Trade Thread - All Trade Machine Posts Here

[blue9]

Lopez / Wright / Robinson :: Hibbert -
http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=pcfkpeb

CJ / Freeland :: Greg Monroe* -
http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=qdy9nwz

OR

LMA :: Cousins** -
http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=oenqh8a

*Greg Monroe can't be traded until 12/14 so Jerebko + Singler were used for salary purposes.

I would LOVE to pair Hibbert & Cousins. Boogie has all the skills necessary to make the slide to PF. Dump Stotts and we could have a FORMIDABLE defense with: Wes, Nic, Boogie, Hibbert.

Rotation:
Lillard, Nic, Wes, Cousins, Hibbert
Blake, Barton, Leonard, Kaman

 

[BigGameDamian]

I could see Portland making a trade for Hibbert using Lopez + or bring in a veteran wing but no way that's happening.

 

[BrianFromWA]

If LMA's traded, I see him using his UFA to the fullest. He'd be the premier big guy on the market this summer. You can't trade him to a team that isn't a contender (or close) and get much good coming back, because they'd know he's a rental for 70+games (if lucky).

I think SAC's all-in on Boogie Cousins.

 

[magnifier661]

If LMA's traded, I see him using his UFA to the fullest. He'd be the premier big guy on the market this summer. You can't trade him to a team that isn't a contender (or close) and get much good coming back, because they'd know he's a rental for 70+games (if lucky).

I think SAC's all-in on Boogie Cousins.

THIS... When using the fake machine of trading, we must use realistic ideas. All the above aren't realistic at all.

 

[Strenuus]

THIS... When using the fake machine of trading, we must use realistic ideas. All the above aren't realistic at all.

It's blue9, he'd trade LMA for a donut and a scratch-n-sniff.

 

[Sinobas]

I'd definitely explore what we could get from Batum and LA. I'd trade Batum just for a salary shed.

 

[Strenuus]

I'd definitely explore what we could get from Batum and LA. I'd trade Batum just for a salad.

FTFY, figured that's what you meant.

 

[kjironman1]

A Salad???
Is that so they stay "hungry and humble"?

 

[Fez Hammersticks]

Thomas Robinson for Kevin Seraphin

Thomas Robinson for Mirza Telotovic

Victor Claver for Kyle Singler

Will Barton for Jordan Adams

 

[PDXFonz]

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=lxo2g7k

1-2 blow it up

 

[Sedatedfork]

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=lxo2g7k

1-2 blow it up

This trade machine must think pretty highly of James Harden. -16 wins? Really??

 

[blue9]

THIS... When using the fake machine of trading, we must use realistic ideas. All the above aren't realistic at all.

Riiiiiiight, because in the past all trade proposals have been entirely realistic.

 

[magnifier661]

Riiiiiiight, because in the past all trade proposals have been entirely realistic.

Well trading Aldridge is so unrealistic that it shouldn't even be mentioned. Not even "player for player worth", it's just not gonna happen.

Teams that would want him would just wait and try and get him via "free agency". And teams that have valuable players to give up, aldridge would veto because he wants a quality team to play for.

So in other words, using Aldridge in any scenario is so unrealistic that it shouldn't even be thought up.

 

[blue9]

So in other words, using Aldridge in any scenario is so unrealistic that it shouldn't even be thought up.

So if something is unlikely to ever happen it shouldn't even be allowed to be thought, let alone discussed as a hypothetical? Okay, Thought Police.

 

[Rhal]

Well trading Aldridge is so unrealistic that it shouldn't even be mentioned. Not even "player for player worth", it's just not gonna happen.

Teams that would want him would just wait and try and get him via "free agency". And teams that have valuable players to give up, aldridge would veto because he wants a quality team to play for.

So in other words, using Aldridge in any scenario is so unrealistic that it shouldn't even be thought up.

Its not unrealistic that we are bad and LA lets management know he wont resign. LMA would have to go to a team that thinks they can keep him so a playoff team looking to make a splash and a bigger push or a fringe playoff team looking to make a big move.
Its certainly a limited scenario but a scenario we have seen play out with other star players.
Personally I dont think this situation will happen but it is one thats in play until the trade deadline or until we go on a 27 game win streak.

 

[magnifier661]

Its not unrealistic that we are bad and LA lets management know he wont resign. LMA would have to go to a team that thinks they can keep him so a playoff team looking to make a splash and a bigger push or a fringe playoff team looking to make a big move.
Its certainly a limited scenario but a scenario we have seen play out with other star players.
Personally I dont think this situation will happen but it is one thats in play until the trade deadline or until we go on a 27 game win streak.

What team can make a splash that has players good enough for our team to even consider? It would be the biggest backward move this franchise would make.

So we rebuilding now because of 3 games? Geeez

 

[Rhal]

What team can make a splash that has players good enough for our team to even consider? It would be the biggest backward move this franchise would make.

So we rebuilding now because of 3 games? Geeez

I didnt say we are rebuilding nor that I agree with the premise but if LMA says he is leaving its not about what we want but instead what we can get.
Its something that is going to be talked about a LOT on both S2 and the media if we arent well above .500 by the trade deadline.

 

[blue9]

THIS... When using the fake machine of trading, we must use realistic ideas. All the above aren't realistic at all.

