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I've reached the point where I couldn't care less what the establishment on both sides had to say anymore. We've been lied to for so long we've grown to accept it.
 
Whether it ends up being Clinton or Trump taking over that seat, I honestly think were in trouble. And I'll be curious to see who Trump picks as his running mate since he's pretty much alienated everyone to date. And hell, I'm hoping its not the fat blowhard who's even a bigger ego maniac than Trump, Chris Christie.
 
Messiah717 said:
I've reached the point where I couldn't care less what the establishment on both sides had to say anymore. We've been lied to for so long we've grown to accept it.
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...yup, our government is nearly as fucked up as the Yanx roster.
 
Rick2583 said:
Whether it ends up being Clinton or Trump taking over that seat, I honestly think were in trouble. And I'll be curious to see who Trump picks as his running mate since he's pretty much alienated everyone to date. And hell, I'm hoping its not the fat blowhard who's even a bigger ego maniac than Trump, Chris Christie.
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...indeed, we are in trouble...and it has happened gradually over the years while we were asleep.
 
Rick2583 said:
Whether it ends up being Clinton or Trump taking over that seat, I honestly think were in trouble. And I'll be curious to see who Trump picks as his running mate since he's pretty much alienated everyone to date. And hell, I'm hoping its not the fat blowhard who's even a bigger ego maniac than Trump, Chris Christie.
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If it got that far I think you would see Christie as the AG not the VP.
 
The thing is Ryan and company really don't hold any cards. They either back the nominee or they're willing to just hand Hillary the election. Trump is meeting with Ryan next week and at the end of the day he has no choice but to endorse him.
 
...I don't think it matters one way or the other, because like I said the GOP is fucked...they can't agree on the color of shit.

...and yes, Trump and Ryan meet next week but Trump is going to have to change his ways on a few things before he gets and endorsement from Ryan and the others, which in itself creates a problem...I mean, which version of Trump do people vote for?...the old Trump or the "new and improved" Trump?
 
Messiah717 said:
The thing is Ryan and company really don't hold any cards. They either back the nominee or they're willing to just hand Hillary the election. Trump is meeting with Ryan next week and at the end of the day he has no choice but to endorse him.
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Yep- and my guess is, if the "Party" is trying to bring down Trump or trying to control or change him, there's going to be a lot of backlash from constituencies throughout the country and some of these ESTABLISHMENT CONSERVATIVES might be looking for new jobs when it's their turn. And I hope so.


Trump (unquestionably) is the one significant energizing GOP factor of this primary season- producing a record number of GOP voters who aren't going to apologize to anyone.
If Ryan, Graham, McConnell, Romney (lol), ect...and the rest of those out of touch dopes don't realize Trump voters repudiated THEM just as much as any of his opponents, then things are really worse than we thought.

They make me laugh- here they are, out there being The Defenders of the Faith, The Standard Bearers of Proper Conservatism...... and they're spitting in the faces of millions of GOP voters who have been speaking loud and clear during the primaries

A Trump spokesperson (Katrina Pierson) responds and shines a light on them.
Bless her heart.

"The last two presidential cycles we were told John McCain was a conservative. His conservative review score card is a 37%. We were told Mitt Romney was a conservative and he was pro-abortion, pro-gay marriage, pro-adoption, gave us Obamacare. And we were told to hold our noses and vote for the sake of the party. These same people are now telling us that because their guy didn't win, they want to hurt the party. The issue here isn't about Donald Trump -- if you can't hold yourself to the standard you hold everyone else to, the problem is with you."

 
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Chump "making the deals." He's incapable of delivering, creating, and/or striking any concessions; (let alone deals), with those South of the Border, (excluding his NAFTA benefited deal, to create jobs in MX, for his Mexican made Clothing Line). While capitalizing on outsourcing and cheap labor, there's your Union Leader for chrisssakes...
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He's incapable of simply being diplomatic, or acting like any respectable ambassador towards any Nation. He is not, and never will be capable enough to fulfill the job. Trumpeteer's are (wannabe') clones of His Fascist agenda, not any different in (minus) mentality, ie IQ scores, intellectual bankruptcy, at its best/worst ...

He will be required too, but will remain clueless, of making more deals in 4 yrs as POTUS, than He's made in an entire lifetime.

