Trades possibilities....and what teams are open for business

[wizenheimer]

Clippers dont have the contracts or assets

Bucks only option is a Kris Middleton swap

Pels seem like the best option as part of an Ingram trade

kind of confusing why the Pels would trade Ingram to add Grant

 

[BigGameDamian]

 

[HoopsFanAZ]

kind of confusing why the Pels would trade Ingram to add Grant

The word is the Pels and Ingram are far apart on negotiations, so he’s on the block. Grant matches their win-now timeline and costs less now and moving forward.

 

[blazerkor]

Ok it's not accurate but if so how -- what other teams ?...

Mavs -- Klay -- do not need Grant
Kings - DeMarr -- ditto
Warriors -- I think after a few recent deals not likely
Philly -- PG -- really do not need

So WHO ?? If your going to make a statement so absolute then tell me who -- this is something i have learned to try and do -- doing blanket statements is not a good argument / comeback most of the time. I should know I have been guilty of this many times and am trying not to do it as much so again -- WHO ?? or what team and tell me why that team

So your question is who?!? There are a ton of playoff teams that could use an upgrade at wing that Jerami would provide but the better question is who else are the Lakers going to get that makes more sense for them? The answer is no one.

We'll see what happens but I think Joe and Pelinka are playing a game of chicken and that game will stop once they meet face to face in Vegas next week. I think the Lakers aren't likely to pony up both their 2029 and 2030 FRPs but I could definitely see something with DLo or Rui going to a third team that gets Joe the two firsts he's looking for.

The question then moves to Ant. Did him saying he wants to win now mean anything? Did Joe mentioning our two young guards and not mentioning Ant mean anything? Finally does Highkin's report that after Jerami the front office will move onto finding Ant a knew home mean anything? I think the answer to all three of those questions is yes.

I think it depends on who is used as the likely third team in the Jerami trade but after Jerami is traded I think Joe has multiple spots for Ant. Even if Jerami isn't traded to the Lakers and goes somewhere else like the Pels. I think Joe has multiple contingencies for both guys.

Maybe he doesn't but we'll know sooner than later. I still predict we'll enter training camp without Ant and Jerami, even younger and with more future first round picks.

 

[LayneStaley]

kind of confusing why the Pels would trade Ingram to add Grant

I just can’t see Ant and BI on the same roster, that would be insane with the same baby momma.

 

[LayneStaley]

I will say a lineup of…

Scoot
Sharpe
Deni
BI
Clingan

Would be pretty nice(BI being the old guy at 26, almost 27) We can’t have a roster of all 19-23 year olds and he’s 3.5 years younger than Grant. Long shot but I like his game.

 

[andalusian]

kind of confusing why the Pels would trade Ingram to add Grant

Because Ingram would cost a lot more to extend and they are desperate to stay under the tax limit.

But, if Portland and the Pels do business, it will be for a center IMHO. I suspect they want to deal Ingram and run a herb jones, Murphy tandem next to Murray and Zion. They need a center and Portland has extras.

 

[beast blazer]

The word is the Pels and Ingram are far apart on negotiations, so he’s on the block. Grant matches their win-now timeline and costs less now and moving forward.

Would the Blazers want to offer Ingram the max next off season? I doubt they are interested in that.

 

[Pinwheel1]

kind of confusing why the Pels would trade Ingram to add Grant

Ingram is a bit of an enigma to me. From purely a basketball viewpoint he would be a great addition for many teams. The Blazers included. Already an all-star who is just entering his prime. Teams should be lining up to get him. But they are not. Why is that?
It is certainly not his skill set. Unless there are some off-court concerns I would roll the dice on him as long as it doesn't cost us our future.......considering he is a free agent.

 

[Sheldon Shape]

Ingram is a bit of an enigma to me. From purely a basketball viewpoint he would be a great addition for many teams. The Blazers included. Already an all-star who is just entering his prime. Teams should be lining up to get him. But they are not. Why is that?
It is certainly not his skill set. Unless there are some off-court concerns I would roll the dice on him as long as it doesn't cost us our future.......considering he is a free agent.

Dude is always injured. Nice offensive player, but that's it.

 

[PtldPlatypus]

Kinda feels like the Pelicans are in a similar spot with Ingram as the Blazers are with Grant. Started the offseason with a lot of potential landing spots, but those have dwindled, and now people are wondering who's left who's interested, and will he even get traded at all. I bet the Lakers would be willing to go all in on Ingram the way they're not willing to for Grant, but would that be enough for the Pelicans?

 

[wizenheimer]

Because Ingram would cost a lot more to extend and they are desperate to stay under the tax limit.

But, if Portland and the Pels do business, it will be for a center IMHO. I suspect they want to deal Ingram and run a herb jones, Murphy tandem next to Murray and Zion. They need a center and Portland has extras.

thus, the Ayton for Ingram ideas with Ingram going to a 3rd team and the Blazers getting oodles of draft assets

I'd wonder, with Ingram's contract status and extensive injury history, does he really have significantly more value than Grant?

