Trail Blazers gear up for legislative ask that would ‘guarantee’ team’s future in Portland (4 Viewers)

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SharpesTriumph said:
Doesn't matter if you or me or anyone here articulates what upgrades are or are not needed.

Adam Silver said it's needed. That was not by accident. The NBA is beginning the processes of moving the team if Oregon doesn't partner in giving those upgrades.
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Silver said it is "likely needed"

Please tell me more about this conversation you were a part of where the NBA began processes of moving the team if Oregon doesnt give in.
 
SharpesTriumph said:
Flip side is if the team moves all the"Jock tax" funds are gone so the general fund is smaller than if the state paid for arena upgrades.

Not saying it's right, but that's what pro sports do everywhere.

Oregon set themselves into a corner by funding a baseball arena.
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that's a net zero for the general fund, at least it is insofar as the specific jock tax. Now the overall impact to the general fund from the hypothetical loss of the Blazers after 2030 is another matter

I'm not really sure where this sense of urgency, bordering on panic, is coming from. The 'plan' seems to be pretty complex and filled with potential stmbling blocks. We're already seeing there may be some significant disagreements about components of the proposal between the Blazers, the City, and the County

www.oregonlive.com

Kotek lobbies NBA commissioner to keep Trail Blazers in Portland as team and county at odds over arena funding

County leaders are reluctant to commit $40 million in unexpected tax revenue to Moda Center renovations, complicating the franchise's funding efforts as new ownership prepares to take control.
www.oregonlive.com www.oregonlive.com

and it sure sounds like there is mounting opposition to the City deciding to use 75M from the voter approved climate fund. These may be small disagreements that will be easily overcome; or maybe the ease of overcoming them will take enough time that the State won't be able consider the proposal this session. And if this proposal doesn't have clear sailing in the City & County, it's probably not just going to coast thru a legislature with reps from all over the state. Anybody who pays attention would know that getting a bill like this thru the state legislature would be much easier next year when it's a 6 month session than this year's one month session that is already bogged down with the transportation budget

also, and it may be I'm just dumb & ignorant, but I'm about 80% convinced the math on the jock tax paying for, and retiring the 360M in bonding isn't close to working

also, as part of this rushed proposal, as Sly has been pointing out, what exactly is this 600M going to be used for. Has anybody said? Has there been any engineering and/or detailed design planning that derived this 600M number? or is it just throwing a number out there and talking about vague renovation ideas? Has there been any detailed comparison about the pros and cons of spending 600M on a Moda renovation vs 1.2B on a new arena?

this whole operation kind of looks like a bulldozer being driven by an unlicensed first time operator
 
Phatguysrule said:
I'm going to be real. I'm not interested in a sales tax. Not even to keep the Blazers here.

If they can't figure it out without a regressive tax the team can move on and I'll kick rocks with my hillbilly shoes...
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Way back when Oregon established a lottery that was supposed to go fund economic growth and possibilities to help drive new business, I knew a guy that ran a large Industrial Electrical company with a distribution subsidiary, here in Portland. He and his partner along with their wives were provided full expenses by the State of Oregon to spend a month in Saigon to find sources for old military parts, and other parts to purchase and ship back for resale. All in the Name of Oregon Economic Development. Neither thought they would get to first base in qualifying for The State covering all expenses.
 
Silver is kind of a douche for saying Moda is shit. It’s not like POR and Oregon are super rich city state flush with cash. He seem like a mouth piece for owners, not fans, when he pipes up. Your feet are going to be sticky in any fucking arena when someone spills beer
 
Cugel said:
Silver is kind of a douche for saying Moda is shit. It’s not like POR and Oregon are super rich city state flush with cash. He seem like a mouth piece for owners, not fans, when he pipes up.
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that's his job; he doesn't work for the fans. He's the CEO of a consortium with 30 shareholders
 
wizenheimer said:
that's his job; he doesn't work for the fans. He's the CEO of a consortium with 30 shareholders
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Maybe Silver should fly his ass out here and talk more about this.

Maybe sweeten the pot for us fans and the government entities involved.

