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stampedehero said:
> I think he represents himself and no other entity at all. This guy has an ego spirit that dwells within his body like snake poison that needs to be extracted. He is like the show off at the party. All the attention must be delivered to him. I once thought he ran as a candidate for his ego and future promotional purposes. Since I lived on the East coast I knew about his self serving circus for years. We could not vote for him based on fear of his decisions, inexperience, incomplete thoughts and outright bitter personality. The country will choose Clinton as the lesser of two evils. We just have to grind this out for her term.
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^^^pretty much sums up my feelings as well...as I've said since this whole nightmare began, "Trump scares the hell outta me."
 
yankeesince59 said:
...couldn't have said it better myself;



Donald Trump, Alien to All That’s Great

It’s taken me awhile to put my finger on exactly what political label best describes Donald Trump as his presidential campaign snarls and spits to a finish. I think I’ve finally got it: Donald Trump is a “legal alien.”

That’s right, the man who has spent the last year railing against those dastardly “illegal aliens” supposedly wreaking havoc on our country turns out to be a legal alien — someone born in America but whose values are completely alien to all that has made this country great.

Who do you know who has denigrated immigrants, the handicapped, Muslims and Mexicans; trashed all our recent trade agreements; mounted a fraudulent campaign claiming our president was not born in this country; insulted the whole presidential selection process by running for the highest office without doing a shred of homework; boasted of grabbing women by their genitals; disparaged our NATO allies; praised the dictatorial president of Russia and encouraged him to hack Democratic Party emails; vowed to prosecute his campaign rival if he got elected; threatened to curb the freedom of the press; suggested that gun rights advocates might take the law into their own hands if Hillary Clinton won; insulted the parents of a slain Iraq war hero; been accused by 11 women of sexual assault or other unwelcome physical advances; sought to undermine America’s electoral system by claiming, without a shred of evidence, that it is so “rigged” he can’t promise to concede if he loses; and been cited for lying about more things more times in more ways on more days than any presidential aspirant in history?

This cocktail of toxic behaviors and attitudes is utterly alien to anyone who has ever run for president — and for good reason. But that is who Trump is. The big question now is, who are the rest of us?
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...^^^ don't hold back 59....! (chuckle), and

: ditto :
 
stampedehero said:
If I was a producer for the Discovery networks, I would be sure to set up a series revealing all the ridiculous campaign agenda's from presidential candidates from George Washington's election to the present. I know lies were distributed by media and candidates in the time of Andrew Jackson and presidencies controlled by media in the mid 1800's to the first world war. The BS we witness is not new. The American people had been shafted for years.
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CNN, with Kevin Spacey as the narrator, did just that this summer.

Stunning to hear how Lincoln printed 5, 000 Convention Tickets, with 'door opening' times, 3 hrs early, so when his adversary arrived (with a parade of peeps), there were very few seats.

This was in a time, when the noise of the convention floor was the determining factor, as to who got what votes, in an early attempt at a Electoral College or Crony type of weak attempt....

anyway, here's some links: to some great documentary film, I believe is now available on DVD- great stuff I had never heard of for slight of hand, and attacks of Politicians most outrageous acts....un-fkng-believable doc...
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt5194802/?ref_=nm_flmg_act_7

 
Perhaps Trump can muscle his way through Brighton Beach and get 100% of the Russian votes. He just criticized Clinton for the US role in Syria. Of course, Putin used that for his
purpose. If I i
 
yankeesince59 said:
...oooops! [Hillary Clinton voice]

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2016/10/28/fbi-reopens-investigation-into-clinton-email-use.html
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I saw this first thing this morn. Let's hope the FBI is not simply posturing, from heat of Congress, and their own bungled agendaes, to keep Hillary safe n sound. Fire the FBI Director, start an independent investigation ie Congressional Hearings, then put the bitch in KS/Siberia/Ft. Leavenworth, where she belongs....

Damned, I hope this one unseats the bitch, fkng liar, spies are labelled as such for less....
 
I don't think Comey should be having anything to do with this but clearly that's not going to happen. Plus, for all the I hope this is finally it for her crowd. Keep in mind what the Republicans in Congress just said recently. That they're going to investigate her right out of the gate when she gets into the White House. This is likely nothing more than not giving them ammunition about evidence being kept under wraps. My opinion anyway.
 
^^^I wonder how long this new "investigation" will take and if she is found to have conspired, what ramifications it will have?

...only 11 days left...I wonder how much damage this might do?

...what if she wins the election and subsequently is found "guilty"?...who then becomes POTUS ?
 
All good questions Ron. The drama just continues. The FBI should've done their job to begin with. Comey made a fool of himself with his explanation to Congress.
 
Messiah717 said:
I don't think Comey should be having anything to do with this but clearly that's not going to happen. Plus, for all the I hope this is finally it for her crowd. Keep in mind what the Republicans in Congress just said recently. That they're going to investigate her right out of the gate when she gets into the White House. This is likely nothing more than not giving them ammunition about evidence being kept under wraps. My opinion anyway.
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Messiah717 said:
I don't think Comey should be having anything to do with this but clearly that's not going to happen. Plus, for all the I hope this is finally it for her crowd. Keep in mind what the Republicans in Congress just said recently. That they're going to investigate her right out of the gate when she gets into the White House. This is likely nothing more than not giving them ammunition about evidence being kept under wraps. My opinion anyway.
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...^^^ agreed...

