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This was, in my opinion a terrible pick. If I were Isiah I would've snagged Sato. I am very disapointed, however if he blossoms it will be a steal.

My grade: C- :thumbsdow
 
I don't know man, he might turn out for you guys. I would rather have had him than Justin Reed.
 
Ariza I think made a stupid move declaring for the draft in the first place. He didn't put up stats at all in college. Should have stayed in college to improve.
 
Agreed. He cost himself some money, but he's in the league now. He'll improve or he won't, I don't think guys improve as much in college as people think anymore.
 
He's not gonna make the team, is he?
 
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Nylex:</div><div class="quote_post">He's not gonna make the team, is he?</div>
Nohe really isn't.

Ariza has NO defense unless it's by the perimeter. his man-to-man defense is prettty bad. Overall it was a mistake to let Sato go, not only Sato drop, but he's In SAN ANTONIO!
 
Oh well. We couldn't really expect much with a 43rd pick anyway.
 
We could have picked Darius Rice!!!
 
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting FrankWilliams:</div><div class="quote_post">We could have picked Darius Rice!!!</div>

Yeah, I'm still confused as to why he wasn't drafted :/.
 
The Knicks should pickup Darius Rice....
Why wasnt he picked anyway....???
 
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Nylex:</div><div class="quote_post">Oh well. We couldn't really expect much with a 43rd pick anyway.</div>



How about that 7 foot 2 korean dude?
 
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Biggie_Little:</div><div class="quote_post">How about that 7 foot 2 korean dude?</div>
YEA I was gonna say that....
that 7 '2 center wasnt he suppose to be selected much earlier....??
 
Terrible pick. The scouts told this kid plenty of times that he should pull out of the draft 2 weeks ago in Chicago pre-draft camp. He needed to basically work on his whole game but he didn't listen. Why? I ask why the hell would NY take him when there were more ready players available?
 
Hey, he is Thomas's first Knick pick and he doesnt seem all that bad. One year of college ball, meaning he can really improve alot he's only 18. He is very athletic, plays good defense, and is supposed to be an excellent passer at 6'8. What more can you ask for. Not everyone has to be a big time scorer to be a good NBA players. You need guys like camby who can get boards, set picks, play solid defense and get put backs. This kid sounds like a harder worker and someone who will work hard for the team to win games, and not just to up his stats. I would love it if this kid could turn into a Tayshan Price type guy, who plays good defense, scores a little if needed, and reounds. A guy who could be forgotten on the court and who will make you pay for it. And I really like the fact that he is supposed to be a good passer and gets a thrill out of making it easier for others to score, from what I hear he sounds like a guy thats willing to do all the dirty work and I really like that.

I like this pick also because he still has tons of potentail. If he stayed at school another two years he could have been a lottery pick, who knows. I.Thomas was trying to move up just to get him and we got him anyways at 44, some think he should have been the 1st pick in the second round ( http://proxy.espn.go.com/chat/chatESPN?event_id=5503 check out the second round sleepers. ). I look at it as if we drafted a high schooler. ALot of people think nothing can really matieralize out of a second rounder but look at history and it will tell you other wise. Plus this draft was so weird with all the high schoolers and all that I think alot o good players slipped, and we could have benefited from that.

All in all I think it was a good pick and I look forward to seeing what he can in during the summer. Worse comes to worse we simply dont sign him, we'd still have Demarr.

Also check out what I.Thomas says about it. http://www.nba.com/knicks/inthepaint/isiahdraft_040625.html
 
Ariza is no where ready to play in the NBA...I was a fan of his in college and was terribly disappointed when he chose to stay in the draft. Right now, his shooting is probably his biggest weakness...if he can improve that, i say he might have a shot 3-4 years down the line....
 
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting FrankWilliams:</div><div class="quote_post">YEA I was gonna say that....
that 7 '2 center wasnt he suppose to be selected much earlier....??</div>




I think he was selected in the 46th pick.
 
Just out of curiosity..are you guys talking about Ha Sueng Jin when you say the "7'2 Korean dude"?
 
