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Gary Trent:
Double figures in 9 out of his 11 recent games.
15+ points in four if them.
34 threes over that stretch.

Here comes the kicker: he only registered ONE SINGLE turnover in those 11 games (vs 14 steals, 18 assists).

Man at the very least he’s a great open 3 pointer shooter and will always have a long career for that type of skill
 
I think if Simons was playing like that we would be talking about our next All Star. Not saying that Trent is gonna be one, but this is really encouraging. I really hope Anfernee doesn't take any minutes away from him, we really need a guy like that on the wing right now. Next season is a different discussion, but Simons will only hurt us if the target is the playoffs.
 
I think if Simons was playing like that we would be talking about our next All Star. Not saying that Trent is gonna be one, but this is really encouraging. I really hope Anfernee doesn't take any minutes away from him, we really need a guy like that on the wing right now. Next season is a different discussion, but Simons will only hurt us if the target is the playoffs.
If Simons played like this, people would hype him up as a future all-star because it'd be in combination with the high level potential Simons shows. People hype of Simons because he can do things that Trent cant, and his flashes are impressive. Trent was labeled the more NBA ready player, and he's showing that.
 
If Simons played like this, people would hype him up as a future all-star because it'd be in combination with the high level potential Simons shows. People hype of Simons because he can do things that Trent cant, and his flashes are impressive. Trent was labeled the more NBA ready player, and he's showing that.

Which is a bit weird, because Trent's only a few months older and Ant played more until just a few weeks ago. Even in their first year, Ant played more.
 
Gary Trent is 63 of 149 for swish3s and that is 42.3%, the highest of active Blazers having made at least 5. He is among FT% leaders at 89.5, and has a WS/48 of 0.104. Gary has earned 6th man status and can continue to make the Blazers competitive against winning teams.
 
The percentage of players he's drafted that are at least rotation players in the nba is ridiculous. I’d put his draft record up against any other GM.

well don't forget, he's the only GM in the history of the league to pass on Giannis.
 
There’s a reason he’s been in our closing lineups lately..and he should continue to be. Dude is money..ready for the spotlight..plays D. When he gets an open 3 I’m surprised when it doesn’t go in
 
If Simons played like this, people would hype him up as a future all-star because it'd be in combination with the high level potential Simons shows. People hype of Simons because he can do things that Trent cant, and his flashes are impressive. Trent was labeled the more NBA ready player, and he's showing that.

I'm afraid we have been tricked into this "high level potential" because of athleticism. Nothing else is good or looks promising with Simons right now. No passing game, no pull up game, no idea where to be defensively and weak body. Guy has monster vertical but basically that's it for now.
 
I'm afraid we have been tricked into this "high level potential" because of athleticism. Nothing else is good or looks promising with Simons right now. No passing game, no pull up game, no idea where to be defensively and weak body. Guy has monster vertical but basically that's it for now.
eh? His vision is substantially better than CJ's already. He can make a pinpoint skip pass and most definitely has a good pull game with what looks like elite footwork while coming around picks.
 
Trent has been so good on 3-pointers that he has now made more 3’s for the season (63) than any Portland player other than Lillard (210) and McCollum (133). He has more 3-point makes than Carmelo Anthony (55) and Simons (57) despite having played 723 minutes, far fewer than Anthony’s 1,238 minutes and Simons’ 1,173.

In fact, Trent has already made more 3-pointers than three of last season’s rotation players made all season – Jake Layman (59), Meyers Leonard (50) and Maurice Harkless (33).

And more importantly, the former second-round pick has become a key cog in the Blazers’ attempt to salvage a tough, injury plagued season with a late run to the playoffs.

“You just love to see it,” Lillard said of Trent. “I told him the other day, I don’t know if I’ve ever been more proud or happier for another player, or a younger player, since I’ve been in the league, for what he’s been doing.”
https://www.forbes.com/sites/miketo...r-taking-his-opportunity-and-running-with-it/
Mike Tokito is writing at Forbes?
 
eh? His vision is substantially better than CJ's already. He can make a pinpoint skip pass and most definitely has a good pull game with what looks like elite footwork while coming around picks.

Being better than CJ doesn't mean much. I mean CJ is bad at this. And Ant's ast% is 9.3. Again it's just flashes. Everybody has that or almost everybody. if you compile a video of Ant you can make him look like a superstar, but then again you see his stas, row and advanced and he is just bad.
 
Being better than CJ doesn't mean much. I mean CJ is bad at this. And Ant's ast% is 9.3. Again it's just flashes. Everybody has that or almost everybody. if you compile a video of Ant you can make him look like a superstar, but then again you see his stas, row and advanced and he is just bad.
Right. The flashes that he's shows are what make him an exciting prospect. Whether he reaches that potential is another matter, but he's clearly got tools there that other non-lillard guards on our team dont.
 
Gary Trent:
Double figures in 9 out of his 11 recent games.
15+ points in four if them.
34 threes over that stretch.

Here comes the kicker: he only registered ONE SINGLE turnover in those 11 games (vs 14 steals, 18 assists).

Ridiculous! That is an insanely efficient stretch.

