Trades that "move the needle"

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BlazerDuckSeahawkFan94 said:
Bottom line is right now no moves should be made. Honestly I think we have 4 all star level players in the west on our team right now in LA, Dame, Batum, and Wes. We also have a 6th MOY candidate in Mo. The only real players that are tradeable that makes sense for the team as currently constructed are Leonard, Barton, Crabbe, Claver, and MAYBE Freeland (would not like to move him at this point unless it were for a shot blocker).
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And none of them have any value. Therefore to bring anything in, you have to break up a good thing so far in the season.
 
Yeah I don't see us doing a midseason trade. One thing I liked about trader Bob is he always said he preferred to not do any trades during the season. Its best to give guys training camp to settle into their roles and the coaches time to construct strategies. Now if a team knocks our socks off with a deal or is giving away a talent as when we brought in Camby or Crash sure we should consider it. But the trade has to be a major upgrade where we get the clearly superior talents. It's unlikely another team is interested in that, hence it's very unlikely we make a move.
 
I'm shocked Denny hasn't invaded this thread with Carlos Boozer yet.
 
Fez Hammersticks said:
And I'd rather keep CJ -- Lillard-lite, as in a good shooter who is also a capable passer, is the perfect backcourt mate for Damian.
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Not really, because a Lillard-lite would make for an incredibly porous back court. Matthews is a much better fit next to Lillard than another Lillard-type. The shot creation, perimeter shooting and ball handling are all being handled perfectly well by Williams/Batum/Matthews. A Lillard-lite is always welcome, but much of his benefit would be duplicative of what we already have.

What we really need is somebody who can defend the paint at an elite or near-elite level. If we could get that guy without giving up Lopez, then suddenly you've got 48 minutes of high quality center production. Asik and Sanders are the only two guys I can see who might be available, and given Sanders' controversies and injuries I can see us preferring Asik. But assuming Sanders recovers I'd take either.
 
I would like to add another big, either Asik or Hawes and we keep Lopez, and I think we might have a shot to get Hawes for Leonard/Freeland and one of Claver or Barton, Asik may take CJ and change, neither of those trade changes our current totation since none of those guys is playing at all
 
Blazinaway said:
I would like to add another big, either Asik or Hawes and we keep Lopez, and I think we might have a shot to get Hawes for Leonard/Freeland and one of Claver or Barton, Asik may take CJ and change, neither of those trade changes our current totation since none of those guys is playing at all
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Hawes is worth more than that. He's pretty damn good, has a good outside shot. A little rusty down low at times, but it'll take more than Leonard/Freeland. Plus, I really want a guy like Freeland on this team.
 
Strenuus said:
Hawes is worth more than that. He's pretty damn good, has a good outside shot. A little rusty down low at times, but it'll take more than Leonard/Freeland. Plus, I really want a guy like Freeland on this team.
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maybe, keep in mind he is an expiring after this yr and perhaps not in Sixers long term plans
 
I would be shocked if we make an in-season trade. And I'm torn as to whether that's good or bad. I suppose for this season I think management will see it as too risky to mess with something that's working (unless what's working stops working). But I also think that the only way we're going to take the next step is through a major trade (no cap space, no draft pick). We need to be ready to make the "right" trade whenever it becomes available, and not get wrapped up in wanting to preserve the moment.

With that said, the Melo trade idea is...interesting. I hate Melo. Loathe him. However, under the right circumstances I can see the sense behind the trade. Pairing his low-post game with LMA's perimeter game would make our offense so much more potent. We'd have a legitimate threat to score near the hoop and get to the FT line, which is imperative in the Playoffs. Having Melo in the post would also open up the perimeter even more. But we'd need a coach who could get Melo to change - to pass the ball out of the double-teams and to play defense on 80% of possessions (nobody plays 100%). Unfortunately the only person who I think Melo would potentially respond to is someone else I also loathe - Phil Jackson.

With PJ coaching a line-up of Lillard, Shump, Melo, LMA, Lopez I think that puts us in discussion for WCF - IF Melo changes his game. And that's the rub - I don't know that I'm willing to bet Nic/Wes/Robinson on that. I might be more inclined if CJ was swapped in for Wes, and Leonard for Robinson. ;)
 
Run BJM said:
First of all, OKC aint attracting shit. Westbrook and Harden wouldn't accept anything less than the max to stay. Durant has always been gung ho for OKC but there's rumors lately that hes not happy with management. Dwight never even came close to considering them even though they had a championship core in place and plenty of talent to trade for him.

Second off, no players think of Portland as illustrious in any way shape or form. They don't care about your history. You're getting way ahead of yourself calling the Blazers anywhere near a contender.

Melo in Portland? I'm surprised he even agrees to travel to PDX for road games once per year.
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Something to ponder - Dirk dropping some knowledge, an oldie but relevant :

"We need some guys that can make plays for themselves," Nowitzki said. "That's pretty obvious. If you look at all the top teams now, they have at least two-three guys they can throw the ball to and they do their thing."

Nowitzki then specifically mentioned how Kevin Durant , Russell Westbrook and James Harden each carried a Thunder team on different nights in the four-game sweep of the Mavericks.

"If you want to be an elite team in the league right now, you have to have 2-3 guys that can go off at any time," Nowitzki added."
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Dame is that guy.

LMA is that guy.

Wes and Batum are high-level role players.