I also just noticed that I never added my second footnote (**), which was for the LMA/Cousins trade. That footnote was to say "neither team would do this trade". I was just imagining a pairing of Hibbert/Cousins.
Regarding the other trades, I doubt we'd do anything of such magnitude. But I think they're mostly "fair" trades based on the idea that IND wants to part ways with Hibbert and DET will lose Monroe for nothing. Perhaps the rumors of IND moving away from Hibbert aren't true, though.

 

[blue9]

It's blue9, he'd trade LMA for a donut and a scratch-n-sniff.

Untrue. LMA has value and I want to cash in on his value - I would never be in favor of dumping him for garbage.
(Now, cap space vs a MAX contract is a different issue entirely.)

 

[magnifier661]

I also just noticed that I never added my second footnote (**), which was for the LMA/Cousins trade. That footnote was to say "neither team would do this trade". I was just imagining a pairing of Hibbert/Cousins.
Regarding the other trades, I doubt we'd do anything of such magnitude. But I think they're mostly "fair" trades based on the idea that IND wants to part ways with Hibbert and DET will lose Monroe for nothing. Perhaps the rumors of IND moving away from Hibbert aren't true, though.

The way I look at it is using Spurs's model of championship growth. They kept their core in tact for most their tenure of championship runs, drafting well and stashing players that are under the radar. We aren't a large market to entice big free agents, so we must rely on our current core.

It's good to have a good core and I believe we do.

 

[BigGameDamian]

The way I look at it is using Spurs's model of championship growth. They kept their core in tact for most their tenure of championship runs, drafting well and stashing players that are under the radar. We aren't a large market to entice big free agents, so we must rely on our current core.

It's good to have a good core and I believe we do.

Comparing the Spurs teams with the Blazers teams has only one flaw. The Blazers lack big time experience. I mean the Blazers never had a David Robinson to show Aldridge the way or any other player like that.

 

[blue9]

The way I look at it is using Spurs's model of championship growth. They kept their core in tact for most their tenure of championship runs, drafting well and stashing players that are under the radar. We aren't a large market to entice big free agents, so we must rely on our current core.

It's good to have a good core and I believe we do.

That's where we differ (well, one of many places!). I think it's a folly to replicate the Spurs system. It's a good idea in theory, but in practice it just doesn't work. Why? For the following reasons:
(1) They have the best coach in modern NBA history.
(2) They built around, arguably, the best PF to ever play the game.
(3) They had two other players who, during their primes, were Top 3 for their position.
(4) They have a talent evaluation team that is able to correctly identify average or below-average players who will work within their system. These players perform well above their pay grade.

No team, other than the Heat, can claim to have one of those items let alone all four. The Spurs are a unique organization, due mostly to Pops. Until another coach like him comes along there won't even be a chance for there to be another team like the Spurs.

But this is a massive derail - this thread is about trades. Of ANY sort - pie in the sky, realistic, rumors, etc.

 

[BigGameDamian]

I'd definitely explore what we could get from Batum and LA. I'd trade Batum just for a salary shed.

Even after tonight?

 

[BigGameDamian]

That's where we differ (well, one of many places!). I think it's a folly to replicate the Spurs system. It's a good idea in theory, but in practice it just doesn't work. Why? For the following reasons:
(1) They have the best coach in modern NBA history.
(2) They built around, arguably, the best PF to ever play the game.
(3) They had two other players who, during their primes, were Top 3 for their position.
(4) They have a talent evaluation team that is able to correctly identify average or below-average players who will work within their system. These players perform well above their pay grade.

No team, other than the Heat, can claim to have one of those items let alone all four. The Spurs are a unique organization, due mostly to Pops. Until another coach like him comes along there won't even be a chance for there to be another team like the Spurs.

But this is a massive derail - this thread is about trades. Of ANY sort - pie in the sky, realistic, rumors, etc.

Yep The big thing that gets overlooked is the fact the Spurs had one of the best centers in David Robinson when Tim Duncan was just a rookie. That's huge!

 

[magnifier661]

Yep The big thing that gets overlooked is the fact the Spurs had one of the best centers in David Robinson when Tim Duncan was just a rookie. That's huge!

David robinson won only one title with the Spurs

 

[Natebishop3]

The Cavs will want to be blowing it up after tonight.

I think we should make a move for LeBron.

 

[Natebishop3]

In all seriousness, we still need a guy who can score 10-12 points off the bench. I'm fine with Blake, I'm really happy with Kaman, but CJ has been a disappointment so far. It seems like Indy is going to tank. Maybe we could get Scola and Stuckey for a few of our young guys. Scola was huge last year for Indy, and Stuckey is a guy who has always been a pretty good scorer off the bench. I think Blake, Stuckey, Scola, and Kaman would be an extremely solid second unit.

 

[blue9]

In all seriousness, we still need a guy who can score 10-12 points off the bench. I'm fine with Blake, I'm really happy with Kaman, but CJ has been a disappointment so far. It seems like Indy is going to tank. Maybe we could get Scola and Stuckey for a few of our young guys. Scola was huge last year for Indy, and Stuckey is a guy who has always been a pretty good scorer off the bench. I think Blake, Stuckey, Scola, and Kaman would be an extremely solid second unit.

I had hoped that CJ would show something so we could trade him for a player who would actually do our team some good. What a waste of our last lotto pick for the next few years...

 

[Natebishop3]

I had hoped that CJ would show something so we could trade him for a player who would actually do our team some good. What a waste of our last lotto pick for the next few years...

Coulda had the Greek freak. Sigh.


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[Hobbesarable]

The Cavs will want to be blowing it up after tonight.

I think we should make a move for LeBron.

That would be a huge overreaction on their part.