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting The Jersey Boi:</div><div class="quote_post">Just out of curiosity..are you guys talking about Ha Sueng Jin when you say the "7'2 Korean dude"?</div>


Yea
 
I am not going to pretend to be a Knicks fan...but I will tell you this much...I strongly feel that in a couple of years, Ariza is going turn out to be one of the steals of this years NBA draft...

I have been a UCLA basketball fan almost all my life (although I am a USC football fan...don't ask, its just always been like that)...and to me, Ariza represented the future of UCLA basketball (I go to a good number of UCLA home games and watch them on TV regularly)...One of the reasons why Ariza didn't put up good stats his first year in college (although they were far from bad) was because he nearly died at the start of the season when his lungs collapsed due to his asthma...Ben Howland was forced to monitor his minutes closely in order to prevent health problems and it was not until the end of the season that Ariza was really cut loose.

Ariza is an amazing athlete and all-around player (although it is true, his defense could use a lil work but that is something that dedication and hardwork can correct). At 6'8 with a wingspan of about 7'2 (i believe, someone correct me if i'm wrong) he has a fairly good (although not entirely consistent yet) shot, above average ball-handling abilities, and can jump out of the building. His senior year at Westchester (which plays in one of the most intense conferences in California) he nearly averaged a triple double with 36 pts, 14 boards, and 9 assists a game to go along with what I believe was 5 blocks and 5 steals per game. He was a true superstar prospect coming into UCLA that would have developed much nicer had he not had the health concerns at the beginning of the season.

He most definitely WILL make the Knicks roster this year as Isaiah is very high on his talent and was shocked that a player of his talent, athleticism, and size would still be available to them at the 43 spot. Although I was not surprised to see him slip this low in teh draft, I was always confident that he would turn out to be a big time player in the NBA for somebody someday. He is rail thin and needs to hit the weight room, bring a lil more consistency to his outside game, and put some more effort in on the defensive end. He is also young for a ball-player in his grade, being just 19 and only a couple months older than most of the high school prospects coming out this year.

You guys have a big time player in the mix and I would advise you guys to check out his game a lil bit more before deciding that this was a horrible pick. Anyone that says the Knicks should have drafted Darius Rice over Trevor Ariza is a fool who has not watched Ariza play enough to know how good he really can be. His debut in the Long Beach summer league should say enough for his talent as he went 9/13 from the field for 22 pts, grabbed 6 boards, and blocked a shot and had 3 steals...in fact, my only regret of him being drafted by the Knicks is that I won't be able to watch him play anymore and he was by far my favorite UCLA player of last season...he's gonna be a good one, and when it happens, i'll be the first to tell you Knicks fans i told you so...
 
and btw...sato is entirely too small to play in the NBA...give Ariza a year or 2 and he will absolutely dominate Sato...and don't get me wrong, im a huge fan of sato...but ariza is a much better pick than sato...
 
update: Ariza pours in another nice game in Long Beach Summer League

39 minutes, 6/12 from the field, 9/12 ft line, 21 pts, 6 boards, 3 assists, 6 turnovers (eh most young players turn the ball over quite a bit), and 3 steals (so much for no defense)...
 
I have watched the summer league games, and I must say that I have changed my mind. I love this kid. I think that the potential that he has is enormous.

My NEW grade: B+
 
good...im glad for the knicks actually...seemingly the only way the knicks could have a bright future (because of heavy contracts) is by finding a steal in the draft or through a trade where someone thrown in as filler turns out to be starting material...

enjoy ariza in the future knicks fans as i got to enjoy him in his only year at ucla...be patient...he'll come around
 
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting SCBrian:</div><div class="quote_post">
One of the reasons why Ariza didn't put up good stats his first year in college (although they were far from bad) was because he nearly died at the start of the season when his lungs collapsed due to his asthma...Ben Howland was forced to monitor his minutes closely in order to prevent health problems and it was not until the end of the season that Ariza was really cut loose.</div>

I don't think his lungs collapsed due to his asthma...He had a condition called spontaneous pnemothorax (sp?) where the outer layer of his lung punctured (for no reason, thus its "spontaneous") and thus pushing down and "collapsing" his lungs...while this is a very serious condition, he didn't "almost die." U can go a few days with that collapsed lung before dying. However, the pain is so intense that you would immediately check yourself into a hospital before there would be any chance of u dying ... What they do is painfully jam a tube into your chest, and suck out that air that's not suppose to be there. You usually have to lie in the hospital for a week, and it takes about a month to fully rehabilitate


