Trading for a center

[Blazinaway]

Well yeah, they win that trade. I wouldn't offer Crabbe. Offer a pick. Why should we offer more? He's a pending FA who has struggled to stay healthy. Let's see what other teams offer for him.

ya gotta move crabbe or Turner because of his contract, Noel is an RFA and gets paid next summer so ya gotta open up some room

 

[dviss1]

Well yeah, they win that trade. I wouldn't offer Crabbe. Offer a pick. Why should we offer more? He's a pending FA who has struggled to stay healthy. Let's see what other teams offer for him.

Bruh... Ixnay on the eedinessgray!

We're tryna get out from underneath that contract!

 

[Scalma]

That contract only looks bad now, give it a year or two. There will be bench players making that.

Also, if he were starting, which he would be for Philadelphia, it looks a lot better.

What I'm saying is, it's not an untradeable contract. And like Woj said, it'll look even more attractive next summer.

 

[UKRAINEFAN]

After renouncing Kaman, Henderson and Roberts, the Turner + Ezeli signings put us about $3 million under the cap. Unfortunately, at that point, BRK forced our hand by signing Crabbe to that offer sheet. Matching Crabbe instantly put us $15 million over the cap and ended the ability to sign other free agents - other than our own players. At that point, it made sense to re-sign our own free agents using their Bird rights (Leonard and Harkless). And, might as well give G.J. his extension at that time, too.

So, Leonard had zero to do with (theoretically) not signing Gordon. The only way we could have gotten Gordon (assuming the same contract he got from HOU) would have been to not sign Ezeli and sign Turner for about $3 million/year less than we offered him. Given that our biggest need going into the summer, rim protection, hadn't been addressed, and we'd already signed one perimeter player in Turner, going after Gordon would not have made any sense at the time.

Gordon is looking good now and like a relative bargain, but he's healthy and playing in a system that is perfect for him. Ezeli was a gamble, but given that we'd already signed Turner and had the ability to match any offer Crabbe received, going after Gordon was never going to happen. And, it had nothing to do with Meyers Leonard.

BNM

I guess we are saying the same thing then; it just seems it took you a lot more words to say it.

 

[ripcityboy]

If we do make a trade for a center then I sure hope it's for more than half a year of somebody's time. We may be over the cap at some point but every move we make has to
have some long term value. I don't want to give up a couple of valuable trade pieces from this team just so Andrew Bogut can order takeout at a local hotel for a few months.

 

[Boob-No-More]

I guess we are saying the same thing then; it just seems it took you a lot more words to say it.

You phrased your response as a question ("I don't think that is exactly true, is it?"). I was adding more detail for clarification.

The poster you quoted said we could have signed both Gordon and Ezeli, which we could not have done. You did not address this. It was this detail that was the main point of all those extra words. We would have had to sign Turner for less AND pass on Ezeli in order to sign Gordon. So, Signing Gordon would have cost us Ezeli and probably Crabbe as it wouldn't have made sense to shell out big bucks to all of Turner, Gordon and Crabbe.

BNM

 

[Eastoff]

Well yeah, they win that trade. I wouldn't offer Crabbe. Offer a pick. Why should we offer more? He's a pending FA who has struggled to stay healthy. Let's see what other teams offer for him.

You can get out from under Crabbe's contract

 

[chzbrgr]

76ers writer Keith Pompey on 620 this morning says that Crabbe + pick for Noel makes a lot of sense for Philly; says that if that were offered, Sixers would think long and hard about that deal.

• The research that rival teams have done on Nerlens Noel is “not good,” per Wojnarowski, who adds that those clubs haven’t gotten good reports about the way the Sixers big man carries himself, and his habits. Teams are still interested in acquiring Noel, but they don’t want to give up a whole lot for him, so it’ll be interesting to see if Philadelphia eventually takes what it can get. The Sixers would probably love to see Noel put in a couple healthy and productive months before the deadline to improve his stock.

Maybe we can get him for just crabbe? if we throw in a pick I want stauskas too

 

[Scalma]

Knowing how Woj and Olshey operate, would it really surprise anyone if Woj' source was actually Olshey, trying to drive the price down some more?

 

[chzbrgr]

Knowing how Woj and Olshey operate, would it really surprise anyone if Woj' source was actually Olshey, trying to drive the price down some more?

If it is I would have a lot more respect for Neil thats an Alonzo Harris move right there...

this shit's chess muthafucka it ain't checkers!

 

[Denny Crane]

After renouncing Kaman, Henderson and Roberts, the Turner + Ezeli signings put us about $3 million under the cap. Unfortunately, at that point, BRK forced our hand by signing Crabbe to that offer sheet. Matching Crabbe instantly put us $15 million over the cap and ended the ability to sign other free agents - other than our own players. At that point, it made sense to re-sign our own free agents using their Bird rights (Leonard and Harkless). And, might as well give G.J. his extension at that time, too.