I know people will look at his average summer league but CJ has that chance to be that type of scorer. Before his injury he was the most efficient scorer in all of college basketball with advanced stats nearly identical to Lillard's at Weber State.

He clearly didn't have a rhythm in Vegas, he was out for nearly an entire year! It takes time and I suspect it'll take time for him to adjust when he comes back from this latest injury.

But for the sake of this thread, who realistically out there fits Dirk's 3-scorer concept?
 
Fez Hammersticks said:
Something to ponder - Dirk dropping some knowledge, an oldie but relevant :



Dame is that guy.

LMA is that guy.

Wes and Batum are high-level role players.

I know people will look at his average summer league but CJ has that chance to be that type of scorer. Before his injury he was the most efficient scorer in all of college basketball with advanced stats nearly identical to Lillard's at Weber State.

He clearly didn't have a rhythm in Vegas, he was out for nearly an entire year! It takes time and I suspect it'll take time for him to adjust when he comes back from this latest injury.

But for the sake of this thread, who realistically out there fits Dirk's 3-scorer concept?
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Didn't Dirk say "2 - 3"? Seems like we have that.
 
having Bargs man the middle is worse than JJ. They really need Chandler back and a better PG than cupcake felton
 
I love Melo. Pairing him with Damian would be awesome, Melo had some of his best years playing next to Billups in Denver. However the trade proposal makes no sense. I'd say a package of LMA, Batum and Wes + a future 1st for Melo, Shumpert and Bargnani would be fair. We'd have to give up a large chunk of the teams core but Melo is a MVP caliber player and is one of the few players in the league who can look Durant and LeBron in the eye and match them shot for shot. Melo isn't a consistent defender but he when he needs to he can lock his man down and is the most versatile scorer in the league. He can score in any way from any spot on the court. Shumpert would be another good young player to add in, and with more playing time Robinson could flourish next to Melo.
 
ponderguy said:
I love Melo. Pairing him with Damian would be awesome, Melo had some of his best years playing next to Billups in Denver. However the trade proposal makes no sense. I'd say a package of LMA, Batum and Wes + a future 1st for Melo, Shumpert and Bargnani would be fair. We'd have to give up a large chunk of the teams core but Melo is a MVP caliber player and is one of the few players in the league who can look Durant and LeBron in the eye and match them shot for shot. Melo isn't a consistent defender but he when he needs to he can lock his man down and is the most versatile scorer in the league. He can score in any way from any spot on the court. Shumpert would be another good young player to add in, and with more playing time Robinson could flourish next to Melo.
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No.

Ps.

Ip:minnesota
 
Scientific method proves Melo did not make Denver a championship team, nor the Knicks. What makes you think he's going to improve Portland's chances? I thought we were working on defense this season? He's a photo negative of what a defensive player should be. No Melo for me folks! Unselfish team first players are what Rip City is all about these days. If you think the bench was thin last year, sign this guy and you'll have to gut the bench to pay for him.
 
ponderguy said:
I love Melo. Pairing him with Damian would be awesome, Melo had some of his best years playing next to Billups in Denver. However the trade proposal makes no sense. I'd say a package of LMA, Batum and Wes + a future 1st for Melo, Shumpert and Bargnani would be fair. We'd have to give up a large chunk of the teams core but Melo is a MVP caliber player and is one of the few players in the league who can look Durant and LeBron in the eye and match them shot for shot. Melo isn't a consistent defender but he when he needs to he can lock his man down and is the most versatile scorer in the league. He can score in any way from any spot on the court. Shumpert would be another good young player to add in, and with more playing time Robinson could flourish next to Melo.
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That is disgusting. I wouldn't want Melo on here even if we kept everyone.

Melo is a horrible team player. He'd kill any momentum and chemistry we have on this team, period.
 
riverman said:
Scientific method proves Melo did not make Denver a championship team, nor the Knicks. What makes you think he's going to improve Portland's chances? I thought we were working on defense this season? He's a photo negative of what a defensive player should be. No Melo for me folks! Unselfish team first players are what Rip City is all about these days. If you think the bench was thin last year, sign this guy and you'll have to gut the bench to pay for him.
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Revisionist history at it's finest. Denver was two games from beating the Lakers and were serious championship contenders.
 
Who are the best PGs at defense in the league right now?
 
ponderguy said:
We'd have to give up a large chunk of the teams core but Melo is a MVP caliber player and is one of the few players in the league who can look Durant and LeBron in the eye and match them shot for shot.
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Are we watching the same games? Melo is a terrible defender who doesn’t pass and makes his teammates worse. He’s not even the most important player on his own team. He was unhappy in Denver, why would he stay in Portland? This must be a joke post from Knicks fans. If the Blazers traded away 3 of our 4 best players for a one year rental of Melo I would quit following our team.
 
I think I want to see Melo join up with Kobe both on 4 year deals with the Lakers. Those two would be a terrible selfish ball hogging complaining combo. I love to watch the Lakers struggle.
 
Draco said:
Are we watching the same games? Melo is a terrible defender who doesn’t pass and makes his teammates worse. He’s not even the most important player on his own team. He was unhappy in Denver, why would he stay in Portland? This must be a joke post from Knicks fans. If the Blazers traded away 3 of our 4 best players for a one year rental of Melo I would quit following our team.
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He wants the money more than anything. We can offer him more than anyone else to resign. Carmelo has had more assists than LMA every year except last year.
 
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