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[Scalma]

I think its the perfect time to bring this allll the way around and say Trent is the ideal guard to play next to Lillard. Doesn’t need the ball but can still get his own shot if need be, plus shooter, defends, ideal size.

 

[wizenheimer]

The next time someone is as instrumental as CJ in helping Dame get us out of the 2nd round I will agree with this.

how could I forget that marvelous game 7 that CJ fans bring up a dozen times a week!!....maybe because if it wasn't for Dame and Hood, there never would have been a game 7.

where was CJ in the next round when the Warriors were doubling Dame constantly with Klay and Iggy and Livingston, and trapping him with Green and Looney? He was over in the corner shooting 39% on FG's, 35% on three's and 65% on FT's while carrying a TS% of .481 (hint: that's horrible), an offensive rating under 100, and the worst defensive rating on the team. When an opponent sells out their defense to stop Dame, that's when Portland's 31M/year SG has to pick up the slack. But CJ attempted 14 more FG's than Dame and scored 3 less points....while being single covered

If you have two others on the floor that can create their own shot then yeah a Klay Thompson type is fine. Maybe Melo is that 2nd guy, maybe not. But regardless Melo won't be around long. But if you just have Dame who can do it, and Dame gets trapped (usually in the playoffs) then having 2 others who can create their own shot is essential IMO.

and that's what I'm talking about. Portland eventually runs into a team that sells out their defense to stop Dame. The Warriors have done it 3 times and the Pelicans did it once; Denver last year did it too but they didn't have the back court length of the Warriors or Pelicans. The same defensive scheme for 17 straight games in the close-out series of the playoffs. That's where CJ is supposed to step in and save the day in this 'a-team-needs-2-guys-who-can-create-their-own-shot' theory CJ fans are advocating. But CJ doesn't step in and save the day because he doesn't have the ability or talent to do so. Yeah, he can create his own shot at about average efficiency, which isn't good enough for the first option. But he has never punished that type of defense enough to make the opponent adjust.

that's because the theory is bullshit. Portland needs somebody talented enough to create their own shot AND run the offense when opponents are putting Dame in a straight-jacket. CJ can't run the offense and he doesn't make teammates better. At the very least, the Blazers need an offensive system that doesn't break down and stall when Dame isn't running it

if CJ was as good as you are implying, Portland wouldn't be 1-16 in those close-out playoff series, having lost 14 in a row, with the 1 win coming against a Warrior team without Curry

 

[illmatic99]

I think its the perfect time to bring this allll the way around and say Trent is the ideal guard to play next to Lillard. Doesn’t need the ball but can still get his own shot if need be, plus shooter, defends, ideal size.

Agreed, if we can get a more dynamic forward. With younger Melo, it would be perfect.

 

[B-Roy]

I think its the perfect time to bring this allll the way around and say Trent is the ideal guard to play next to Lillard. Doesn’t need the ball but can still get his own shot if need be, plus shooter, defends, ideal size.

I remember when people were comparing Dame/Wes to Steph/Klay. That should be the blueprint with Trent.

 

[wizenheimer]

Outside of guys who have won titles, who has a good closeout record? I think this another one of your useless stats that mean nothing except to have shock value. It's downright Trumpian. And FWIW, it also applies to Dame. Why only single out CJ with it?

the reason I single out CJ for failing when Dame is double and triple teamed is because he's being single covered while using almost as many possessions as Dame, attempting as many FG's, and hogging 25% of the salary cap. That kind of usage and salary demands accountability. When he's making 2.5 times what Nurkic is making or 5 times what Hood is making he needs to have a bigger impact on playoff wins. Olshey has made it so that Portland HAS to depend on CJ to carry the burden of winning when Dame is taken out of the equation.

as for the shock value...yeah, it's kind of shocking how bad Portland has been when they face the same defense for 4 straight seasons in the playoffs

 

[illmatic99]

It's such a meaningless stat. Closeout record? No shit it sucks. Everyone except the warriors and LeBron over the past decade has a shockingly bad record.

