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How many trades will the Blazer make on or before Draft night(s)?

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    Votes: 13 29.5%

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    Votes: 15 34.1%

  • 2

    Votes: 11 25.0%

  • 3

    Votes: 5 11.4%
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Pinwheel1 said:
So Philly selected McCain with #16. That is not bad for Portland if we were interested in sending Grant there. (Plus future picks)

Orlando selected DaSilva with the 18th. That would not have been my preference but maybe it is for Joe and Chauncey.
Sucks that the Lakers took Knecht right before them. Or maybe it was lucky for those wanting Ant gone. If they would have drafted Knecht then they would not needed Ant
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DaSilva would not be a bad piece to receive in a deal for Ant.
 
PtldPlatypus said:
Yeah, I probably wouldn't be opposed to a Grant(+Walker or Murray) for Knecht/Hachimura/future pick deal with LA
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Knecht makes more sense on the Lakers than here, we don't need a poor defensive old limited player but they could use some shooting now.

I'd rather have us just get the picks unprotected or a second pick or unprotected swaps or something.
 
PtldPlatypus said:
DaSilva would not be a bad piece to receive in a deal for Ant.
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The draft happened yesterday, why are people throwing out Knecht, DaSilva, etc proposals for players already drafted?

Its beyond extremely rare to see players just drafted traded prior to the season, basically only happens when its for a star such as Wiggins for Love. Can you give a single example of it happening?
 
SharpesTriumph said:
The draft happened yesterday, why are people throwing out Knecht, DaSilva, etc proposals for players already drafted?

Its beyond extremely rare to see players just drafted traded prior to the season, basically only happens when its for a star such as Wiggins for Love. Can you give a single example of it happening?
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Camara was drafted and traded shortly after the draft last season. I'm not sure the Blazers are interested in anymore prospects from this draft though.
 
SharpesTriumph said:
Knecht makes more sense on the Lakers than here, we don't need a poor defensive old limited player but they could use some shooting now.

I'd rather have us just get the picks unprotected or a second pick or unprotected swaps or something.
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Old... :lol:

Shooters off the bench have value to all types of teams, and though Knecht certainly isn't good at defense, I think he does have the size and athleticism to be at least passable defensively at the 2. I don't really want him as a forward, but as a backup to Sharpe (especially if we trade Ant), I think he'd be a good piece to have as part of the rebuild.
 
SharpesTriumph said:
"When" as in days, or "when" as in months/next trade deadline?

Would be exciting to get some draft capital back for Grant but after how many times Cronin has stood pat over the years while talking about being "aggressive" I'm not sure I expect more moves soon.

There were trade deadlines, Dame/Jrue deadline for avoiding camp, tax deadline from yesterdays trade that involved picks/cap space. Cronin has done nearly zero trades since taking over for Olshey when there wasn't some sort of deadline he was against. Acquiring Grant from Detroit was the only one.
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Was there really a deadline when he traded Dame? He didn't have to trade him at all.
He was aggressive yesterday by trading two picks and Brogdon.
We might all want everything wrapped up in a nice little package with a bow on it, but it doesn't work that way. At the very least we have all of July. I don't see the rush.
 
Pinwheel1 said:
Was there really a deadline when he traded Dame? He didn't have to trade him at all.
He was aggressive yesterday by trading two picks and Brogdon.
We might all want everything wrapped up in a nice little package with a bow on it, but it doesn't work that way. At the very least we have all of July. I don't see the rush.
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Training camp was the organizational deadline and Dame was traded a couple days prior.
 
Pinwheel1 said:
So a deadline set by........ Joe
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It was to avoid the circus and spectacle of Dame at media day/ etc and that going into camp then the season.

Now there are no similar deadlines for the Blazers until February.
 
SharpesTriumph said:
It was to avoid the circus and spectacle of Dame at media day/ etc and that going into camp then the season.

Now there are no similar deadlines for the Blazers until February.
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So you're confident that Joe will not make any trades until February? My guess is you would not wager real money on
that theory. If you would keep me in mind. I take Venmo.
 
