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How many trades will the Blazer make on or before Draft night(s)?

  • 0

    Votes: 13 29.5%

  • 1

    Votes: 15 34.1%

  • 2

    Votes: 11 25.0%

  • 3

    Votes: 5 11.4%
  • Total voters
    44
Cugel said:
Joe probably asking too much for Grant/Ant.
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If Rob offered a second rui and dlo, Joe would counter with ‘we want 2 firsts, Rui and JV’ which is what is being reported. the workable middle between those two things is an unprotected first, rui, a swap or a 2nd and the filler getting redirected to a 3rd team.

I don’t think Joe is asking too much he’s just making sure that if the lakers thing is DOA, he hasn’t lowered the sticker price on one of his more tradeable assets for the rest of the league.
 
bemac said:
Of course...We have the most balanced and potential filled roster we've had in a very long. Why would they build it and not take it for a test drive?
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Samuel said:
If Rob offered a second rui and dlo, Joe would counter with ‘we want 2 firsts, Rui and JV’ which is what is being reported. the workable middle between those two things is an unprotected first, rui, a swap or a 2nd and the filler getting redirected to a 3rd team.

I don’t think Joe is asking too much he’s just making sure that if the lakers thing is DOA, he hasn’t lowered the sticker price on one of his more tradeable assets for the rest of the league.
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I think Rui, JV, 1 totally unprotected pick would be fine. Rui and JV are good rotational players on decent contracts and are good trade chips.
 
SharpesTriumph said:
Do some Blazer fans actually believe this?
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Well, there is no Dame, so it isn't the best. But I think he has an argument about the most balanced in the last 10 years, depending on one's definition. (Since the LMA, Wes, and Batum days)

One could argue that a front court of Deni, Ayton, and Grant is the best 2-way players we have had since those days.
And Sharpe is arguably the best 2-way SG we have had.

So that just leaves the PG position. No one is better than Dame but Scoot does have the potential to be a better defender. So although I am not sure I would agree with his statement, it does have the potential to be a pretty balanced team.
(with a bench of Simons, Thybulle, Camara, Clingan, Williams, Banton, Walker, Murray, Reath, and Rupert)

But it is moot since I still believe Grant will be moved.
 
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Pinwheel1 said:
Well, there is no Dame, so it isn't the best. But I think he has an argument about the most balanced in the last 10 years, depending on one's definition. (Since the LMA, Wes, and Batum days)

One could argue that a front court of Deni, Ayton, and Grant is the best 2-way players we have had since those days.
And Sharpe is arguably the best 2-way SG we have had.

So that just leaves the PG position. No one is better than Dame but Scoot does have the potential to be a better defender. So although I am not sure I would agree with his statement, it does have the potential to be a pretty balanced team.
(with a bench of Simons, Thybulle, Camara, Clingan, Williams, Walker, Murray Reath, and Rupert)

But it is moot since I still believe Grant will be moved.
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I think it's a fucked-up roster, but it's valid to say it's balanced in that the 3 best players in terms of established talent, projected usage rates, and shot attempts, are a guard, a forward, and a C. That's different than the Dame/CJ iso tandem....although often last year, Ant & Grant crossed over into the boring Dame/MeJ-it's-my-turn-it's-your-turn-it's-my-turn-again-over-dribbling-one-on-one-chuckfest.

it's also the case that it seems Cronin has been working to make the team taller and longer, maybe because he's hoping it will mask the significant flaws of his starting SG

but this team is poorly balanced in the area that matters: good teams have two or even three all-star-or-better players as the core with the complimentary players balancing out the roster. Portland doesn't have a single player (yet) worthy of being a core piece, none of the veterans are, so any low-tier balance Portland might have will likely be irrelevant
 
wizenheimer said:
I think it's a fucked-up roster, but it's valid to say it's balanced in that the 3 best players in terms of established talent, projected usage rates, and shot attempts, are a guard, a forward, and a C. That's different than the Dame/CJ iso tandem....although often last year, Ant & Grant crossed over into the boring Dame/MeJ-it's-my-turn-it's-your-turn-it's-my-turn-again-over-dribbling-one-on-one-chuckfest.

it's also the case that it seems Cronin has been working to make the team taller and longer, maybe because he's hoping it will mask the significant flaws of his starting SG

but this team is poorly balanced in the area that matters: good teams have two or even three all-star-or-better players as the core with the complimentary players balancing out the roster. Portland doesn't have a single player (yet) worthy of being a core piece, none of the veterans are, so any low-tier balance Portland might have will likely be irrelevant
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Masking the significant flaws of Sharpe? I would not agree with that at all.
 
wizenheimer said:
your guy Ant will start
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No, he won't. Not over Sharpe. Maybe if Scoot struggles at PG he might, but not at SG. Regardless of your opinion on that, my post that you responded to, had Scoot and Sharpe starting.
 