There are so many other stats to cite that CJ sucks why does no one else call you on on this nonsense?

 

[Wizard Mentor]

Almost feels like it should be a poll: Is Trent a CJ replacement?

My problem with CJ is his salary - one could make the argument that he's a "bad contract". I'm not sure whether
it's true or not, but I'd listen to arguments.

 

[wizenheimer]

There are so many other stats to cite that CJ sucks why does no one else call you on on this nonsense?

what nonsense?

people in this thread were saying Portland needs CJ because his ability to create his own shot is necessary when Dame gets doubled and trapped. In this thread it was said. It was the argument against the idea that Trent could be the starting SG. Trent "can't create his own shot"...but CJ can

so then, I'd think the next logical step would be if only Portland had a way to test if CJ's shot-creation was actually effective against a defense that sells out to stop Dame. And conveniently...the Blazers have already taken the test and failed. They only had one right answer out of 17.

I don't really care that much if a lot of people want CJ to remain a Blazer and the starting SG for the foreseeable future. I don't, but that's all a matter of opinion & bias. However, I am going to push back when those people offer hollow reasons for that preference and CJ's one-on-one ability is a hollow reason mainly because he's not nearly as good at it as many here think

 

[HailBlazers]

Almost feels like it should be a poll: Is Trent a CJ replacement?

My problem with CJ is his salary - one could make the argument that he's a "bad contract". I'm not sure whether
it's true or not, but I'd listen to arguments.

No, he (CJ) is what he's always should have been: a super sixth man.

It's easy to argue, but Stats be damned, CJ provides something of significant value in playoff basketball when buckets are hard to come by.

 

[Hey]

If we need a shot creator as a safety valve for Dame, we could get one for 1/3 of the price of CJ like Derrick Rose. I think Ant will probably get there in a couple years. Yeah Ant sucks right now but you can see the flashes of a great iso player, he just needs the reps. In the meantime, Melo can fit in decently as that end-of-the-shotclock iso player just fine. If we can get LaMarcus or a solid wing like Aaron Gordon for CJ, I'd be ecstatic.

 

[tester551]

Outside of guys who have won titles, who has a good closeout record? I think this another one of your useless stats that mean nothing except to have shock value. It's downright Trumpian. And FWIW, it also applies to Dame. Why only single out CJ with it?

What is James Harden's record? Or Giannis?

Not that it matters, but both Harden & Giannis are 1st options on the team - not 2nd.

Also, this is a really dumb metric to use - but since you asked:

Harden: (8-16 for 0.333 wining percentage)
'19: 2-4
'18: 3-4
'17: 2-4
'16: 1-4

Giannis: (7-12 for 0.368 winning percentage)
'19: 2-4
'18: 3-4
'17: 2-4
'16: N/A

CJ: (1-16 for 0.059 winning percentage)
'19: 0-4
'18: 0-4
'17: 0-4
'16: 1-4

Over the last 4 years, both Houston & Milwaukee have been much more competitive in the closeout series than Portland has been... I'm not sure how that helps your argument.

 

[illmatic99]

Not that it matters, but both Harden & Giannis are 1st options on the team - not 2nd.

Also, this is a really dumb metric to use - but since you asked:

Harden: (8-16 for 0.333 wining percentage)
'19: 2-4
'18: 3-4
'17: 2-4
'16: 1-4

Giannis: (7-12 for 0.368 winning percentage)
'19: 2-4
'18: 3-4
'17: 2-4
'16: N/A

CJ: (1-16 for 0.059 winning percentage)
'19: 0-4
'18: 0-4
'17: 0-4
'16: 1-4

Over the last 4 years, both Houston & Milwaukee have been much more competitive in the closeout series than Portland has been... I'm not sure how that helps your argument.

Thanks for pulling that out. It's not really indicative of anything, which is what I've been saying. Not forcing a game 5 while getting swept really doesn't mean much at all.

That said, I don't think your calculation is correct. What is your definition of "closeout" game? Is it only when we're losing the series? I thought it also applied to games in which we were ahead in the series and closed it out, ie game 5 vs OKC.