Pinwheel1 said:
So you're confident that Joe will not make any trades until February? My guess is you would not wager real money on
that theory. If you would keep me in mind. I take Venmo.
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I never said that. I really don't have enough insight to bet either way. I responded to a quote that said its a matter of "When" not if the next trade happens. I really have no idea what to think of this front office.

Do they want to win now with Grant or other vets?
Did Simons end of season comments of being sick of losing or Joe not naming him yesterday mean anything?
Do they want to move on from Ayton?
Do they prioritize youth/picks or a win now player?

Track record on Joe closing a non deadline deal is just extremely infrequent, so yeah that would lead me to suspect we might not have any other move until the season. I think the broad consensus on this board seems to be that Joe is going to do one or more trades soon so I was just pushing back on that a bit as I think fans are underestimating the likelihood we stand pat with the roster as is.
 
BigGameDamian said:
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Does anyone have the exact quote of the questions asked to Cronin before that? I can't remember if it was a question(s) more about developing our players which would make sense he singled out a Scoot/Sharpe response. He mentioned Ayton from a direct question about him. I don't think he mentioned Grant or others either.
 
SharpesTriumph said:
I never said that. I really don't have enough insight to bet either way. I responded to a quote that said its a matter of "When" not if the next trade happens. I really have no idea what to think of this front office.

Do they want to win now with Grant or other vets?
Did Simons end of season comments of being sick of losing or Joe not naming him yesterday mean anything?
Do they want to move on from Ayton?
Do they prioritize youth/picks or a win now player?

Track record on Joe closing a non deadline deal is just extremely infrequent, so yeah that would lead me to suspect we might not have any other move until the season. I think the broad consensus on this board seems to be that Joe is going to do one or more trades soon so I was just pushing back on that a bit as I think fans are underestimating the likelihood we stand pat with the roster as is.
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Fair enough...... but I feel like just two summers of Joe is not enough to suggest he has a "track record"
Each summer has different needs. And GMs, much like players, do improve as they get more experience.
 
Pinwheel1 said:
I am hoping to take a flyer on either Furphy, Smith, or Flipowski
Who else at 34?
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I'm hoping we flip both our 2nd for multiple future 2nds. We lost two in the Wizards trade so we're nearly out of them. This draft sucks, and we may have much more use for them in future years if we are up against the luxury tax.
 
Pinwheel1 said:
I am hoping to take a flyer on either Furphy, Smith, or Flipowski
Who else at 34?
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Yeah, Flip is supposedly a 4/5 so I guess he could work.

I like Smith. He's another big swing player so I think he could make a lot of sense.
 
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I'm looking at Dallas and I'm just not seeing it. They don't have any draft capital....

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Natebishop3 said:
Would you do this trade?

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I'd certainly do this but I doubt the Lakers do it. Grant isn't worth 3 FRP. I'd let them keep Knecht he has way more value to them than us.

I'd certainly do it for both the 2029 and 2031 picks unprotected. I doubt the Lakers would do that either. If they only offer one and lets say a 2030 swap I'd probably eventually do it instead of bringing Grant back to camp. But I'd go through the league and see if any team could beat that first.
 
SharpesTriumph said:
I'd certainly do this but I doubt the Lakers do it. Grant isn't worth 3 FRP. I'd let them keep Knecht he has way more value to them than us.

I'd certainly do it for both the 2029 and 2031 picks unprotected. I doubt the Lakers would do that either. If they only offer one and lets say a 2030 swap I'd probably eventually do it instead of bringing Grant back to camp. But I'd go through the league and see if any team could beat that first.
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The rights to Knecht would likely be included in an actual deal. Lakers send out Rui, Knecht, Vincent, and maybe a future first for Grant, Reath, and the rights to Bronny.
 
Natebishop3 said:
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Ugh, I kind of despise trade proposals like this one, which very clearly way overestimate Grant's value. I don't think there is a chance at all you get Knecht, Rui, and two future firsts (even protected) from Lakers for Grant. Honestly, it's frustrating because if/when a trade does actually occur that is perhaps much more balanced, everyone freaks out because their expectations were simply set beyond the realm of reasonability.
 