Comey should of been fired after his first fiasco tap dance in front of Congress; they should of pressed Obuma to relieve him of his duties; but we know where that would go.

In NO way should Comey come close enough to what should be an Independent Investigation by Congress 1st, maybe the Justice Dept too, (tho' I'm sure the JD would bumble it all as well).

Listening to the asshat Wolf Blitzer talk, he sounds like he's been involved with TSAR, SAR, and C documentation, of which he personally could of never seen. Wolf keeps swearing the documents Hillary had were missing a "Classified Header"; while he tries to define material of which he has no clue about its handling protocol.

"Classified" is only a term used when handling TSAR, SAR or CAR documentation, as well as PAR. His take is not right at all.

The word "Classified" is not a level of secrecy, its a term to clarify contents must and can only be read by the name of the recipient, (who must have 'a need to know'), on the cover sheet.

All "Classified" Documents MUST 1st be covered so no one without a "need to know" can see them. A cover sheet being green or red, with the bold words, "Classified": TSAR or SAR, or CAR, or PAR. If the doc's are TSAR or SAR, and outside of a facility which enables open handling of such documents, (like a black ops facility inside); since everyone around you has those clearances; yet not all have a need to know.

However this all changes when the public; or even as noted by the media; and even other politicos, such documents must be locked to the wrist of its carrier if transporting outside a Secured facility, or by the Documents owner's Guards; who have the same clearances, but not 'a need to know'.

A TSAR must per Fed Govt procedures/standards when (inside secured facilities) and outside in public, must be mandatory cover-sheeted in Red TSAR Cover, a Green- SAR, and CAR, a PAR in blue. When inside those facilities, the document must never be sat down or leave the hands of its owner, period. Once done with the documents, they must be burned. If carrying these documents outside of secured facilities, these documents must be handcuffed to their rightful owner, or a designated Security Guard transporter.....(yeah- Jason Statham)...

Computers can be hacked even after emails are deleted, temporary files deleted, still leave traces of all documents recorded on its memory in deep space...

None of these documents had any cover-sheet, and they're bitching about the interior letters header. Even a TSAR document, the highest of all does not per Fed Govt procedure have to have any header other than a RED Stamped TSAR or otherwise, on every page of a document; and all required is a stamp; a header is not necessary, and cover sheets are mandatory, so wtf- Wolf, go fk your ignorant journalism...

TSAR- Top Secret Access Required
SAR- Secrect Access Requiredf
CAR- (fk no this does not mean "classified" it means "Confidential" Access Required.
PAR- Proprietary Access Required.

Yes in all Federal Govt cases of Classified Data, these steps must be in place, and still are not in the Hillary
case. Technically per the Fed Govt's own procedures, standards every classified memo, document must have a bold red stamp, that does not say "Classified", but the Acronyms noted above. While the Cover Sheet, will simply say "Classified", and be in a person's hands at all times, or filed in a bonded tsar storage, or burned....
 
The outlets like Media Matters and the Clinton News Network are spinning so hard right now they're going to end up in orbit. It's absolutely comical watching them trying to wash and reinvent what we can all read with our eyes. Comey said they're going to be looking at the new evidence. That means they're investigating it again.
 
Messiah717 said:
All good questions Ron. The drama just continues. The FBI should've done their job to begin with. Comey made a fool of himself with his explanation to Congress.
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..yes, he did...but you just know he was essentially given orders from Obama.
 
How does Loretta Lynch plead the fifth in regards to the payment made in the Iran deal?
 
...I can't believe how fucking stupid Comey is...the FBI has always had a policy of not commenting on ongoing investigations and the Attorney General told him NOT to send a letter to Congress alerting them that there are more emails and the FBI is reopening it's investigation...but the dumb ass sent the letter anyway.

...wtf is the FBI doing?...it seems they are trying to purposely effect the election....this whole thing reeks.
 
FBI has lost much credibility. Comey should resign!
 
The problem is that Harry Reid is a hack and an idiot. If he actually bothered to read the Hatch Act he would know that employees appointed by the President are exempt. Therefore like much of what Reid says it's complete nonsense.
 
Messiah717 said:
The problem is that Harry Reid is a hack and an idiot. If he actually bothered to read the Hatch Act he would know that employees appointed by the President are exempt. Therefore like much of what Reid says it's complete nonsense.
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...huh?...that's not how I read it...and that's not how many others read it;

"The Hatch Act prohibits FBI officials from using their official authority to influence an election. Reid said that by releasing this information, which he says is not conclusive or pertinent, Comey may have broken the law. Reid referenced a memo from Deputy Attorney General Sally Yates from March of this year that establishes all Justice Department employees, including Comey, are subject to the Hatch Act."


http://www.cnn.com/2016/10/30/politics/harry-reid-letter-hatch-act/



...regardless, there's no way to get around the fact that Comey has botched the Clinton investigation since the very beginning...he's gotta go.
 