Pinwheel1 said:
No, he won't. Not over Sharpe. Maybe if Scoot struggles at PG he might, but not at SG. Regardless of your opinion on that, my post that you responded to, had Scoot and Sharpe starting.
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so...a 21 win team, obviously prioritizing staying under the luxury tax, decides to carry the luxury of a 27M/year 6th man...ok

I still think Ant will be starting on opening night....if he's still on the team
 
wizenheimer said:
so...a 21 win team, obviously prioritizing staying under the luxury tax, decides to carry the luxury of a 27M/year 6th man...ok

I still think Ant will be starting on opening night....if he's still on the team
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Maybe he does start, but it won't be at SG.

Again the post we are discussing from Bemac is

"We have the most balanced and potential filled roster we've had in a very long. Why would they build it and not take it for a test drive"

What management decides to do is another discussion. But the pieces that are there, are as good as we have had in a long time.
And for me, that is Simons coming off the bench to provide what he does best. If management is not happy with Ant's salary then they can trade him. If they don't trade him then to me that means they don't see it as big as an issue that some fans are making it. It will come down to how much Scoot improves. If he is ready then he will start.
 
Sharpe or Scoot are clearly not starting over Ant next season. If all 3 are here the competition will be who is starting between Scoot or Sharpe.
 
Pinwheel1 said:
But the pieces that are there, are as good as we have had in a long time.
And for me, that is Simons coming off the bench to provide what he does best. If management is not happy with Ant's salary then they can trade him. If they don't trade him then to me that means they don't see it as big as an issue that some fans are making it. It will come down to how much Scoot improves. If he is ready then he will start.
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That's nuts - the roster that got to the WCF was clearly much more talented than this roster. Even after CJ was traded the starting roster of Dame/Ant/Hart/Grant/Nurk was a way more talented starting lineup than what we have now.

It's nuts to think we should "see what we have" and try to win because thats clearly not possible with the lack of talent here. We should be aiming for longer term.

Goes back to my prior comments... its nuts to think we can trade away Dame primarily for draft picks - and suddenly while adding no proven starters compete for the playoffs.

Much more likely we're the worst team in the league next year.
 
SharpesTriumph said:
Sharpe or Scoot are clearly not starting over Ant next season. If all 3 are here the competition will be who is starting between Scoot or Sharpe.
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So are you saying Ant will start because it is best for the team, or because of some other reason?
 
SharpesTriumph said:
That's nuts - the roster that got to the WCF was clearly much more talented than this roster. Even after CJ was traded the starting roster of Dame/Ant/Hart/Grant/Nurk was a way more talented starting lineup than what we have now.

It's nuts to think we should "see what we have" and try to win because thats clearly not possible with the lack of talent here. We should be aiming for longer term.

Goes back to my prior comments... its nuts to think we can trade away Dame primarily for draft picks - and suddenly while adding no proven starters compete for the playoffs.

Much more likely we're the worst team in the league next year.
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I said very clearly that this team would not be better because there is............ no Dame

How many games did Dame/Ant/Hart/Grant/Nurk play together?
 
Pinwheel1 said:
So are you saying Ant will start because it is best for the team, or because of some other reason?
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I'm saying Billups won't bench Simons - he's been more effective than Scoot or Sharpe. He's by far the longest tenured Blazer. They would both need to clearly outplay him in the regular season to take his starting spot. Has nothing to do with whats best for development, the team, or the rotations. Its mostly a seniority thing that is very real in the NBA, but its also based on Ant "earning" it as he has been more effective.
 
The statement was balanced, not talented.

Rather than Dame & the chipmunks or Dame, MeJ and the grunts, we got a bunch of young guys with potential, some more than others, but possibilities at every position.

Will we be good? Prolly not but if I see growth & team-ball rather than me-ball, I’ll be happy.
 
Pinwheel1 said:
Maybe he does start, but it won't be at SG.