So, Leonard had zero to do with (theoretically) not signing Gordon. The only way we could have gotten Gordon (assuming the same contract he got from HOU) would have been to not sign Ezeli and sign Turner for about $3 million/year less than we offered him. Given that our biggest need going into the summer, rim protection, hadn't been addressed, and we'd already signed one perimeter player in Turner, going after Gordon would not have made any sense at the time.

Gordon is looking good now and like a relative bargain, but he's healthy and playing in a system that is perfect for him. Ezeli was a gamble, but given that we'd already signed Turner and had the ability to match any offer Crabbe received, going after Gordon was never going to happen. And, it had nothing to do with Meyers Leonard.

BNM

Leonard had a cap hold against us, no?

If he walked, we would have recouped that cap space.

 

[Denny Crane]

In fact, Leonard's cap hold was $7.7M, if my google search result is correct.

 

[Boob-No-More]

Leonard had a cap hold against us, no?

If he walked, we would have recouped that cap space.

Good point. I forgot about that. His cap hold was $7,689,700. So, if we would have let Meyers walk and not signed Ezeli, we could have signed both Turner and Gordon (assuming the same salary he got from HOU) before matching Crabbe's offer put us iver the cap.

So, it would have been possible, but we would have been severely overloaded at the guard/wing positions and undermanned with bigs.

I realize Ezeli hasn't played, he was a calculated risk, and Meyers is Meyers, but that roster would have been even more ridiculously out of balance than the one we ended up with. We would have ended up committing $304 million to Turner, Gordon, Crabbe and C.J. That's a lot of money and a lot of redundancy.

That would have also left us with only 3 players (Plumlee, Davis and Vonleh) on the roster taller than 6'9".

BNM

 

[Denny Crane]

I'm fine with signing Leonard and that we passed on Gordon. Hindsight is 20-20, and Gordon's been so injury prone. A really good player when healthy, for sure.

 

[illmatic99]

Keep an eye on this. Noel just fired his agent and is joining up with Dan Fegan.

Fegan and Neil have some history as Neil was the first to offer Fegan's prized client Chandler Parsons a near max deal this summer. And Neil set Fegan's other clients Mike Miller and Varejao free after acquiring their contracts.

Fegan also represents Boogie.

And Nurkic.

Dan owes Neil a massive favor.

 

[Scalma]

Keep an eye on this. Noel just fired his agent and is joining up with Dan Fegan.

Fegan and Neil have some history as Neil was the first to offer Fegan's prized client Chandler Parsons a near max deal this summer. And Neil set Fegan's other clients Mike Miller and Varejao free after acquiring their contracts.

Fegan also represents Boogie.

And Nurkic.

Dan owes Neil a massive favor.

He also represents Harkless and Ed Davis. This is good, if you want Noel in Portland, which you should, unless you dummmmb

Wonder why Noel changed agents though. Is it because he's still in philly? Lol

 

[jlprk]

If we do make a trade for a center then I sure hope it's for more than half a year of somebody's time. We may be over the cap at some point but every move we make has to have some long term value. I don't want to give up a couple of valuable trade pieces from this team just so Andrew Bogut can order takeout at a local hotel for a few months.

In other words, let's not see another Arron Afflalo for Will Barton & Malik Beasley trade.

 

[Scalma]

How about this

Noel for Crabbe

And then

Meyers to Sacramento for McLemore. Both guys are pretty much in a similar spot in their careers and mclemore is a RFA after the season. We give him a look, see if he can replace Crabbe. Sacramento gets a young big who can space the court that'll make Divac think of Brad Miller or some shit.

 

[Scalma]

Expert take: sixers game is on at the bar and Noel's body language looked so bad in the first half. I don't know if that's just how he is, but he looked like he would rather be anywhere else.

 

[Scalma]

Sorry I'm not trading Crabbe for Noel, I don't care about his contract because the teams that want him will start him and it won't look like a big deal anymore. Philly can take a protected first or fuck offfff.

 

[Scalma]

So uh, nerlens played 8 minutes, none in the second half. Maybe Olshey can get him for s protected SECOND loll.

 

[Scalma]

 

[BonesJones]

I feel like Vonleh, Napier our 2018 1st Round Pick and CLEs 2018 would get accepted. Neil should be on the phone right now.

And then in February we build a package around Noel, Harkless, and other 1sts for Cousins lol.

 

[Scalma]

I feel like Vonleh, Napier our 2018 1st Round Pick and CLEs 2018 would get accepted. Neil should be on the phone right now.

And then in February we build a package around Noel, Harkless, and other 1sts for Cousins lol.

i don't think Philly would want Vonleh, nor would we need to include him if we're giving up two firsts. I do know we'll need to shed his salary though to take on Noel so maybe we can trade him to another team for a pick. Or just send Ezelis contract to Philly to make it work.

Crabbe is worth more than Noel imo. We should hold onto him until the summer. But we have to pursue Noel, and we have to do it now. I couldn't think of a better fit for us defensively. The opportunity is there. Neil shouldn't wait.