SharpesTriumph said:
Does anyone have the exact quote of the questions asked to Cronin before that? I can't remember if it was a question(s) more about developing our players which would make sense he singled out a Scoot/Sharpe response. He mentioned Ayton from a direct question about him. I don't think he mentioned Grant or others either.
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"Joe you said after that moment of celebration wears off it turns to what's next and what else you're trying to do here. What's next and what are you trying to do here?" Reporter asks

Joe answers, "Yeah so tomorrow, go through the second round. We have two picks there 34 and 40 which are pretty good picks. So obviously we'll get that accomplished and figure that portion of, you know, the next step in the process figured out. Beyond that get into the off season and still look for ways to get better. I mean, like I said we've got to continue to build this talent base and you know we're committed to Scoot and Shaedon being a massive part of what we're doing and how do we find ways to, you know, give them the support they need and make them better and maximize their development. So it's continually seeking players that we can add to this roster that we can grow with and build together with."

That's it. No actual question that prompted Joe to only mention Scoot and Shaedon as the future of this franchise. The next question was a good one to follow up.

Reporter said, "In that you're committed to this young nucleus, is it likely that some of the older guys might get moved?"

Joe answers, "I don't know if I'd say likely, I think throughout this whole off season I've been open minded, again with the mindset that we need to get better and I think in some ways we need to get different. So I think my goal is just to really work the phones and be open minded and be opportunistic about, you know, finding players that can help us in not just the short term but the long term and I think you'll see that theme with some of our additions, that we are looking at putting a runway here that where these guys can be really good for, hopefully a long time and just trying to find guys that fit that mold."

Personally I think Joe saying that first phrase of "I don't know if I'd say likely..." was pure bullshit because everything he said afterwards sounded like they're going to be very active during the rest of this off season and we have fourteen players under contract right now and I don't think the 34th pick is usually one that goes on a two way but regardless, we don't have the roster spots available to be active like everything after "I don't know if I'd say likely..." sounded like Joe wants to be. So I think we can expect a trade or two and I think leaving Ant out of that statement that he just volunteered is pretty telling that Ant will be on his way out just because who else do you need to move to clear the runway for Scoot and Shae?

He also said earlier in the presser that (paraphrasing) they'd been really active on the phones and planted a lot of seeds. I still think that means they have deals in place with multiple teams if those teams don't get the top tier free agents that they want. Last year it was Ant and Jerami are our best players every time we heard Joe speak and due to the fact Joe decided to declare Scoot and Shaedon our future and leave Ant conspicuously out, I think that means Ant is probably close to a lock to be traded. I think Jerami is also very likely to be traded. In the past Joe has identified the first week of free agency as an area where you can get the most things done so we're not too far from finding out.
 
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Graduate32 said:
Ugh, I kind of despise trade proposals like this one, which very clearly way overestimate Grant's value. I don't think there is a chance at all you get Knecht, Rui, and two future firsts (even protected) from Lakers for Grant. Honestly, it's frustrating because if/when a trade does actually occur that is perhaps much more balanced, everyone freaks out because their expectations were simply set beyond the realm of reasonability.
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Okay, let me ask you a question then. What are the Lakers gonna do?

LeBron is 40.
AD is 31.

They won 47 games last year, which was 8th in the west. How do they improve that team? The window might already be closed for them. How many more years can LeBron play at a high level? And who else is out there? What other borderline All-Star level players are on the market? Yes, it's an overpay. They don't have a choice. They have to overpay for someone because their team isn't good enough to win a title right now.

The Nets just got 5 first rounders and swaps for Bridges. Obviously Grant isn't anywhere near as good as Bridges, but we just sent 2 first rounders to the Wizards AND Brogdon for Avdija. So is it so outrageous that Grant could be worth two firsts and Dalton Knecht, plus filler?
 
RR7 said:
you know. you know. you know. Got a bit of Aldridge to him, eh?
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I left out two more you knows because they were super quick and under his breath. Yeah those are his filler words. He ums a little too but again those aren't usually part of a quote.
 
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