worry about trading unless we get a haul back. The two guys I think that we WOULD benefit from trading is Grant and Thybulle. There’s going to be teams who will want Grant imo and the return should greatly benefit us. Thybulle shouldn’t be hard to get rid of.
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I still think Brogdon would probably rather be on a contender. He's no spring chicken at this point.
 
Would any of these packages for Grant interest anyone down the line?

Bulls: Grant for Ball + PWill/Terry + our 1st back + a top 4 protected ‘28 1st becomes unprotected in ‘29. Ball is injured but is a great third guard off the bench for next year. I’m not thrilled about either PWill or Terry as prospects, I’d likely take multiple 2nds and filler. Decent deal.

Nets: Cam + filler for Grant. I think Cam for Grant is a win-win for both teams. This is also the year he’s paid the most, he has three years between $21-23m. I’d love this deal if the Nets were willing to take it.

Cavs: I still think Grant for Allen and filler is the deal. With all the rumblings of Mitchell leaving, they’ll want Grant regardless of whether or not Mitchell stays. I don’t have a great idea of what/who we can get back for Allen. If anyone wants to take a stab a package we can get back for Allen, be my guest.

Am I missing any teams as of now?
 
BankTeller said:
Would any of these packages for Grant interest anyone down the line?

Bulls: Grant for Ball + PWill/Terry + our 1st back + a top 4 protected ‘28 1st becomes unprotected in ‘29. Ball is injured but is a great third guard off the bench for next year. I’m not thrilled about either PWill or Terry as prospects, I’d likely take multiple 2nds and filler. Decent deal.

Nets: Cam + filler for Grant. I think Cam for Grant is a win-win for both teams. This is also the year he’s paid the most, he has three years between $21-23m. I’d love this deal if the Nets were willing to take it.

Cavs: I still think Grant for Allen and filler is the deal. With all the rumblings of Mitchell leaving, they’ll want Grant regardless of whether or not Mitchell stays. I don’t have a great idea of what/who we can get back for Allen. If anyone wants to take a stab a package we can get back for Allen, be my guest.

Am I missing any teams as of now?
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No to Bulls.

I think there's a Grant to Indy trade option too
 
BankTeller said:
Would any of these packages for Grant interest anyone down the line?

Bulls: Grant for Ball + PWill/Terry + our 1st back + a top 4 protected ‘28 1st becomes unprotected in ‘29. Ball is injured but is a great third guard off the bench for next year. I’m not thrilled about either PWill or Terry as prospects, I’d likely take multiple 2nds and filler. Decent deal.

Nets: Cam + filler for Grant. I think Cam for Grant is a win-win for both teams. This is also the year he’s paid the most, he has three years between $21-23m. I’d love this deal if the Nets were willing to take it.

Cavs: I still think Grant for Allen and filler is the deal. With all the rumblings of Mitchell leaving, they’ll want Grant regardless of whether or not Mitchell stays. I don’t have a great idea of what/who we can get back for Allen. If anyone wants to take a stab a package we can get back for Allen, be my guest.

Am I missing any teams as of now?
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Is it worth it to get a young wing when most of the players at the top of this draft are most likely going to be small forward or power forward?
 
Natebishop3 said:
I still think Brogdon would probably rather be on a contender. He's no spring chicken at this point.
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I just meant until the deadline. I definitely think he wants to be on a contender as well. But I’m betting he’s fine with continuing to be here, especially if he can play into a starting role on a contender rather than a sixth man on a contender.

For example…what if Cronin Brogdon continues to average around 20/5/5 and Miami loses out on Mitchell. Clips 1sts will always be worth more than Heat 1sts, and Jimmy is getting older regardless of where Mitchell ends up. The baseline for Brogdon MIGHT be 2 1sts when his value is at his highest this season. Not sure what it is atm, but it’s too early for a team to give up 2 1sts for him right now imo.
 