Pukin, China, will shred/tear apart the impostor with ease, making our Nation an embarrassment to the human race, let alone Proud Patriots...

One on one with Pukin, and Chump's an instant KO for Russia, China too...

A frightening scenario:
Chump couldn't pass the Psych exam, required for all personnel, who have hands on Nukes, and delivery platforms/systems, yet He won't have to take any exam.....What's wrong with this Picture...???

I would not doubt in his little mind; Chump must think making a deal with Mexico, would have to involve El Chapo....the guy is so in over his head, he might as well be in the wading pool, as shallow as He is...


"Donald Trump was fired by NBC, and they didn't even fire Brian Williams after he lied on the air. If this guy can't even play nice with a TV network, how do we expect him to behave when he's working out deals with world leaders"?

"Miss USA performers, co-hosts, sponsors and judges have all ceased their participation in this year's pageant. Even Macy's announced that they would no longer be carrying clothes from his signature menswear collection, ending their 11-year relationship".

A leader can not be greater than the sum of all His components, and a Nation can not be led by one who's less than a Leader...

the line b/t the bitch, and asshole has always been a blurry line, since he supported Hillary all these years, in every endeavor, including Her run on the W.H. Chump is ensuring Hillary's victory, he too is a clone of his past politico's whom he endorsed; financially and publicly...
 
Is this Hillary with a Donald Duck hairdo, or Chump prior to his makeup...?
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an old post, now she realizes she can look like she just rolled out of bed, wrinkle faced hag, hair uncombed, in her pajamas, and still out perform Donald Duck...but then Chump said, to paraphrase: "I can pull out a gun and shoot someone on the street, and still be elected President.....this guy is in dire need of a nutcracker/shrink....


IF Only Doc- would come out of hiding: -
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yankeesince59 said:
...I don't think it matters one way or the other, because like I said the GOP is fucked...they can't agree on the color of shit.

...and yes, Trump and Ryan meet next week but Trump is going to have to change his ways on a few things before he gets and endorsement from Ryan and the others, which in itself creates a problem...I mean, which version of Trump do people vote for?...the old Trump or the "new and improved" Trump?
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I think this is all part of the reality show. GOPe makes a fuss , meets privately with Trump and they emerge United and focused on a common cause, beat Hillary. He'll commit to a conservative platform, and GOP will cheer the bombast aims at DEMs.
 
Mattingly23NY said:
Chump "making the deals." He's incapable of delivering, creating, and/or striking any concessions; (let alone deals), with those South of the Border, (excluding his NAFTA benefited deal, to create jobs in MX, for his Mexican made Clothing Line). While capitalizing on outsourcing and cheap labor, there's your Union Leader for chrisssakes...
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He's incapable of simply being diplomatic, or acting like any respectable ambassador towards any Nation. He is not, and never will be capable enough to fulfill the job. Trumpeteer's are (wannabe') clones of His Fascist agenda, not any different in (minus) mentality, ie IQ scores, intellectual bankruptcy, at its best/worst ...

He will be required too, but will remain clueless, of making more deals in 4 yrs as POTUS, than He's made in an entire lifetime.

Pukin, China, will shred/tear apart the impostor with ease, making our Nation an embarrassment to the human race, let alone Proud Patriots...

One on one with Pukin, and Chump's an instant KO for Russia, China too...

A frightening scenario:
Chump couldn't pass the Psych exam, required for all personnel, who have hands on Nukes, and delivery platforms/systems, yet He won't have to take any exam.....What's wrong with this Picture...???

I would not doubt in his little mind; Chump must think making a deal with Mexico, would have to involve El Chapo....the guy is so in over his head, he might as well be in the wading pool, as shallow as He is...


"Donald Trump was fired by NBC, and they didn't even fire Brian Williams after he lied on the air. If this guy can't even play nice with a TV network, how do we expect him to behave when he's working out deals with world leaders"?

"Miss USA performers, co-hosts, sponsors and judges have all ceased their participation in this year's pageant. Even Macy's announced that they would no longer be carrying clothes from his signature menswear collection, ending their 11-year relationship".