 

[Pinwheel1]

I wouldn’t say few.


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I would if I cared enough to list every one starting with Jon Koncak.

 

[wizenheimer]

I think its the perfect time to bring this allll the way around and say Trent is the ideal guard to play next to Lillard. Doesn’t need the ball but can still get his own shot if need be, plus shooter, defends, ideal size.

agree...and we already have a template: I think the Dame/Matthews pairing had a better mesh than the Dame/CJ pairing. Now, one thing that made it better was that Portland had Batum at SF to be the 2nd facilitator in the offense. Batum was good at the role because he had a low usage rate and didn't hold the ball long. He wasn't good at dribble-drives, but he was really good at quick touches and finding people in scoring position. The offense flowed better with Batum as the 2nd distributor than it does with CJ

Olshey has paid lip service to the idea of building a team around Dame's talent, but his primary choice as a building block doesn't make a lot of sense. The Warriors recognized they wouldn't optimize their roster with Curry and Monta Ellis dominating the ball and offense, so they made a change. I think Portland is in a similar boat but it's pretty obvious they won't be changing course

 

[illmatic99]

If we need a shot creator as a safety valve for Dame, we could get one for 1/3 of the price of CJ like Derrick Rose. I think Ant will probably get there in a couple years. Yeah Ant sucks right now but you can see the flashes of a great iso player, he just needs the reps. In the meantime, Melo can fit in decently as that end-of-the-shotclock iso player just fine. If we can get LaMarcus or a solid wing like Aaron Gordon for CJ, I'd be ecstatic.

CJ is more than just an iso player. He makes nearly 2 catch and shoot threes per game at a 48% clip.

 

[tester551]

Thanks for pulling that out. It's not really indicative of anything, which is what I've been saying. Not forcing a game 5 while getting swept really doesn't mean much at all.

That said, I don't think your calculation is correct. What is your definition of "closeout" game? Is it only when we're losing the series? I thought it also applied to games in which we were ahead in the series and closed it out, ie game 5 vs OKC.

I used the closeout series. As far as games go:

Harden: (4-5 for 0.444 wining percentage)
'19: 1-1
'18: 2-2
'17: 1-1
'16: 0-1

Giannis: (3-3 for 0.500 winning percentage)
'19: 2-1
'18: 1-1
'17: 0-1
'16: N/A

CJ: (3-4 for 0.429 winning percentage)
'19: 3-1
'18: 0-1
'17: 0-1
'16: 0-1

Again, not sure this says much (if anything).

 

[illmatic99]

I used the closeout series. As far as games go:

Harden: (4-5 for 0.444 wining percentage)
'19: 1-1
'18: 2-2
'17: 1-1
'16: 0-1

Giannis: (3-3 for 0.500 winning percentage)
'19: 2-1
'18: 1-1
'17: 0-1
'16: N/A

CJ: (3-4 for 0.429 winning percentage)
'19: 3-1
'18: 0-1
'17: 0-1
'16: 0-1

Again, not sure this says much (if anything).

Thanks for pointing out how even more useless this stat is.

 

[lawai'a]

beyond the CJ drama. it is probably a false memory, driven by some internal narrative, but it seems that in playoff series including the one's we lost, in games we won, where the other team was going all in on dame, role players like Aminu and Mo hitting their open looks, were the difference between winning and losing. seems like the clipper series was one instance where in the games they were on was the difference between winning and losing the games they were not. GTjr will hopefully be one of those taking and making those and making other teams pay for this strategy. Ariza and melo too. i feel much better about GTjr and ariza taking those shots, or even dribbling-driving, than i was ever comfortable with aminu or harkless doing the same. color me optimistic about our playoff potential with GTjr's emergence.

 

[tester551]

CJ is more than just an iso player. He makes nearly 2 catch and shoot threes per game at a 48% clip.

That is great. He should be doing more catch & shooting! I don't think any of us 'CJ haters' would have an issue with him increasing his catch & shoot role.

