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TBpup said:
If they were frustrated with Trent's defense, how did they feel about CJ's?
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Well, to start the season off, Gary was playing horrible defense
 
illmatic99 said:
I hate per 36 stats for guys playing less than half that time. Can't believe people still use that shit like gospel. These things in basketball cannot just be extrapolated linearly like that.
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are you talking about my per36 box for Klay and Trent? Was that the trigger?

if it is you should know that Klay averaged 24.4 minutes and Trent is averaging 23.4 minutes, so per36 just normalizes apples to apples in that case
 
James lamphear said:
Trent is catch and shoot type player right now but he still have upside too. When he can take people off the dribbling but right now he when try to get to his spot he keep his dribble until he gets there. I don't think he will never be a slasher.
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Trent is a much better ball handler than his Blazers comparison: Wes Matthews.
 
wizenheimer said:
are you talking about my per36 box for Klay and Trent? Was that the trigger?

if it is you should know that Klay averaged 24.4 minutes and Trent is averaging 23.4 minutes, so per36 just normalizes apples to apples in that case
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Gary Trent is averaging 17.6 minutes per game this season. His recent stretch has been amazing. But you are comparing him to a perennial DPOY candidate and the second best shooter of all time who will be a surefire HOF.

I can make Ant's stats look like Kobe's rookie year too. Doesn't mean anything.
 
BBert said:
Trent is a much better ball handler than his Blazers comparison: Wes Matthews.
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I think the most apt comp for Trent is Allen Crabbe the season before he got paid.

The defense is what has me more excited about Trent though. He's got that dog in him that Wessy did.
 
illmatic99 said:
Gary Trent is averaging 17.6 minutes per game this season. His recent stretch has been amazing. But you are comparing him to a perennial DPOY candidate and the second best shooter of all time who will be a surefire HOF.
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lol...I had the wrong Gary Trent on the page when I said he averaged 23 minutes. Still 17.6 minutes and 24 minutes aren't far enough apart to invalidate per36. I guess I could have used per 100/possessions, but apparently that isn't your complaint

I compared 2nd year Trent to 1st year Klay. That was before Klay was an all-star, or even a steady starter. The reason I used Klay was because Trent and Klay have offensive styles much more similar than Trent and CJ. If you think I was suggesting Trent's trajectory will match Klay's, that's you reading between lines that weren't there.

but more than that, are you saying that comparisons between current young players and older players when they were young shouldn't be done if the older player has hit all-star level? That wouldn't make sense to me
 
wizenheimer said:
what inspires hope for me is Trent isn't another short guard like Dame-CJ-Napier-Curry
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This. CJ also has the shortest wingspan on the team thereby making him even 'smaller' defensively.
 
illmatic99 said:
I think the most apt comp for Trent is Allen Crabbe the season before he got paid.

The defense is what has me more excited about Trent though. He's got that dog in him that Wessy did.
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Crabbe was/is strictly a catch and shoot guy. Trent has more to his game even though he’s filling that role at the moment.
 
GDiama said:
I think if Simons was playing like that we would be talking about our next All Star. Not saying that Trent is gonna be one, but this is really encouraging. I really hope Anfernee doesn't take any minutes away from him, we really need a guy like that on the wing right now. Next season is a different discussion, but Simons will only hurt us if the target is the playoffs.
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Simons sucks imo. I hope he learns something from Gary Trent in the meantime let him watch and realize how this dude took his role
 
PCmor7 said:
Which is a bit weird, because Trent's only a few months older and Ant played more until just a few weeks ago. Even in their first year, Ant played more.
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It’s not weird he’s just not good. He literally got worse month by month
 
It's a great story, but why is anyone surprised by Trent progressing faster than Simons? Trent is the son of an NBA player who stayed in the league for nine years, not based on otherworldly ability, but his work ethic. We all know his dad, and he was a blue-collar player. You don't think he instilled that work ethic in his son?

Also, he may have only played for Duke for a year, but imagine how much Coach K was able to teach him. Also, he had exposure to the best competition college basketball has to offer.