A leader can not be greater than the sum of all His components, and a Nation can not be led by one who's less than a Leader...

the line b/t the bitch, and asshole has always been a blurry line, since he supported Hillary all these years, in every endeavor, including Her run on the W.H. Chump is ensuring Hillary's victory, he too is a clone of his past politico's whom he endorsed; financially and publicly...
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Seriously, are you making some of this stuff up as you go along or are these your opinions?
This isn't a personal obsession similar to what we see with Cashman and the Yanks....nope, course not.

I can see your concerns....
You're convinced Trump is some kind of maniacal clown who if ever elected as President is going to be overwhelmed by the bright lights- finessed and outwitted by all of those smarter world leaders and he'll eventually destroy America and/or the rest of the world.

It could be the making of some kind of spy thriller.
Who know's? Maybe it'll be a best seller.

It's all good.

It must be tough on Trump as he holds back on Paul Ryan as Ryan beats his chest trying to be relevant facing an American political phenomenon never before seen up to this point.
Don't you just get the feeling Trump is restraining himself concerning Ryan? lol

Trump: "here you have this guy Paul Ryan, 46 years old, he was elected to congress when he was 28 years old, and he wants to preach to me about getting things done, being a good little conservative and winning in the real world"?
"What the fuck does Paul Ryan know about the world, creating jobs, negotiating business deals and what made America great"?

Lmao


Actually, here are some recent real quotes from Trump which kinda puts Ryan in HIS place and puts things in their proper prospective:

"I really think I earned the support from the people. You know, we've gotten more votes than anybody in this position that's ever run for the office,"
Trump told George Stephanopoulos in an interview that will air on "This Week" Sunday.

Trump also has a message to deliver to Ryan when he meets with him on Capitol Hill next week.
"I'm gonna say, 'Look, this is what the people want," he said.

"I am confident that I can unite much of it (the party). Some of it,I don't want".
Trump said on the "Today" show.

"But honestly, there are some people I really don't want. I don't think it is necessary. People will be voting for me, they're not voting for the party."


That's all folks.

Could this become BIGGER than we know?
Trump beats Hillary AND "the Republican Party"


Wow!
 
Either way, History comes out awash...

Roosevelt fought Polio during His hidden tenure with braces...

JFK required epidurals, trigger points, et al. to deliver a speech on his feet.

Trump would be the first ever sitting President, to require full time Valium and Thorazine, quite fkng interesting...
 
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I love that song....but back to the topic at hand.

I do like Trump doing the same character assassination tactic (he did to GOP field) against the various Dems, this time playing preemptive whack-a-mole on Warren.
 
yankeesince59 said:
...this m-fucker just doesn't get it...I don't think he'll ever learn to stop shooting off his mouth with out thinking first.

http://www.nytimes.com/politics/fir...effort-to-remove-ryan-as-convention-chairman/
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Go for it Donald.....and keep reminding all of your MANY voters about the "pledge" these establishment assholes made prior to the primaries to endorse the eventual Nominee.....and while he's at it, if Ryan continues his backstabbing antics, Trump may as well (and he WILL) also "remind" the people that Ryan is the poster boy for The Estabishment having been a member of Congress since he was 28 years old.


This is getting to look too easy for Trump. I know it can't be this easy....or can it? lmao

Imho- the only chance The GOP Establishment has left to screw Trump and his vast majority of voters is to run a third party candidate which of course will give Hillary a free ticket to the White House and likewise ensure the SCOTUS to be re-loaded with majority leftwing liberals......and then the GOP can enjoy themselves explaining to the American portion of the electorate which isn't Democrat/Liberal in the the 2020 Prez campaign... lol

Assholes.
 
yankeesince59 said:
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^^^...


