Trades possibilities....and what teams are open for business

[blazerkor]

The current roster (in theory) is excellently constructed.

Yeah compared to past years this roster is pretty damned balanced in terms of size, skill set and talent across positions.

I've said a few times that this whole thing works pretty well if Ant and Jerami stop going 1 on 5. I personally don't think Jerami will be playing his best ball anymore when the bulk of the talent on this roster is ready to start playing theirs but for just this year the only problem I see is if Jerami and Ant can buy into the system on offense and if they are going to get in the way of the development of Scoot and Shaedon who are our highest ceiling players on the roster.

 

[Natebishop3]

From BR…
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Joes no pushover, I like it

Word for word from that Irwin dude's podcast.

 

[blazerkor]

Is there any danger of us not ending up with Avdija? Because that would suck. I don't think we've got much use for Bub Carrington.

It's still the moratorium but there is no reason to believe that a trade already agreed to would be in any sort of peril... unless I'm missing something. Is there a tweet or article that caused you to question the reported deal?

 

[SharpesTriumph]

Trying to think of ideas trade possibilities that might surprise us if the Blazers go for more of a win now path. Trading two picks for Deni isn't really a win later move, although he is young.

Here is an idea if we wanted to go for it now... Garland is rumored to not want to play with Mitchell, and he proved to be effective enough without him he may warrant "his own team".




Blazers lineup after this trade

Garland Simons
Sharpe
Deni Thybulle
Grant Camara
Turner Clingan

 

[BigGameDamian]

 

[JfizzleBlazer]

Thanks highkin for repeating the obvious.

 

[HoopsFanAZ]

We heard this last week and came to the same conclusion … last week.
Grant looks like he’s the first trade priority though Cronin will pivot to Ant if teams are serious.
Again, obvious. But it’s also a good thing not to have to generate all the trade talk alone.

 

[HailBlazers]

Thanks highkin for repeating the obvious.

Phrase ad nauseam comes to mind.

 

[Ripcity4life77]

Cronin is so wishy washy cause I want to say at some point maybe at end of season he said Ant was a part of the core or something but I could be wrong.

 

[PtldPlatypus]

Trying to think of ideas trade possibilities that might surprise us if the Blazers go for more of a win now path. Trading two picks for Deni isn't really a win later move, although he is young.

Here is an idea if we wanted to go for it now... Garland is rumored to not want to play with Mitchell, and he proved to be effective enough without him he may warrant "his own team".


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Blazers lineup after this trade

Garland Simons
Sharpe
Deni Thybulle
Grant Camara
Turner Clingan

I see the Cavs being on board with turning Garland into Ingram, but I doubt they have any interest in parting with Allen, even for Scoot and 2 firsts.

 

[Whyachi]

Trying to think of ideas trade possibilities that might surprise us if the Blazers go for more of a win now path. Trading two picks for Deni isn't really a win later move, although he is young.

it's a good thing I listen to the team insiders. See... Avdija is the same age as Dalton Knecht. That's why Cronin could sell the #14 pick to duck his own tax excursion. Therefore, oh rats, I'm lost.

screw it, Go Blazers !!

 

[Predator]

Ain’t no way teams are gonna give up what we are asking for Jerami and Ant. They’re not even borderline all stars.

 

[BigGameDamian]

Ain’t no way teams are gonna give up what we are asking for Jerami and Ant. They’re not even borderline all stars.

That’s what I was asking a couple days ago. Is the Blazers asking price too high on those two?

 

[inconceivable]

Ain’t no way teams are gonna give up what we are asking for Jerami and Ant. They’re not even borderline all stars.

Jerami is ok 3rd / great 4th option

 

[SharpesTriumph]

I see the Cavs being on board with turning Garland into Ingram, but I doubt they have any interest in parting with Allen, even for Scoot and 2 firsts.

Rumors are they may break up the Mobley Allen duo as it doesn't have enough shooting.

 

[ant]

Rumors are they may break up the Mobley Allen duo as it doesn't have enough shooting.