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Natebishop3 said:
Is it worth it to get a young wing when most of the players at the top of this draft are most likely going to be small forward or power forward?
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Personally, I would say yes. 1, because Grant himself is a wing and we need someone to fill his position. 2, you can never have too many wings in the NBA. We are already abundant at guard between Ant, Scoot, and Shae. DA and Williams lock up the middle, and the only reason to draft a big would be a blue chip prospect like Sarr (I’m sure a couple other bigs may emerge). Camara is a good defender but not a shooter yet. Can you imagine adding Cam and Buzelis or one of the top wings on this team? Walker won’t become a star, just a good role player.
 
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CJ_is_Gone said:
No to Bulls.

I think there's a Grant to Indy trade option too
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Indy is interesting, but I can’t think of a good trade because I don’t see any players of interest to us. Walker is off the board. The trade would have to include a third team that is contending who would want McConnell or Hield.

What if we traded Grant to Indy for McConnell, Hield, and a ‘24 1st, description below:

(least / less favorable of OKC's 2024 1st round pick, the LAC' 2024 1st round pick, HOU's 2024 1st round pick protected for selections 1-4 and UTA's 2024 1st round pick protected for selections 1-10 (via LAC, HOU and UTA to OKC to IND) [LAC-OKC, 7/10/2019; HOU-OKC, 7/16/2019; OKC-UTA, 7/30/2021; OKC-UTA, 1/4/2022; DEN-IND-LAL-OKC, 6/23/2023]) (someone needs to explain this to me)

Now we’re looking at Brogdon, Hield, and McConnell to trade out before the deadline. Brogdon and McConnell will both hot commodities and Hield is a valuable shooter. Got any ideas of where to go from here?
 
I'm not hell meant to trade Grant this season, especially for a 2024 pick. Portland will have their own good pick which is likely enough. Plus, I don't want to start any of Walker/Murray this season. Don't see starter in either of them. Yes, trade him at end of season if a good deal materializes. Indy has been trying to dump Heild/McConnell and no takers. I'd stay away as Portland would be bag holders there.
 
Here are the teams that I think could use Grant.

Miami
Nets
Cavs
Bulls
Warriors
Grizz
Kings

I like the Nets or Cavs.
 
BankTeller said:
Would any of these packages for Grant interest anyone down the line?

Bulls: Grant for Ball + PWill/Terry + our 1st back + a top 4 protected ‘28 1st becomes unprotected in ‘29. Ball is injured but is a great third guard off the bench for next year. I’m not thrilled about either PWill or Terry as prospects, I’d likely take multiple 2nds and filler. Decent deal.

Nets: Cam + filler for Grant. I think Cam for Grant is a win-win for both teams. This is also the year he’s paid the most, he has three years between $21-23m. I’d love this deal if the Nets were willing to take it.

Cavs: I still think Grant for Allen and filler is the deal. With all the rumblings of Mitchell leaving, they’ll want Grant regardless of whether or not Mitchell stays. I don’t have a great idea of what/who we can get back for Allen. If anyone wants to take a stab a package we can get back for Allen, be my guest.

Am I missing any teams as of now?
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Bulls: PWill is off to a horrible start. It is early still but if you aren't thrilled with getting him then I don't like the trade.
Nets: I don't see why Brooklyn would do it.
Cavs: Not thrilled with the return

Our best bet, which is a long shot, is waiting for a contender at the deadline who is desperate for what Grant offers. (Maybe a team that is hit with a big injury?)

But for me, the problem with trading Grant is that I want a talented young forward back in return, not another draft pick. And who would trade us a good young talent who plays the same position? That narrows down the teams IMO
 
Pinwheel1 said:
Bulls: PWill is off to a horrible start. It is early still but if you aren't thrilled with getting him then I don't like the trade.
Nets: I don't see why Brooklyn would do it.
Cavs: Not thrilled with the return

Our best bet, which is a long shot, is waiting for a contender at the deadline who is desperate for what Grant offers. (Maybe a team that is hit with a big injury?)

But for me, the problem with trading Grant is that I want a talented young forward back in return, not another draft pick. And who would trade us a good young talent who plays the same position? That narrows down the teams IMO
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Nets would possibly do it as Cam is often hurt. I would like Cam Johnson but not sure how much of an upgrade he's be as a Blazer? Grants a decent defender and I guess you could say the say about CJ.
 
Nesmith on the Pacers is really good, but probably not a good fit with us.
 
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