 

[BonesJones]

i don't think Philly would want Vonleh, nor would we need to include him if we're giving up two firsts. I do know we'll need to shed his salary though to take on Noel so maybe we can trade him to another team for a pick. Or just send Ezelis contract to Philly to make it work.

Crabbe is worth more than Noel imo. We should hold onto him until the summer. But we have to pursue Noel, and we have to do it now. I couldn't think of a better fit for us defensively. The opportunity is there. Neil shouldn't wait.

I feel like they'd value Vonleh. Ilyasova is expiring and they'd probably develop Vonleh for the rest of the year and have him and Richaun Holmes battle to be their backup 4 next year. They need as much shooting around the Simmons/Embiid/Okafor core as possible, and Vonleh brings that. For Phili, they would say no to a 21 year old with an NBA body and athleticism.

Plus, we do need to shed 2.9M to match salaries, so Vonleh and a minimum guy would work. I think if we trade Napier and Vonleh (4.2M total) for Noel (4.3M total) then wed still be under the luxery tax, and could experiment with 10-day contracts for D-League players. That would be good, especially since rosters expand to 17 players next year with 2 in the D-League.

 

[Scalma]

I feel like they'd value Vonleh. Ilyasova is expiring and they'd probably develop Vonleh for the rest of the year and insert him as their backup 4 next year. They need as much shooting around the Simmons/Embiid/Okafor core as possible and Saric and Vonleh at the 4 would be good.

Plus, we do need to shed 2.9M, so Vonleh and a minimum guy would work. I think if we trade Napier and Vonleh (4.2M total) for Noel (4.3M total) then wed still be under the luxery tax, and could experiment with 10-day contracts for D-League players. That would be good, especially since rosters expand to 17 players next year with 2 in the D-League.

I'm down. Would be interesting to see the rotation with Noel. Guessing Plumlee would play heavy minutes at PF, where he's probably a better fit anyway. Feel like two of Meyers/Davis/Ezeli would eventually get dealt in this scenario. Ideally Ezeli would get healthy because a Noel/Ezeli rotation at center would be the truth. Also, Aminu has a great contract, even as a backup and we could play matchups between him and Plumlee.

Dame
CJ
Harkless
Plumlee
Noel

CJ
Crabbe
Turner
Aminu
Ezeli

Me love both those units.

 

[Orion Bailey]

I picked other because if I was the GM, none of the players on your pole would be my first target. Simply because I believe other players complement Lillard better.

Before the season ended I'd trade for Noel or Okafor. Once Portland contracts come trade-able on this roster I'd offer Crabbe/Aminu or Harkless/Plumlee.
I don't think it'll take much for Philly to part ways with one of their bigs not named Embiid. Especially if they're getting Aminu who can slide in and play next to Embiid.
At the end of the season I'd offer the Wizards CJ for Wall. Even though I believe CJ and Lillard do indeed complement each other. I believe Wall fits far better with Lillard than CJ does. It's just not working in Washington and I believe they'll be rebuilding sooner than later. Wall is under contract until the end of 2019, CJ just signed an extension. So both teams will be switching players who can remain with the teams for a few years.

I'd be less inclined to give up a shooter like CJ, for a non shooter like Wall...(even though Wall has got better, he's not a shooter) If Portland got Okafor instead of Noel. But I'd still do it.
Simply because Lillard+Wall+Noel would equal the ability to play up-tempo and run teams off the court. With Okafor while you could still run, you'd want to slow it down a little bit more than with Noel to take advantage of Okafor's skill set.

Wow man. I like it to an extent for the main reason at the end of this explanation of slight change.

PHI doesn't need Plumlee or another big. Offer Crabbe and a CLE 2018 pick for Noel. I think that can get it done especially if Crabbe can continue to get back to some consistency.
Do the swap you suggest.. CJ for Wall.

Then we go after DMC with a package of Leonard or Plumlee/Davis/Aminu... Toss in Ezeli as a $10mill salary dump to help their rebuild rather than taking on Gay.

We look like this:

Dame/Napier
Wall/Turner
Harkless/Turner
DMC/Vonleh
Noel/Plumlee or Leonard.

DMC and Wall go way back. There is a high percentage that this team would gel nicely.

 

[Scalma]

Nurkic played 7 minutes tonight.

 

[Scalma]

Btw, the longer Noel is on the sixers, the more I believe there might already be a trade in place with Portland and they're just waiting on Jan 15. That or Colangelo is stupid, which could be a possibility as well.

Evidently Brown had a conversation with Noel yesterday about his playing time. Maybe he told him to just chill out for a couple weeks lol

 

[Boob-No-More]

Btw, the longer Noel is on the sixers, the more I believe there might already be a trade in place with Portland and they're just waiting on Jan 15. That or Colangelo is stupid, which could be a possibility as well.

Not stupid, just silly:

"I think it's just silly . . . this situation that we are in now with three starting centers," Noel said on the eve of the Sixers' media day. "With the departure of [former general manager and president] Sam Hinkie, I would have figured that management would be able to get something done this summer."

Colangelo has been jerking him around ever since that quote came out.

BNM