He needs to minimize his dribbling & iso plays. He's not nearly as good at that as he or Neil believes.

 

[Scalma]

That is great. He should be doing more catch & shooting! I don't think any of us 'CJ haters' would have an issue with him increasing his catch & shoot role.

only been begging for that for two years.

 

[illmatic99]

That is great. He should be doing more catch & shooting! I don't think any of us 'CJ haters' would have an issue with him increasing his catch & shoot role.

He needs to minimize his dribbling & iso plays. He's not nearly as good at that as he or Neil believes.

Even this is magnified because of his egregious tunnel vision and penchant for dribbling so much on these possessions. The stats are startling. He doesn't ISO nearly as much as people think he does.

https://stats.nba.com/players/isolation/?sort=POSS&dir=1&CF=TEAM_ABBREVIATION*E*por

He isolates only 3 possessions per game, which is 14th in the league, and gets 0.83 points per possession this year (which is terrible). About the same as he was in the playoffs last year. To put this in perspective, Harden isolates on 14 possessions per game, albeit at better efficiency.

It's not that bad. He needs to cut that down or make more passes after isolating, but the MeJ thing is sort of a misnomer. Even getting fouled more here would increase his efficiency to a very respectable level.

 

[illmatic99]

Some more perspective on iso stats, guys with comparable frequency and PPP as CJ on isos:

Siakam-- 4 possessions, 0.91 ppp
Giannis-- 4 possessions, 0.88 ppp
Randle-- 3 possessions, 0.75 ppp
CJ -- 3 possessions, 0.83 pp
Lavine-- 3 possessions, 0.89 ppp
LeVert-- 2.6 possessions, 0.67 ppp


Hood- 1.1 possessions, 1.42 ppp (insane, leads the league in this)
Dame- 4.9 possessions, 1.1 ppp
Melo- 2.1 possessions, 0.74 ppp
Ant- 1.1 possessions, 1.02 ppp
Trent- 0.4 possessions, 0.94 pp

Melo is the one that needs to stop.

 

[wizenheimer]

CJ is more than just an iso player. He makes nearly 2 catch and shoot threes per game at a 48% clip.

this might go to my biggest complaint about CJ, and it's actually more a criticism of the offense and coaching. The role CJ plays is not a good fit for his strengths and flaws

as you said, CJ is excellent in catch-n-shoot possessions. He leads the team with a 70% eFG and if my math is right, that mark puts him around the 95th percentile in the league. And he's in the 86th percentile is spot-up possessions, same as Dame. (Trent is in the 96th percentile). Those are two types of possessions where CJ's teammates are essentially creating offense for him. He's nearly elite at those types of plays

on the other hand, he's in the 69th percentile in PnR ball-handler; the 46th percentile in hand-off; and the 44th percentile in isolation

In other words, CJ is worse than average when he dribbles into his shots, and nearly elite when he doesn't. Yet he dribbles like crazy and has a 36% assisted FG rate when it should be 66% or higher. Some of that is on CJ, but a bigger share is on the coaches who don't structure his game to his strangths; and some of it is on the GM who refuses to add better facilitators to the roster that would be more able to find CJ in shooting position

 

[wizenheimer]

Some more perspective on iso stats, guys with comparable frequency and PPP as CJ on isos:

Siakam-- 4 possessions, 0.91 ppp
Giannis-- 4 possessions, 0.88 ppp
Randle-- 3 possessions, 0.75 ppp
CJ -- 3 possessions, 0.83 pp
Lavine-- 3 possessions, 0.89 ppp
LeVert-- 2.6 possessions, 0.67 ppp


Hood- 1.1 possessions, 1.42 ppp (insane, leads the league in this)
Dame- 4.9 possessions, 1.1 ppp
Melo- 2.1 possessions, 0.74 ppp
Ant- 1.1 possessions, 1.02 ppp
Trent- 0.4 possessions, 0.94 pp

Melo is the one that needs to stop.