 

[Cugel]

I have no interest in BI. Injury prone.

 

[wizenheimer]

Kinda feels like the Pelicans are in a similar spot with Ingram as the Blazers are with Grant. Started the offseason with a lot of potential landing spots, but those have dwindled, and now people are wondering who's left who's interested, and will he even get traded at all. I bet the Lakers would be willing to go all in on Ingram the way they're not willing to for Grant, but would that be enough for the Pelicans?

enter, from stage left, Deandre Ayton

could add all the different permutations of the Grant-->Lakers trade ideas

Ayton to Pels/Ingram to Lakers/Russell+Rui+2029 1st (unprotected) + 2031 swap to Blazers

it's a more complicated deal though starting with the simple fact that Ingram has a higher salary than Russell+Rui combined. High enough to jump the Lakers over the 2nd apron meaning the trade wouldn't be legal. So, the Lakers would ave to add another salary; Jalen Hood-Shifino is the likely candidate but neither the Pels or Blazers would really want to add his 3.9M salary. Portland might be the landing spot if they can find a 4th team as Russell's destination and take back less salary (or Blazers keep Russell and move Simons)

 

[Sheldon Shape]

Kinda feels like the Pelicans are in a similar spot with Ingram as the Blazers are with Grant. Started the offseason with a lot of potential landing spots, but those have dwindled, and now people are wondering who's left who's interested, and will he even get traded at all. I bet the Lakers would be willing to go all in on Ingram the way they're not willing to for Grant, but would that be enough for the Pelicans?

Throw them Timelord too. They need a center.

 

[inconceivable]

Throw them Timelord too. They need a center.

Why trade timelord now when his value is at it's lowest? Showcase him. A contending team will pay for a player like him if he can push them over the top, and when healthy, he can. PJ Tucker kind of impact

 

[Pinwheel1]

Dude is always injured. Nice offensive player, but that's it.

He and his 7'3" wing span is a pretty good defender as well.
He does seem to be injury-prone, but then again so does about 80% of the league these days.

 

[wizenheimer]

Why trade timelord now when his value is at it's lowest? Showcase him. A contending team will pay for a player like him if he can push them over the top, and when healthy, he can. PJ Tucker kind of impact

I'm skeptical about the logic. Timelord just finished his 6th season, and in those 6 seasons, he has played really well and looked healthy until he's injured. He has averaged 36 games played and 46 games missed in those 6 seasons. Other teams aren't going to see him and say "look at that, he's healthy now and will stay healthy". They know the odds of him staying healthy are exceptionally small and that the other shoe always drops

he has negative trade value and the 'illusion' of him being healthy won't alter that

 

[inconceivable]

I'm skeptical about the logic. Timelord just finished his 6th season, and in those 6 seasons, he has played really well and looked healthy until he's injured. He has averaged 36 games played and 46 games missed in those 6 seasons. Other teams aren't going to see him and say "look at that, he's healthy now and will stay healthy". They know the odds of him staying healthy are exceptionally small and that the other shoe always drops

he has negative trade value and the 'illusion' of him being healthy won't alter that

He played well with the Celtics in the Finals in 2022. So when healthy, he's a rotation player on a championship caliber team. His value can only go up from where it is.

 

[Hoopguru]

If he's on the team and he rejuvenated, he will play regardless his perceived trade value.

 

[blazerkor]

I'm skeptical about the logic. Timelord just finished his 6th season, and in those 6 seasons, he has played really well and looked healthy until he's injured. He has averaged 36 games played and 46 games missed in those 6 seasons. Other teams aren't going to see him and say "look at that, he's healthy now and will stay healthy". They know the odds of him staying healthy are exceptionally small and that the other shoe always drops

he has negative trade value and the 'illusion' of him being healthy won't alter that

Yeah, whether we "feature" him or not, teams know they are getting a huge injury risk but at the same time a guy who has played 56 playoff games in his career. He didn't miss a playoff game in his last two playoff runs, one of which went to the finals and although he doesn't play huge minutes, in his around 20 minutes per game he is extremely productive. He has value but his injury history and likely injury future would be baked into that value whether he plays half a season with us without any injury problems or we trade him tomorrow.

In order to get away from the idea that Rob Williams knees are a concern, we would have to play him every game for like two seasons without a significant injury... but then he'd be a free agent and I think it's highly doubtful that strategy would work. If there is a team willing to send back any real value for Rob even if that's two second rounders, we should give that team an opportunity to win that gamble and take on that risk.

 

[wizenheimer]

He played well with the Celtics in the Finals in 2022. So when healthy, he's a rotation player on a championship caliber team. His value can only go up from where it is.

yeah...that's what you said before

I'm saying I do not believe his value will go up because he plays 30 game or so at 15 minutes a game. 6 seasons filled with injuries, lots of injuries, is not a trend, it's a pattern. Teams pay attention to patterns

 

[blazerkor]

He played well with the Celtics in the Finals in 2022. So when healthy, he's a rotation player on a championship caliber team. His value can only go up from where it is.