Lunatic fringe
In the twilight's last gleaming
This is open season
But you won't get too far
Cause you gotta blame someone
For your own confusion
We're on guard this time
(On guard this time)
Against your final solution

We can hear you comin'
No, you're not gonna win this time
We can hear the footsteps
Way out along the walkway


Lunatic fringe
We all know you're out there
Can you feel the resistance
Can you feel the thunder
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yankeesince59 said:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/poli...cdf1fc-1523-11e6-924d-838753295f9a_story.html
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Yep - indeed. These bad numbers (demographics, ect) the Republican Party has faced are probably going to get worse in the foreseeable future and in my opinion, (as I have have previously mentioned), for the Republicans to have a fighting chance to put a dent in the electoral college map it's going to take something and/or someone special who is willing to upset the applecart and be brave enough to fight back against the firm hold the PC crowd has had on conservatives/ mainstream media outlets and dare to leave himself open to cheap-shot negative ads and soundbytes painting him as a racist.
Unfortunately, at this point in American history there are issues which need to be brought forward using a hammer!
Trump was and still is speaking about ILLEGAL "immigration" ....he said there are Mexicans illegally crossing the border who are committing violent crimes. And the numbers are very disproportionate to their population. Anyone want to debate this?

http://www.breitbart.com/big-journa...counts-for-over-30-of-murders-in-some-states/

And concerning his call to ban Muslim immigration into the U.S. - The head of the FBI and other security officials have admitted they have no means to vet and identify potential refugees and "immigrants" from hostile regions. Exit polls during the primaries show over 60% of GOP voters AGREEING with Trump.
Very recently there have been loud protests in Germany opposing further Muslim immigration.

Head to head vs Trump- Let's see Hillary look into the eyes of the American people and take the side of illegality, open borders and violence AGAINST American citizens.

Bring it on. She's going to be dealing with a pitbull.
Trump can win this thing ---- imho


And of course speaking out against foreign trade deals resulting in America being taken to the cleaners with hundreds of billions of dollars in deficits doesn't sit well with the establishment because THEY are the ones
who have been on duty while it's happening.

Back to Hillary and Trump.
The GOP's problem with the electoral college map has been well known for quite some time.
It was recognized by me in part of a post in a December thread started by Matt.


http://www.sportstwo.com/threads/obumanation-lets-review-the-last-7-years.292766/

(post #9)
The Democrat (Hillary), is basically going to start the election with 111 electoral votes in the bag with Cali, NY, Mass, NJ.
Then we have 90 electoral votes available in PA, ILL, OH, GEO,MICH.
Just any TWO of those gives the Democrat at least 32 more electoral votes which brings the total to 143 and possibly 151 electoral votes depending on which two......any three of those states brings the total to at least 161, possibly 169 electoral votes.
Then we have Florida (29) which has gone Democrat in the past two Pres elections, if it goes to the Democrat, the Republican will need a tiny miracle to win the election...and Texas is an absolute MUST for the Republican.

Imo, the one guy who could reach enough undecideds, play better across cultural lines and regular working class people is Trump.
Don't be surprised if he does better than expected (if he's the Republican nominee) with the black and Hispanic American/ legal immigrant vote when he emphasizes how illegal immigration is harming and taking away jobs from "the working people" and young minorities (as well as working class whites).
In the end, people will always vote for their wallet, family and national security and Trump has made these front and center.

I think his message of bringing jobs back to America by being business friendly along with his background of "building", creating jobs and improving the infrastructure will resonate.
If he is the Republican candidate vs Hillary.

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blgridesagain, Dec 3, 2015

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I still believe Trump has a real chance of winning Florida (vs Hillary) and a couple of other states by reaching swing voters, Independents, blue collar workers...act.....he might even get some of the younger voters/college students who do NOT like Hillary.


The GOP has to get behind Trump and let him swing his hammer and do his thing and allow him to tear down the whole Democrat shithouse.

The clock is ticking.

IMO - this is the only real chance the GOP has of winning this election and stopping the trend of America leaning left going forward in this country.....
......and "everyone" knows it (I think, lol) - including the Democrats.
 
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http://www.hughhewitt.com/three-paths-forward-gop/

Some may wonder what Hewitt is referring by "go to the House". If no candidate obtains 270 electoral votes, presidential elections are settled in the House of Representatives.

That requires Trump to break into the blue wall and the 3rd party candidate to break into the red wall. Possible but not plausible. Easier to deny Trump the nomination.
 
I'm reading a lot of "contested convention" chatter on twitter from the conservative pundit class. line of reasoning regarding this rift with Ryan could lead GOP rules committee to completely blow up delegate binding well in advance of Cleveland. Door is opening for 18th candidate....
 
...both Trump and the GOP could have handled things so much better throughout this whole mindless deal.
 
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