I use those play/possession numbers quite a bit; they have utility and are interesting

I'm pretty skeptical about how they define play types though. I think there's a lot of overlap between isolation, PnR ball-handler, hand-off, and off-screen. I think that's especially true between iso and PnR. I suspect if a pick happens anytime when a player gets the ball, it's probably classified as PnR even if the player dribbles a dozen times, changes direction three times, then puts up a shot. By my definition of iso, CJ does it a lot more than 3 times a game. Ive watched Milwaukee several times and I'm damn sure Giannis goes iso more than 4 times a game. I think for a lot of those play types, there's a lot of distinction-without-a-difference going on

 

[tlongII]

Is this another "Bash CJ" thread? Asking for a friend...

 

[hoopsjock]

this might go to my biggest complaint about CJ, and it's actually more a criticism of the offense and coaching. The role CJ plays is not a good fit for his strengths and flaws

as you said, CJ is excellent in catch-n-shoot possessions. He leads the team with a 70% eFG and if my math is right, that mark puts him around the 95th percentile in the league. And he's in the 86th percentile is spot-up possessions, same as Dame. (Trent is in the 96th percentile). Those are two types of possessions where CJ's teammates are essentially creating offense for him. He's nearly elite at those types of plays

on the other hand, he's in the 69th percentile in PnR ball-handler; the 46th percentile in hand-off; and the 44th percentile in isolation

In other words, CJ is worse than average when he dribbles into his shots, and nearly elite when he doesn't. Yet he dribbles like crazy and has a 36% assisted FG rate when it should be 66% or higher. Some of that is on CJ, but a bigger share is on the coaches who don't structure his game to his strangths; and some of it is on the GM who refuses to add better facilitators to the roster that would be more able to find CJ in shooting position

I would love to see what CJ's stats would look like if he played the role Trent is playing right now. I'm not saying it would make the team that much better or worse, it would just be nice to be able to compare what is actually the best use of his skill set. There are for sure times when an iso-scorer like CJ or Melo is a great weapon to have.

In my opinion, when someone who is a great shot creator (which CJ is) but uses that ability to get his own shot a majority of the time (which CJ also does) it limits the benefits of having that shot creator. When Dame, LeBron, etc. are creating shots you never know if they are doing so to score themselves or to get a teammate open. A truly elite shot creator uses that skill to make plays and draw the defense whether that is for him to score or to get a teammate an open look. CJ constantly draws at least 2 defenders when he gets to the mid-range. The ironic thing is that if he did pass more out of those situations, not only would it lead to the obvious better ball movement but it would also make the defender hesitate just a second when CJ does drive which would give him slightly more open looks.

Trent's role is perfect with Dame right now. A low usage sniper. Who knows if he'll keep it up, I have no reason to believe that this isn't sustainable but it could just be a hot stretch. I'm fine with Trent not passing much as long as his usage rate stays down. CJ has way too low of an AST% for his usage rate though. So either his AST% needs to go up or his usage rate needs to go down in order to maximize his fit next to Dame. There is certainly times where they need to turn CJ loose and get buckets and that is fine! In the 2nd quarter of game 34 in the regular season (or whatever) isn't really the ideal time for that. This is also why I feel like it would be interesting to see what a playmaking backup PG would do for this team which would allow CJ to stick to the same role whether he was in with the starters or playing with the 2nd unit.

The thing is with how bad our bench has been this year we need both Trent and CJ to be good. So I'm not choosing one over the other. I hope they both play well.

 