Again the post we are discussing from Bemac is

"We have the most balanced and potential filled roster we've had in a very long. Why would they build it and not take it for a test drive"

What management decides to do is another discussion. But the pieces that are there, are as good as we have had in a long time.
And for me, that is Simons coming off the bench to provide what he does best. If management is not happy with Ant's salary then they can trade him. If they don't trade him then to me that means they don't see it as big as an issue that some fans are making it. It will come down to how much Scoot improves. If he is ready then he will start.
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c'mon man...this is a 54 page thread. The discussion has been a fuck of a lot broader than 1 post out of a thousand. We are actually allowed to meander around in the conversations. I mean, the thread title is "trade possibilities"....that can go about 78 dozen different directions...and has.

by the way, my post was all about the roster's balance
 
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blazerkor said:
Deciding to scrap our rebuild halfway through because the team is somehow "balanced" is the worst of terrible ideas. Do we have a single guy on the team that we know can play at an all star level??? The answer to that is simply, no. We don't have one guy we know will be on an all star level this year. It's a pretty safe bet that Jerami won't be. It's a good bet that Ant won't be. Those guys are complementary pieces to superstars.

We need superstars and we don't even have one guy that we can say with certainty is going to be playing at an all star level this season, let alone a single all nba level guy.

The emphasis has to be on developing our young talent. I do believe there are teams that will give us a fair return on Ant and Jerami, I doubt the same could be said for Tisse and Rob. So hopefully this front office decisively picks a lane (I know that's another thread) and that lane is building around Scoot and Shaedon, which becomes much harder when keeping Jerami and Ant because asking them to take a lesser role would be necessary and likely hard for them to take.

With all due respect I sincerely hope that the lane that the front office chooses isn't the one that @bemac and @Foxx are advocating. It wouldn't just be the wrong move it would be spitting in the face of the fans that have had to endure the second halves of these last three seasons.

Stopping midway through a rebuild so we can struggle to make it into the play-in every season until the next rebuild would be fucking terrible.
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Idk why being currently invested in winning/competing to win with a young team means automatically you’re regressing in the rebuild or giving up?

you also don’t have to tank lol. There’s a middle ground. We are objectively a much more balanced and unpredictable roster than a single year Dame was here. Does that mean you go all in? No. But there’s a helluva lot of value in just prioritizing depth and defense. Tanking means “a chance” at something. The difference in us trying to compete this year vs “tanking” is not gonna be the difference in Cooper Flagg. You really care at those odds… go get yourself more ‘25 picks… we have the assets. But you don’t establish a losing culture with these guys.. they have too much potential to waste on throwing them out there under equipped just to complain later.

Anyone feel free to die on the “we wait for superstar” mountain top, I’m more than happy watching Cronin and Chauncey build this organically the right way. We’re gonna be really damn good at some point in the nearer future, you can see it in the roster..

Clingan… Camara… Shae or whoever is 6th man.. we didn’t have those options on the bench Norman Powell our best bench piece since??? Gimme a break. This roster is more exciting than anything we’ve had since early LA/BRoy.

Hopium meets young excellence. Mark it.
 
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Foxx said:
Idk why being currently invested in winning/competing to win with a young team means automatically you’re regressing in the rebuild or giving up?

you also don’t have to tank lol. There’s a middle ground. We are objectively a much more balanced and unpredictable roster than a single year Dame was here. Does that mean you go all in? No. But there’s a helluva lot of value in just prioritizing depth and defense. Tanking means “a chance” at something. The difference in us trying to compete this year vs “tanking” is not gonna be the difference in Cooper Flagg. You really care at those odds… go get yourself more ‘25 picks… we have the assets. But you don’t establish a losing culture with these guys.. they have too much potential to waste on throwing them out there under equipped just to complain later.

Anyone feel free to die on the “we wait for superstar” mountain top, I’m more than happy watching Cronin and Chauncey build this organically the right way. We’re gonna be really damn good at some point in the nearer future, you can see it in the roster..

Clingan… Camara… Shae or whoever is 6th man.. we didn’t have those options on the bench Norman Powell our best bench piece since??? Gimme a break. This roster is more exciting than anything we’ve had since early LA/BRoy.

Hopium meets young excellence. Mark it.
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Just understand that most of the time (not every time, just most) choosing the middle ground before you know that you've found a superstar and all stars to surround him with is choosing to stay in the middle ground permanently. Like I said, if you guys think it sounds enjoyable to scrap just for a chance at the play-ins for the next five or six years just to rebuild again, then playing Ant and Jerami a ton of minutes and winning somewhere between 30 and 40 games only to give us less of a chance at getting the best guys in a draft with some real top end prospects. Cool, you guys hope for that.

I'm going to hope that Joe trades the guys who our coach has already set a precedent with that they can ball hog, guys that should be able to help win now teams do just that. So I'd like to see Ant and Jerami traded mostly for draft capital and high character vets who don't have an expectation to play and maybe a prospect. I'd like to see Joe show that he understands that we might need to dwell in the cellar for this season and maybe next in order to accrue enough guys with all nba potential to actually hit on that potential and become a relevant team.

I want championships not first round exits. For those of you who prefer the latter, I hope you don't get what you want.
 
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