Oh, I've got one...

How about we get the All-Star game with 2 years of the update/upgrade/imporvement of the Moda.



The NBA All-Star Game generates massive economic impact for host cities, often exceeding $300–$400 million in total value through direct visitor spending, job creation, and substantial media exposure. The 2025 event in the San Francisco Bay Area generated $328.2 million in direct economic impact, with over 142,000 attendees, while 2024 in Indianapolis hit $400 million+ in total value.

Key economic impacts include:
  • Direct & Indirect Spending: The 2025 Bay Area event resulted in over $210 million in direct spending from tourism and corporate services, plus $117 million in indirect/induced spending.
  • Job Creation: The events support, create, or expand roughly 1,700 to 1,800 local jobs.
  • Tourism & Hospitality: Hotels, restaurants, and local businesses experience significant surges, with 2024 IndyStar reporting $290 million in direct economic impact from, retail, food, and beverage.
  • Media Value: Temple University studies indicate over $100 million in earned media value, with 2024 generating 24 billion social media impressions.
  • Community Investment: Host cities often receive, like in 2024, over $1.5 million in legacy project investments.

 
Stern had a long beef with the organization over gambling and cap circumvention.
 
wizenheimer said:
that's a net zero for the general fund, at least it is insofar as the specific jock tax. Now the overall impact to the general fund from the hypothetical loss of the Blazers after 2030 is another matter

I'm not really sure where this sense of urgency, bordering on panic, is coming from. The 'plan' seems to be pretty complex and filled with potential stmbling blocks. We're already seeing there may be some significant disagreements about components of the proposal between the Blazers, the City, and the County

www.oregonlive.com

Kotek lobbies NBA commissioner to keep Trail Blazers in Portland as team and county at odds over arena funding

County leaders are reluctant to commit $40 million in unexpected tax revenue to Moda Center renovations, complicating the franchise's funding efforts as new ownership prepares to take control.
www.oregonlive.com www.oregonlive.com

and it sure sounds like there is mounting opposition to the City deciding to use 75M from the voter approved climate fund. These may be small disagreements that will be easily overcome; or maybe the ease of overcoming them will take enough time that the State won't be able consider the proposal this session. And if this proposal doesn't have clear sailing in the City & County, it's probably not just going to coast thru a legislature with reps from all over the state. Anybody who pays attention would know that getting a bill like this thru the state legislature would be much easier next year when it's a 6 month session than this year's one month session that is already bogged down with the transportation budget

also, and it may be I'm just dumb & ignorant, but I'm about 80% convinced the math on the jock tax paying for, and retiring the 360M in bonding isn't close to working

also, as part of this rushed proposal, as Sly has been pointing out, what exactly is this 600M going to be used for. Has anybody said? Has there been any engineering and/or detailed design planning that derived this 600M number? or is it just throwing a number out there and talking about vague renovation ideas? Has there been any detailed comparison about the pros and cons of spending 600M on a Moda renovation vs 1.2B on a new arena?

this whole operation kind of looks like a bulldozer being driven by an unlicensed first time operator
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If it really is a rushed proposal seems like the Blazers could have two very different end goals in mind:

1 This is just proposal draft one that is expected to have many revisions and future debate with more details later. The target time to get finalized is a year or years from now.

2 Blazers are just putting this out there more or less hoping it fails and then plan to explore other cities bids. Basically the OKC strategy.
 
SharpesTriumph said:
If it really is a rushed proposal seems like the Blazers could have two very different end goals in mind:

1 This is just proposal draft one that is expected to have many revisions and future debate with more details later. The target time to get finalized is a year or years from now.