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1 James Harden, HOU 11 38.5 .567 16.9 11.8 36.1 2.5 17.0 10.0 25.31 90.5 3.0
2 Caris LeVert, BKN 5 28.8 .612 13.5 9.0 26.0 4.0 13.2 8.2 23.22 27.3 0.9
3 Lou Williams, LAC 6 29.3 .533 24.7 9.7 33.4 3.6 7.4 5.4 21.25 28.2 0.9
4 Paul George, OKC 5 40.8 .583 11.1 13.0 28.6 3.1 20.0 11.4 18.60 24.7 0.8
5 CJ McCollum, POR 16 39.7 .527 12.7 6.5 27.1 2.3 11.0 6.7 17.96 70.7 2.4
6 Tyreke Evans, IND 4 21.0 .563 4.8 9.5 29.9 0.0 24.4 11.0 17.73 0.0 0.0
7 Shai Gilgeous-Alexander, LAC 6 28.8 .596 20.5 5.4 17.5 2.4 8.2 5.2 16.60 14.5 0.5
8 Jerome Robinson, LAC 5 9.2 .556 28.9 4.1 16.1 4.6 10.3 7.3 15.69 3.6 0.1
9 Andre Iguodala, GS 21 30.0 .565 29.0 7.3 14.6 5.1 11.4 8.3 15.29 45.0 1.5
10 Klay Thompson, GS 21 39.0 .575 9.6 8.3 20.9 1.7 10.1 6.0 14.60 50.1 1.7
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11 Luke Kennard, DET 4 33.3 .604 11.7 5.0 16.0 0.0 14.0 6.0 14.00 6.9 0.2
12 Gary Harris, DEN 14 36.9 .569 14.7 5.1 16.0 1.8 10.1 5.9 13.60 23.9 0.8
13 Pat Connaughton, MIL 15 21.6 .578 19.0 8.1 11.7 3.2 24.8 14.4 13.57 14.9 0.5
14 Jaylen Brown, BOS 9 30.4 .624 7.9 12.7 17.1 2.3 16.4 9.7 13.00 10.2 0.3
15 Eric Gordon, HOU 11 37.3 .604 6.9 13.3 19.0 1.4 6.1 3.8 12.76 13.8 0.5
16 Norman Powell, TOR 23 15.9 .558 15.1 7.0 17.2 1.5 13.9 7.7 12.27 9.6 0.3
17 Malik Beasley, DEN 14 20.1 .530 11.0 5.5 17.7 4.0 14.1 9.0 12.12 6.8 0.2
18 Bryn Forbes, SA 7 30.3 .625 10.0 4.3 13.1 0.5 12.1 6.4 11.62 3.5 0.1
19 D'Angelo Russell, BKN 5 29.6 .446 12.8 9.9 32.3 1.3 12.1 6.3 11.60 1.3 0.0
20 Terrence Ross, ORL 5 29.2 .537 8.9 12.7 20.7 0.7 13.7 6.7 11.28 1.7 0.1
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21 Sterling Brown, MIL 11 14.7 .525 27.2 11.5 13.8 2.6 15.5 9.3 10.67 0.4 0.0
22 Fred VanVleet, TOR 24 24.7 .534 23.6 8.0 15.2 1.3 6.2 3.7 10.40 -5.3 -0.2
23 Shaun Livingston, GS 22 14.6 .517 24.8 6.4 12.9 4.0 6.9 5.5 10.09 -4.4 -0.1
24 Darren Collison, IND 4 29.3 .504 21.7 13.6 22.1 3.4 8.3 5.6 9.99 -1.8 -0.1
25 Joe Ingles, UTAH 5 30.2 .432 35.7 11.4 13.9 2.0 15.2 8.3 9.62 -2.0 -0.1
26 Evan Turner, POR 16 15.3 .409 34.8 12.9 12.8 5.6 25.6 15.6 8.99 -5.5 -0.2
27 JJ Redick, PHI 12 31.3 .606 10.9 12.7 16.9 0.6 4.4 2.6 8.95 -8.7 -0.3
28 Marco Belinelli, SA 7 18.7 .504 15.8 3.9 14.7 0.0 10.6 5.3 8.80 -3.3 -0.1
29 Seth Curry, POR 16 20.4 .518 12.2 6.6 12.2 1.6 6.5 4.1 8.37 -10.4 -0.3
30 Danny Green, TOR 24 28.5 .503 12.0 12.0 11.9 2.7 11.3 7.0 7.72 -28.4 -0.9
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31 Gerald Green, HOU 11 8.8 .462 2.2 6.5 18.8 0.0 13.5 7.0 7.23 -4.7 -0.2
32 Donovan Mitchell, UTAH 5 38.6 .423 9.8 12.8 31.3 3.7 10.2 6.8 6.83 -10.6 -0.4
33 Langston Galloway, DET 4 27.5 .456 10.0 5.0 13.1 1.6 13.8 6.9 6.78 -6.1 -0.2
34 Landry Shamet, LAC 6 29.0 .542 16.8 11.8 11.5 0.6 7.5 3.8 6.39 -12.0 -0.4
35 Wayne Ellington, DET 4 32.8 .432 11.7 4.7 11.7 2.0 10.7 5.8 5.73 -9.3 -0.3
36 Garrett Temple, LAC 6 10.5 .455 10.3 10.3 10.9 1.7 11.3 6.2 5.31 -4.9 -0.2