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It wasn't botched. It was never real to begin with. Do you think Loretta Lynch met privately on a plane with Bill Clinton at the start of the summer to discuss their summer plans? The end result was always going to be the same regardless of what was found or what Hillary did or didn't do. That's why intent became the key component when in fact that has nothing to do with how classified information is to be handled. Even if Comey recommended charges everyone knows Lynch would've refused advance the case. Botched would mean they were incompetent and didn't know what they were doing. In this case they knew exactly what they were doing and that was protecting Clinton. Even after we know she continuously lied every step of the way. That she never deleted work related emails was a lie. That she never sent or received classified information was a lie. That she answered all questions was another lie after we found out she used the I don't recall or don't remember line over 20 times in her interview with the FBI. It all was a well choreographed performance much like the WWE except in this case we've seen more behind the scenes than was ever intended. Even still it happened right under our noses and we go about our lives and accept it.
 
...Comey botched it...he's the head of the FBI is therefore accountable so yes, he's evidently either incompetent, or is being paid off, or is being instructed to do what he's doing...irregardless, he has zero credibility and should either be fired or resign.

...can you account for him knowing about these latest "emails" for weeks?...and why he's waited till 10 days before the election to disclose them and after being strongly advised not to do so?...and no, waiting on a warrant doesn't wash. He overstepped his bounds by circumventing DOJ procedure by publicly commenting on ongoing investigations...relooking at the investigation is one thing but to go public with it before anything one way or another has been established is irresponsible...and he may or may not be guilty of a crime himself.

Hell, Clinton has even asked the FBI to go ahead and release everything they have but they won't do it....am I sticking up for Clinton?...hell no, am I voting for Clinton?...hell no.....but that's not the point here.

...she's going to be elected anyway....the point is the DOJ and the FBI and perhaps even Obama have made a farce of this whole thing.
 
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Again, botched is something done out of incompetence or continuous mistakes along the way. This was never going anywhere from the start. The FBI is part of the Department of Justice. The Attorney General is Loretta Lynch who was appointed by Obama. Earlier in her career she was appointed by Bill Clinton to serve as US Attorney. It's really not very difficult to put this one together. I get that people wanted Hillary charged and the evidence surely seemed to point that way but it was never going to happen. The only way was if Obama had a personal vendetta against Hillary and directed things to escalate to that regard. You certainly can't expect that to happen not only because of the political fallout but because you can be certain Clinton has dirt on Obama because slime like Hillary is certain to have insurance policies.

As for releasing what they have Clinton knows the FBI isn't going to do that so it's just a stunt. Furthermore, if you really don't think she already knows she would know exactly what they have just by asking Huma. She most likely has asked her what exactly is or could possibly be on that computer.

It certainly has been a farce and I think everyone you mentioned has had a hand in it. I hate how Comey handled things because before all of this he was referred to by just about everyone as being a straight shooter. What he ended up doing was leaving his agents twisting in the wind and if you believe the reports he currently has a stack of resignations on his desk from a group of men and women who thought they weren't going to be sold out or succumb to political pressure. The July press conference was a complete joke. He laid out the case against Hillary clearly and then invented an excuse of why he wouldn't recommend charges. Something that really wasn't his place to begin with so you do have to ask yourself why he would fall on his sword like that. The FBI's job is to bring cases to the prosecutor or in this case the AG and they decide whether or not there's enough evidence to move forward. You don't gather evidence, lay the case out and then decide well we're not going to allow it to move forward because no prosecutor would move forward with the case. How would he know unless that was always going to be the case to begin with. Why insist on focusing on intent when it has nothing to do with the law Hillary would be accused to violating? Not to mention if intent was the road they wanted to do down the first time Hillary lied that would be enough to establish intent anyway.

As for the letter to Congress it really doesn't matter if he sent it seven days ago or three days ago. I have two theories on why he did it. The less likely is that he and his agents have more than they're letting on about what they found on Huma's laptop. The second theory is that in what will still likely be a GOP controlled Congress after the election he didn't want to sit in front of a Congressional Committee again and explain why he didn't inform them of the new information and that the FBI was again investigating. Either way it's still important to point out that this entire mess was the result of Hillary's actions and her complete disregard for national security. In actuality a self imposed wall of protection for her to conduct her Clinton Foundation activities while Secretary of State.
 
^^^Mess, we discussed months ago the likelihood of Clinton being absolved of wrongdoing and the likelihood of being the scenes meddling in the FBI investigation from other departments and offices...so we should not be surprised when it turned out like we thought it would.

...but Comey used very poor judgment IMO, and even most Republican leaders agree...and whether or not it was a partisan move or not, he's out on a limb by himself now and in a no win situation and will surely be dismissed or resign after this latest investigation is over.

...and IF he was persuaded/ordered by Obama or anyone else to cover things up or to give Clinton the benefit of the doubt, he's just as complicit as they are and if he were such a straight shooter he should have quietly resigned at that time. If you were instructed by your boss to do something that you knew was illegal and/or immoral in order to save your job, would you do it.?...from what little I know about you, I would wager that you would not.
 
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