2 Blazers are just putting this out there more or less hoping it fails and then plan to explore other cities bids. Basically the OKC strategy.
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I'm not sure about the motivations of the Blazer F.O or the Dundon group

most of this seems to be generated by local leaders and some in state government. Knowing that it's a very limited legislative session, and that the legislature has other, bigger issues to solve in a short time, this proposal should have had all the i's dotted and t's crossed and the bill have been ready on day 1 of the legislature. The session is only 5 weeks long and one of those weeks is already gone. Meanwhile, the proposal is already bogged down with a disagreement between the city and county. And, there seems to be growing opposition to the city diverting 75M from the voter-approved climate fund.

maybe there will be quick and easy solutions and they'll be found this week and it will be clear-sailing in Salem. Or maybe, it will be politics as usual and takes too much time to resolve all the local differences and isn't presented to the legislature in time. If that happens, then it's almost like the political leaders had a failure as their first move
 
I’m not sure why people keep bringing up Climate Pledge as a comp—the city provided the land, the bones of the building and the roof; the rest was a down-to-the-studs privately-funded remodel that cost over $1B. It’s already different because it appears Dundon is looking for the city/county/state to come through with publicly funding of the building.

I do think Wyden’s words about his conversations with Dundon reveal some possible ‘good faith’ on the other end of the negotiating table. We’ll see; this legislative session is short and it appears there is some work to be done by the politicos to figure out the extent of their publicly-funded ambition with the remodel.
 
CDG airport carpet would look nice on the jerseys, also the blazers are probably the front runners for the NBA Europe championship, just saying

They also probably have money left over now that euro Disney is closing. Also, Wemby I am sure, would love to play for the blazers.
 
Do you think this is a true statement?

"Is Portland a major league city? Can it act like it? Because major league cities prioritize sports and invest in them in ways that Portland never has."
 
Seems like Oram is trying to get Dundon's group to make a public comment in good faith.
 
Multnomah county found 106million in unspent budget for homeless. Not sure how that happens within a county government operation? My experience with State budgets back in the day was "oh shit if we dont spend within this FY" were fucked for next.
 


If this gets approved, where else would our owner move the franchise too?

I just don't the Blazers moving as something that is going to happen.
 
Anyone watch the remake of Battlestar Galactica? It was really good. The only thing was in the intro of every episode they would show images with text..

The Cylons were created by man

They rebeled

They evolved

They look

And feel

Human

Some are programmed to think they're human

There are many copies

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AND THEY HAVE A PLAN.

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Anyway, great scifi series if you haven't seen it, still holds up today. But... BUT... we never found out what their plan was. Four seasons and multiple movies and they never told us what the plan was. They threw out some vague shit like the plan was to kill humanity, but that was what the first episode was about. But everyweek we saw in the intro, "and they have a plan." Drove me crazy.

Please, I'm begging WHAT IS THE PLAN FOR THE MODA?
 
SlyPokerDog said:
Anyone watch the remake of Battlestar Galactica? It was really good. The only thing was in the intro of every episode they would show images with text..

The Cylons were created by man

They rebeled

They evolved

They look

And feel

Human

Some are programmed to think they're human

There are many copies

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AND THEY HAVE A PLAN.

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Anyway, great scifi series if you haven't seen it, still holds up today. But... BUT... we never found out what their plan was. Four seasons and multiple movies and they never told us what the plan was. They threw out some vague shit like the plan was to kill humanity, but that was what the first episode was about. But everyweek we saw in the intro, "and they have a plan." Drove me crazy once the finale aired and their was no f'ing plan.

Please, I'm begging WHAT IS THE PLAN FOR THE MODA?
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And yes, I know only @Everything Beagle will appreciate this post.
 
SlyPokerDog said:
1. It needs more bathrooms.

2. The suits could use a remodel.

3. In a Rose Quarter redevelopment, it would nice if we could move the Max lines closer and cover them.

4. Put PA's old apartment on Airbnb.
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5. This would be cool and would help Portland.

An aerial tram between Big Pink and the Moda. It would bring traffic to DT Portland on game nights for parking and would become a huge tourist attraction because it would the best views of our city.

Yes, we need an OHSU-like aerial tram!

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Cugel said:
Silver is kind of a douche for saying Moda is shit. It’s not like POR and Oregon are super rich city state flush with cash. He seem like a mouth piece for owners, not fans, when he pipes up. Your feet are going to be sticky in any fucking arena when someone spills beer
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He literally works for the owners.
 
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