37 Evan Fournier, ORL 5 35.0 .427 10.6 12.7 20.6 1.7 8.7 5.0 5.08 -14.2 -0.5
38 Iman Shumpert, HOU 8 13.6 .522 6.1 9.2 11.6 1.1 11.0 6.2 5.00 -8.9 -0.3
39 Bruce Brown, DET 4 14.3 .437 10.6 10.6 11.9 1.6 14.3 7.1 4.65 -5.0 -0.2
40 Raymond Felton, OKC 5 11.4 .396 15.9 10.6 11.5 0.0 5.8 2.9 4.22 -5.3 -0.2
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41 Wesley Matthews, IND 4 29.8 .447 16.9 16.9 14.5 0.0 10.1 4.6 3.59 -12.3 -0.4
42 Treveon Graham, BKN 5 15.8 .277 16.1 16.1 7.8 2.4 11.3 6.5 0.74 -11.5 -0.4
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• AST: Assist Ratio - the percentage of a player's possessions that ends in an assist. Assist Ratio = (Assists x 100) divided by [(FGA + (FTA x 0.44) + Assists + Turnovers]
• TO: Turnover Ratio - the percentage of a player's possessions that end in a turnover. Turnover Ratio = (Turnover x 100) divided by [(FGA + (FTA x 0.44) + Assists + Turnovers]
• USG: Usage Rate - the number of possessions a player uses per 40 minutes. Usage Rate = {[FGA + (FT Att. x 0.44) + (Ast x 0.33) + TO] x 40 x League Pace} divided by (Minutes x Team Pace)
• ORR: Offensive rebound rate
• DRR: Defensive rebound rate
• REBR: Rebound Rate - the percentage of missed shots that a player rebounds. Rebound Rate = (100 x (Rebounds x Team Minutes)) divided by [Player Minutes x (Team Rebounds + Opponent Rebounds)]
• PER: Player Efficiency Rating is the overall rating of a player's per-minute statistical production. The league average is 15.00 every season.
• VA: Value Added - the estimated number of points a player adds to a team’s season total above what a 'replacement player' (for instance, the 12th man on the roster) would produce. Value Added = ([Minutes * (PER - PRL)] / 67). PRL (Position Replacement Level) = 11.5 for power forwards, 11.0 for point guards, 10.6 for centers, 10.5 for shooting guards and small forwards
• EWA: Estimated Wins Added - Value Added divided by 30, giving the estimated number of wins a player adds to a team’s season total above what a 'replacement player' would produce.
• Player Efficiency Rating (PER) League average: 15.0
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• How Do Projections Work? »

• Every team these days need a gun slinger!

 

[illmatic99]

There used to be a site tracking assists, with data on who the assist was made to. Does anyone remember what this site was? Completely spacing on it at the moment.

I recall seeing numbers that showed most of Dame's assists were to Nurk, and vice versa. I wonder how much missing Nurk this year is affecting CJ's catch and shoot attempts this season.

 

[James lamphear]

Trent playing well now but offer starting 2 guard to him quite yet. If he continue the rest the season and to next trading deadline then I would look him us starter.

 

[maxiep]

I had no idea that Meyers Leonard changed his a

Is this another "Bash CJ" thread? Asking for a friend...

CJ is the new MyLe. There always has to be one on the roster...