I love Allen. Maybe Ayton would be a better pairing with Mobley on offense. How about a swap of Ayton for Allen/Strus? Then we have a great defensive rotation at center with Allen/RW/Clingan.

 

[Samuel]

That’s what I was asking a couple days ago. Is the Blazers asking price too high on those two?

I think the asking price is fine, the problem is that with where the lakers are in their timeline and how far out the picks are (and how many picks they have total), it becomes a much steeper price that frankly would be a tick irresponsible if you’re rob pelinka. I don’t think rob believes they’re a jerami grant away from a title, and I don’t think I disagree.

with Orlando, theyre ‘just’ early enough in their competitive window that it doesn’t seem like they want the expectations clock to start quite yet. I also have the sneaky suspicion that Joe values ant even more than jerami when it comes to his asking price.

 

[PtldPlatypus]

Rumors are they may break up the Mobley Allen duo as it doesn't have enough shooting.

If that's the case, I'd think the Pacers and Cavs would be better off just swapping Allen and Turner. Ayton isn't really an upgrade (IMO)

 

[Rastapopoulos]

Rumors are they may break up the Mobley Allen duo as it doesn't have enough shooting.

If they do it will be a straight-up swap of Allen and Brandon Ingram. We have nothing that would interest them that much.

 

[Boomchakalaka2]

If that's the case, I'd think the Pacers and Cavs would be better off just swapping Allen and Turner. Ayton isn't really an upgrade (IMO)

Ayton would fit:

New Orleans
Atlanta
Houston
NY Knicks
Charlotte
Toronto

thoughts?

 

[blazerkor]

Ayton would fit:

New Orleans
Atlanta
Houston
NY Knicks
Charlotte
Toronto

thoughts?

He would be a huge get for any of those teams I just don't know what the trades look like that get him there or if our GM is even remotely interested in moving him until he sees what Clingan can and can't do against NBA talent.

 

[Boomchakalaka2]

He would be a huge get for any of those teams I just don't know what the trades look like that get him there or if our GM is even remotely interested in moving him until he sees what Clingan can and can't do against NBA talent.

Picks is about it (and crappy contracts) but this seems appealing to most.

 

[cheesehoff]

He would be a huge get for any of those teams I just don't know what the trades look like that get him there or if our GM is even remotely interested in moving him until he sees what Clingan can and can't do against NBA talent.

If Sengun was part of the trade I would love that move. I thought there were posters on here that said Sengun was available. He's only 21 going into year 4 after avg 21 pts, 8 rebs and 5 assists on decent shooting %'s.
I'm not a fan of DA so it kind of clouds my judgement on his trade value.

 

[PtldPlatypus]

If Sengun was part of the trade I would love that move. I thought there were posters on here that said Sengun was available. He's only 21 going into year 4 after avg 21 pts, 8 rebs and 5 assists on decent shooting %'s.
I'm not a fan of DA so it kind of clouds my judgement on his trade value.

I completely agree with you. I don't see why Houston would be moving on from Sengun at all, and if they do, I certainly don't see why they would take DA in his place.

 

[SharpesTriumph]

How would you rank Blazers asset value? I think mine would be;

Sharpe
2029 FRP
2025 FRP
Deni
Scoot
FRP others
Clingan
Ant
Grant
Camara
Ayton
0 value
Thybulle
Timelord
Rupert
Murray

Would be interesting to rank on a scale of 1-10 or something against historical Blazers rosters. I suspect after Sharpe and two FRP all our assets have very little value compared to Blazers rosters of other eras. Whitsitt roster between Clyde and Sheed eras, then John Nash rosters before Roy were two low points.

 

[wizenheimer]

How would you rank Blazers asset value? I think mine would be;

Sharpe
2029 FRP
2025 FRP
Deni
Scoot
FRP others
Clingan
Ant
Grant
Camara
Ayton
0 value
Thybulle
Timelord
Rupert
Murray

Would be interesting to rank on a scale of 1-10 or something against historical Blazers rosters. I suspect after Sharpe and two FRP all our assets have very little value compared to Blazers rosters of other eras. Whitsitt roster between Clyde and Sheed eras, then John Nash rosters before Roy were two low points.