Simons is a freakish talent. However, this is a kid who we yanked from HS (albeit from his PG year at IMG). At this level, everyone is talented. It's the work you put in. It's learning how to prepare. Trent has put in the work. I imagine he's been putting in that work since he could dribble a basketball. Simons has to learn to put in the work. I have every confidence he will. You can see just how talented he is.

I think both have bright futures, if not with the Blazers, then in the NBA.
 
When Trent shoots, I know his shot will fall!

.....when CJ shoots, I hope.

if the Blazers are going to win, the starting lineup (through the rest of this season AND playoffs) should be:

Dame / Trent / Ariza / Mello / Whiteside

second team of

Ant / CJ / Little / Collins / Nurk

Biggie, the new kid from Sac & Mario as needed
 
Let's not get ahead of ourselves. I love what we have gotten from Trent. His potential is high because his work ethic is excellent.
But let's not forget how important "creating your own shot" is. Besides Melo, who maybe has one more year in him at the most, only Dame and CJ can do that.
The goal is the playoffs when creating your own shot becomes even more important because defenses tighten up. I think Trent will be a solid 3 and D player. I think Simons has the potential to be one of those rare "create your own shot" type players that we have begged for in the past. You need 2-3 of them on the team.
 
Pinwheel1 said:
But let's not forget how important "creating your own shot" is.
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How important is it? Seems to me that's a matter for some debate. Personally, I'd much rather pair Dane with a Klay-Thomson-type than a Lou-Williams-type.
 
PtldPlatypus said:
How important is it? Seems to me that's a matter for some debate. Personally, I'd much rather pair Dane with a Klay-Thomson-type than a Lou-Williams-type.
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If you have two others on the floor that can create their own shot then yeah a Klay Thompson type is fine. Maybe Melo is that 2nd guy, maybe not. But regardless Melo won't be around long. But if you just have Dame who can do it, and Dame gets trapped (usually in the playoffs) then having 2 others who can create their own shot is essential IMO.
 
How about my man Gary Trent Jr?! The thing I like most about him: his defense. Very active, very good hands, seems to be taking pride in his defense.
Also, don't discount my man ant just because Gary is playing well, it doesn't have to come at his expanse.
And where is my man Nassir Little? Another very active defender
 
He measured better than i remembered pre draft.
per NBA.com:
"Possesses good size for a shooting guard. Measured 6’5.75 in shoes with a 6’8.75 wingspan at the NBA Draft Combine. "
 
lawai'a said:
He measured better than i remembered pre draft.
per NBA.com:
"Possesses good size for a shooting guard. Measured 6’5.75 in shoes with a 6’8.75 wingspan at the NBA Draft Combine. "
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he was 6'4.25" w/o shoes though. And his wingspan was only an inch more than Dame. Used to be that 6'4 was on the short side for a SG but there are a lot of shorter SG's now. It's also possible he grew a little since those measurements
 
I was not high at all on him like most people here, and glad to be wrong.

Of all the young players we were hyping going into the season, The guy nobody was talking about has been the best contributor.
 
SIeepwalker said:
I was not high at all on him like most people here, and glad to be wrong.

Of all the young players we were hyping going into the season, The guy nobody was talking about has been the best contributor.
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Hmm, I thought most people weren't high on him.
 
PtldPlatypus said:
How important is it? Seems to me that's a matter for some debate. Personally, I'd much rather pair Dane with a Klay-Thomson-type than a Lou-Williams-type.
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KD Paired with Steph pretty good... Dwade and Lebron, I think most, “next level” teams have two guys who at the very least can have the offense go through them and handle the ball reliably.
 
TorturedBlazerFan said:
KD Paired with Steph pretty good... Dwade and Lebron, I think most, “next level” teams have two guys who at the very least can have the offense go through them and handle the ball reliably.
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Yep... would be great to have a forward who can handle the ball. Like Nassir Little, for example. Or perhaps Wenyen Gabriel.
 
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