<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">You guys have a big time player in the mix and I would advise you guys to check out his game a lil bit more before deciding that this was a horrible pick. Anyone that says the Knicks should have drafted Darius Rice over Trevor Ariza is a fool who has not watched Ariza play enough to know how good he really can be. </div>

I'm a HUGE UCLA fan, watch most of their games, and honestly, I'd rather have Darius Rice...
 
hm i dunno you could be right about that...but they still believed it was due in part to his asthma...or maybe that his ashmatic condition was a contributing factor...either way yah what you said about the procedure and recovery he had to go through was about right...and if im not mistaken both of his lungs collapsed and umm that is pretty close to 'dying' to me...i mean its not like they had to revive him or anything like that but hell...still aint good when both your lungs collapse on you...especially if you're a high performance athlete...

i like darius rice as much as the next guy, but ariza has more fire than rice, rice has always been a guy who has inconsistent effort...i'd like to know exactly what it is you like about rices current game and upside over arizas...not saying you're wrong, i'd just like to hear the argument and see if we could go back and forth and find a good conclusion...rice is taller with unlimited range on his J but other then that i really don't see too many other things that would make me want him over ariza, maybe im overlooking things though...let me know...thx for the info on arizas condition though...
 
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting SCBrian:</div><div class="quote_post">hm i dunno you could be right about that...but they still believed it was due in part to his asthma...or maybe that his ashmatic condition was a contributing factor...either way yah what you said about the procedure and recovery he had to go through was about right...and if im not mistaken both of his lungs collapsed and umm that is pretty close to 'dying' to me...i mean its not like they had to revive him or anything like that but hell...still aint good when both your lungs collapse on you...especially if you're a high performance athlete...</div>

I consider myself a semi-expert...I went through it in 2001 and trust me, its not a pleasant experience, lol...


<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">i like darius rice as much as the next guy, but ariza has more fire than rice, rice has always been a guy who has inconsistent effort...i'd like to know exactly what it is you like about rices current game and upside over arizas...not saying you're wrong, i'd just like to hear the argument and see if we could go back and forth and find a good conclusion...rice is taller with unlimited range on his J but other then that i really don't see too many other things that would make me want him over ariza, maybe im overlooking things though...let me know...thx for the info on arizas condition though...</div>

Rice has the length, and he has the better shot. Depending on the system, that makes for a better role player. He's inconsistent, but he has shown that he can step up in big games...He's a 4 year college player, plenty of experience, and with his head on striaight...

I like Ariza but his game is still very raw...He has a horrible looking jumpshot, his foul shooting is as bad as Shaq's. and he's still pretty thin. I dont see Ariza making an impact for another 3-4 years (if at all) and as an NBA GM, i'd go for the instant results
 
hm yah you make some good points, rice does have great length and a great shot, but I really see him turning out to be a tweener in the NBA, not strong enough to be a PF, and maybe just a step too slow to keep up with the really athletic SF's in the NBA...but his length may be more than enough to make up for that, im not sure...i would loved to have had the opportunity to see him play in a summer league somewhere to get a better gauge on him...

i just think ariza has the ability to become a marquee SF in the nba and i think with the 43rd pick, he could still turn out to be a huge steal...and i think the reason the knicks did want him is because he is raw, he is young, but hes still an effective and well rounded player, so if his game develops with his athleticism, hes gonna be trouble in the future
 
listen this rookie is everything we thought he wouldent be. isiah really came under the radra and got us a pretty good player
 
good pickup for a second rounder but i dont like him....
hes ok hes not that great dont forget he hasnt played with the big boys yet....
i would rather have dermarr johnson on the roster....
 
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting FrankWilliams:</div><div class="quote_post">i really dont like this guy...
i would rather have dermarr johnson...</div>
Dermarr's play in the summer league has been flat-out drek. Arza will take DJ's spot on the roster.
 
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