In those 11 games, Trent is:
3-pt% - .478 (that includes a 1-10 night)
FG% - .616
Asst/TO - 18/1
 
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The thing I really like about Trent is that he doesn't need to dribble much if at all to be effective right now. I totally don't mind a low Ast% if combined with a low usage rate.

I really hope Collins comes back this season because I want to see a defensive lineup of Dame, Trent, Ariza, Collins, and either Whiteside/Nurk, especially in late game situations.
 
Everyone talks about Simons upside he might have that but the problem with Simons is just like CJ there both stop ball type of players and can throw Melo in that conversation.
 
Trent is catch and shoot type player right now but he still have upside too. When he can take people off the dribbling but right now he when try to get to his spot he keep his dribble until he gets there. I don't think he will never be a slasher.
 
I give Trent another year playing like this until he get CJ starting position. I believe if Trent continue to play both sides of the ball like he is CJ would be either expandable in trade or come off the bench as 6th man. Guys like Trent are starters in the league because they can play both ends of the floor. Look what Dame said in his interview there putting Trent on the hot man from the opponent. If that not telling you something then I don't know what.
 
Trent is catch and shoot type player right now but he still have upside too. When he can take people off the dribbling but right now he when try to get to his spot he keep his dribble until he gets there. I don't think he will never be a slasher.
plenty of gleague highlights show the dribble drive. effective dribbling with his left but seems to always switch to finish with his right hand though. upper body strength allowed for separation and absorbing contact. left hand dribble into stepback three was displayed often too. like you pointed out, signs are there for further development to his game at the nba level and as a workout warrior, it seems we may see those skills manifest sooner rather than later. maybe just waiting for them to takeaway the 3 first. seems to be a smart player.
 


some of those are a little deceptive, but close enough to give a sense of things

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lot to notice in that box. Trent needs to improve his rebounding to start with. He also needs to develop some dribble drive action and increase his FT rate. The advantages Trent has in TS%, BPM, and winshare/48 are pretty revealing. And that he's almost even with CJ in VORP is very revealing because VORP is a cumulative stat and CJ has 2.5 as many minutes as Trent

to me, this may be a more revealing and a better comp:

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now, this was Klay's 1st season and Trent's 2nd season. But Klay played 3 seasons at WSU, and those two extra years count for something

we have to keep in mind though that a real hot streak doesn't set the bar for median play. Trent will likely cool off. Another significant factor is that Trent is getting scouted right now. Teams are going to come into games more prepared for Trent's strengths. I think that's one thing that happened to Simons. Opponents took away his best arrows and he has nothing else in his quiver
 
Always hear about Simons’ upside but I think it all depends on wether he can develop as a lead guard. It’s very hard to become a facilitator at the nba level if you aren’t already one coming in imo. His frame also doesn’t seem like it’ll be able to add too much weight. Right now, I’d say his ceiling is Will Barton. That’s not bad, but it’s also nothing to get too amped about.

Trent at minimum is a 3&D wing. But from what I’ve seen from him in different settings, like the g league for example, he can create his own shot off the dribble and has a post up game. We just haven’t seen that part of his game...yet. Also, look at his body and compare it to Simons. They’re the same age. Trent is gonna be a beast when he hits his mid 20s.
 
some of those are a little deceptive, but close enough to give a sense of things

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lot to notice in that box. Trent needs to improve his rebounding to start with. He also needs to develop some dribble drive action and increase his FT rate. The advantages Trent has in TS%, BPM, and winshare/48 are pretty revealing. And that he's almost even with CJ in VORP is very revealing because VORP is a cumulative stat and CJ has 2.5 as many minutes as Trent

to me, this may be a more revealing and a better comp:

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now, this was Klay's 1st season and Trent's 2nd season. But Klay played 3 seasons at WSU, and those two extra years count for something

we have to keep in mind though that a real hot streak doesn't set the bar for median play. Trent will likely cool off. Another significant factor is that Trent is getting scouted right now. Teams are going to come into games more prepared for Trent's strengths. I think that's one thing that happened to Simons. Opponents took away his best arrows and he has nothing else in his quiver

Yeah....couldn't put all of that in a response Tweet. :cheers:
 
I hate per 36 stats for guys playing less than half that time. Can't believe people still use that shit like gospel. These things in basketball cannot just be extrapolated linearly like that.
 
Yeah....couldn't put all of that in a response Tweet. :cheers:
That's one thing I hate about Twitter is that it's sometimes very difficult to have a discussion with the character limits.
 
Mike Richman had some insight that you don't read elsewhere about Gary:

Apparently, coaching staff was really frustrated with Gary's defense early in the year and his lack of focus in the few minutes that he was playing. Also a fun note about CJ apparently telling Gary not to play so much 1 on 1 after practice to save his legs for fourth quarters.
 
Mike Richman had some insight that you don't read elsewhere about Gary:



Apparently, coaching staff was really frustrated with Gary's defense early in the year and his lack of focus in the few minutes that he was playing. Also a fun note about CJ apparently telling Gary not to play so much 1 on 1 after practice to save his legs for fourth quarters.


If they were frustrated with Trent's defense, how did they feel about CJ's?
 
Also sounds like Melo has been in Gary's ear a lot about staying ready and prepared.
 
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