I think teams know what he is. He is an absolute beast when he plays but he also has major injury concerns. That perception will not change. So if you have a team out there that wants to give up a solid prospect that doesn't fit their win now situation or a little bit of draft capital to try and get a successful playoff run or two out of Rob, realizing they are paying a discounted rate for what he can do on the court considering the time he spends unavailable to be on the court, then you take it because it's likely the best you will get today or at the deadline or even if he's healthy now until next off season.

 

[BigGameDamian]

I have no interest in BI. Injury prone.

Ya but BI would fit into our age group. Since were so big on that.

 

[Sheldon Shape]

Why trade timelord now when his value is at it's lowest? Showcase him. A contending team will pay for a player like him if he can push them over the top, and when healthy, he can. PJ Tucker kind of impact

It's not low if you're greasing the wheels to get 2 unprotected first round picks. You aren't going to have many minutes for him anyways. If he is what it takes to get the deal done, do it.

 

[Sheldon Shape]

I'm skeptical about the logic. Timelord just finished his 6th season, and in those 6 seasons, he has played really well and looked healthy until he's injured. He has averaged 36 games played and 46 games missed in those 6 seasons. Other teams aren't going to see him and say "look at that, he's healthy now and will stay healthy". They know the odds of him staying healthy are exceptionally small and that the other shoe always drops

he has negative trade value and the 'illusion' of him being healthy won't alter that

I wouldn't say he's a negative. The Lakers main question is, are we good enough after we trade for Grant? Their assessment is no. No, we're not. They need more. Robert is REALLY good when healthy, so I think it could help grease the wheels if he's thrown in.

 

[Rastapopoulos]

 

[UKRAINEFAN]

“Jerami Grant can play, he is a shooter, he is a good, active defender when he is engaged, he is going to do a lot of things that help your team. But he is a third option. He has some big numbers the last few years, but he has done it on terrible teams. No one is going to make a big trade for a guy who gives you 20 (points) on a bad team and 13 (points) on a good one.

“Not with his contract. He is going to make $30 (million) next year $32 the year after that. Then he has two more years. You can’t pay your third option $34, 35 million. If Portland wants the Lakers, the Heat, any of these teams to take him, they’ve got to recognize that.”
“They’re stubborn,” the exec said of the Blazers. “Part of the job is to be stubborn, though. But part of the job is also seeing your mistakes and getting out of them. Grant was a mistake. Trading him now just to get out of that salary is the right thing to do, take whatever picks or young guys you can get.”
https://heavy.com/sports/nba/los-angeles-lakers/jerami-grant-trade-picks/

 

[Pinwheel1]

“Jerami Grant can play, he is a shooter, he is a good, active defender when he is engaged, he is going to do a lot of things that help your team. But he is a third option. He has some big numbers the last few years, but he has done it on terrible teams. No one is going to make a big trade for a guy who gives you 20 (points) on a bad team and 13 (points) on a good one.

“Not with his contract. He is going to make $30 (million) next year $32 the year after that. Then he has two more years. You can’t pay your third option $34, 35 million. If Portland wants the Lakers, the Heat, any of these teams to take him, they’ve got to recognize that.”
“They’re stubborn,” the exec said of the Blazers. “Part of the job is to be stubborn, though. But part of the job is also seeing your mistakes and getting out of them. Grant was a mistake. Trading him now just to get out of that salary is the right thing to do, take whatever picks or young guys you can get.”
https://heavy.com/sports/nba/los-angeles-lakers/jerami-grant-trade-picks/

The only way it was a mistake to sign Grant is if they have to pay to get rid of him. Anything they get for him is an extra asset they would not have gotten.

 

[Natebishop3]

“Jerami Grant can play, he is a shooter, he is a good, active defender when he is engaged, he is going to do a lot of things that help your team. But he is a third option. He has some big numbers the last few years, but he has done it on terrible teams. No one is going to make a big trade for a guy who gives you 20 (points) on a bad team and 13 (points) on a good one.

“Not with his contract. He is going to make $30 (million) next year $32 the year after that. Then he has two more years. You can’t pay your third option $34, 35 million. If Portland wants the Lakers, the Heat, any of these teams to take him, they’ve got to recognize that.”
“They’re stubborn,” the exec said of the Blazers. “Part of the job is to be stubborn, though. But part of the job is also seeing your mistakes and getting out of them. Grant was a mistake. Trading him now just to get out of that salary is the right thing to do, take whatever picks or young guys you can get.”
https://heavy.com/sports/nba/los-angeles-lakers/jerami-grant-trade-picks/

He has like the 45th highest salary in the league. He’s PAID like a second or third option. And good thing for the Lakers because he would be their third option.