I'd probably put Grant & Ayton ahead of Ant. And I'd doubt any 2029 pick would be ahead of Avdija, Scoot, & Clingan

 

[SharpesTriumph]

I'd probably put Gant & Ayton ahead of Ant. And I'd doubt any 2029 pick would be ahead of Avdija, Scoot, & Clingan

I have them all worth less than any single of our FRP and would rank them very similarly. That's why I'd be super happy with one FRP for Grant if it's unprotected. If Cronin is actually demanding two unprotected FRP from the Lakers he's way too unrealistic which risks us missing out as with Timelord last year.

The 2029 pick is the best of PDX, BOS, MIL. It has much higher upside than those Blazers players as it could be Tatum/Brown/Flagg/Paulo/etc level of prospect, and the best pick of 3 teams has value multiplied. The value of Avdija Scoot Clingan has much less variance but it doesn't have near the upside. I could see an argument the average expected value of the 2029 pick is lower, but that upside component is so much more valuable if realized and potentially contending player impact to the team I'd clearly rank the pick higher.

 

[wizenheimer]

I have them all worth less than any single of our FRP and would rank them very similarly. That's why I'd be super happy with one FRP for Grant if it's unprotected. If Cronin is actually demanding two unprotected FRP from the Lakers he's way too unrealistic.

The 2029 pick is the best of PDX, BOS, MIL. It has much higher upside than those Blazers players as it could be Tatum/Brown/Flagg/Paulo/etc level of prospect, and the best pick of 3 teams unprotected is super valuable. The value of Avdija Scoot Clingan has much less variance but it doesn't have near the upside. I could see an argument the average expected value of the 2029 pick is lower, but that upside component is so much more valuable if realized and potentially contending player impact to the team I'd rank it higher.

I think for every year between now and the 2029 pick, it loses a portion of it's value. 5 years is an eternity in the NBA. Based on this last season, Portland's 2025 pick is worth a lot more than the best 2029 pick

 

[BIG Q]

How would you rank Blazers asset value? I think mine would be;

Sharpe
2029 FRP
2025 FRP
Deni
Scoot
FRP others
Clingan
Ant
Grant
Camara
Ayton
0 value
Thybulle
Timelord
Rupert
Murray

Would be interesting to rank on a scale of 1-10 or something against historical Blazers rosters. I suspect after Sharpe and two FRP all our assets have very little value compared to Blazers rosters of other eras. Whitsitt roster between Clyde and Sheed eras, then John Nash rosters before Roy were two low points.

Portlands 2026 FRP should be listed after the 2025 FRP in my opinion. That draft class currently has Boozer and others. They should also be listed ahead of classes like 2029 who are what, in the 8th grade and unknown? I understand hoping Boston or Milwaukee go into the lotto by 2029, but not a certainty. I would also list Ayton higher, especially if he has a great season putting up 20/12 and will be on an expiring contract after the season. I believe Grant has more value league wide currently, but after this season Ant becomes an expiring contract as well, changing his value.

 

[SharpesTriumph]

I think for every year between now and the 2029 pick, it loses a portion of it's value. 5 years is an eternity in the NBA. Based on this last season, Portland's 2025 pick is worth a lot more than the best 2029 pick

I don't see it that way at all. The 2025 Blazers pick has a ton of value as the team is projected to be bad and the draft is loaded.

The Bucks and Celtics are great teams now so their 2025 picks have much less value. Their 2029 picks have much higher value, especially the Bucks who have few other assets on that roster.

The draft strength component is less certain so in 2029 it's less valuable than the known 2025 strong draft. But a less certain value is better than the known bad value of the 2024 draft so it's probably somewhere in between.

I don't believe draft picks years out are inherently less valuable than an earlier pick. That's just something fans are concerned with or impatient with. The picks worth is estimated and it can be bought or sold today, months from now, years later, or at that eventual draft.