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My guess is he did more business outside of the USA that he wants known - he is a businessman and the excessive regulations here would force anyone who wants to profit to offshore for production. If there was any true problem with his taxes, as you say, any audits would be complete by now and we would know all about it. Obama's IRS would have done him in if there was anything. So that's all you're looking at IMO, and it goes against his America First theme so he's decided not to release them.

Bill Clinton was a million times worse. Frankly I don't really care about his affairs from a decade ago, it has nothing to do with his performance in office now. And I find it petty and proof of media collusion that a porn star gets so much time, while peace in the Koreas is ignored. Maybe for some it takes longer to see the pattern of the MSM collusion, but being cord-cut for so long I think has made it easier for me to see it.

Fox is one outlet, read others, I would strongly encourage anyone now to go beyond MSM outlets and look to individual, independent reporting. You'll get a much straighter story from someone like Tim Pool than you will from CNN. Forget Fox, there are a ton of other outlets out there who don't 100% agree with Trump who are infinitely more honest. My favorite journalist/talk personality is Ben Shapiro, and he mostly can't stand Trump, but will praise him when he thinks he deserves it (that's usually Israel with Ben).

So to think that Fox is the only news outlet on earth that has anything pro-trump I think would mean you're limiting your options to the mainstream outlets, the ones that are bought-out globalist mouthpieces for the most part. Like too many current Dem politicians.
 
BigDaddyAl1973 said:
Some would say that Fox is the disgrace so now what. And as usual a Trump fan misses the point about the porn star but that is what you guys do misdirection.
If Russia is a phony narrative, let's see president twitters tax returns so we see that he has no involvement with Russian organizations. Any Russian bank accounts? Foreign Income is a big topic when it comes to who this country may or may not put a tax tariff.
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^^^have you also noticed that if Trump's fan boys try hard enough they'll vainly attempt to justify everything that waste of human flesh says or does...funny to watch actually, in a sad and demented sort of way.
...Listening to Trump apologists is like listening to someone who has turrets of the mouth.
 
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...this just in; Melania's approval rating is much higher than her husband's....very compelling argument for anyone being a fan of The Donald.
 
yankeesince59 said:
^^^have you also noticed that if Trump's fan boys try hard enough they'll vainly attempt to justify everything that waste of human says or does...funny to watch actually, in a sad and demented sort of way.
...Listening to Trump apologists is like listening to someone who has turrets of the mouth.
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^^^^

turrets of the mouth, isn't that another medical term for anal warts of the esophagus & mouth....

not sure which is more comical and sad, listening to Trumpet rant, gloat, and lie 2401 times; or hearing his blind sheep followers bah-bah bahing defending him as they leap off the cliff; while swearing it's a giant leap for all mankind....
 
BigDaddyAl1973 said:
Some would say that Fox is the disgrace so now what. And as usual a Trump fan misses the point about the porn star but that is what you guys do misdirection.
If Russia is a phony narrative, let's see president twitters tax returns so we see that he has no involvement with Russian organizations. Any Russian bank accounts? Foreign Income is a big topic when it comes to who this country may or may not put a tax tariff.
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Honestly I'd not be surprised if he does have a hidden bank account in Moscow or Azerbaijain, of which he's been fed $$$ from the Russian Mob. His tax returns will not only expose his corruption and feeding off of NYC taxpayers blood; but will also certainly reveal "Tax Evasion(s)" ...not even his crooked accountants could keep up with this crooked fraud since the man is incapable of speaking one word of truth...

I've stated before, with shady business dealings as he's had overseas, that alone would eliminate anyone else from obtaining a TSAR (top secret access required clearances). One thing wrong with our system, potus' are exempt from having to meet TSAR application requirements. The very reason his Son-In-Law was unable to obtain a TSAR, the same reason Donald is a crook working against the American people, and t/DOD would laugh in his face IF he had to apply for a TSAR-

https://www.washingtonpost.com/poli...6fda6b404c7_story.html?utm_term=.76fbf9b7a839
 
"The Diluting and Looting of America, let's make Donald Trump great again, and FK over the American public & taxpayer".

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Trampman is very concerned and pushing his agenda to get more jobs for Chinese people
in China!!! Exactly, how does this agenda make America great again? Let all his sheep
followers go live in Siberia or Hunan Province since he advocates more than the resilient
United States!
 
cagedlion said:
Trampman is very concerned and pushing his agenda to get more jobs for Chinese people
in China!!! Exactly, how does this agenda make America great again? Let all his sheep
followers go live in Siberia or Hunan Province since he advocates more than the resilient
United States!
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cagedlion said:
Trampman is very concerned and pushing his agenda to get more jobs for Chinese people
in China!!! Exactly, how does this agenda make America great again? Let all his sheep
followers go live in Siberia or Hunan Province since he advocates more than the resilient
United States!
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To open free trade in return.
 
Mattingly23NY said:
"The Diluting and Looting of America, let's make Donald Trump great again, and FK over the American public & taxpayer".

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Sounds like someone who's jealous they don't have a billion and many successes, properties all over the world, and a lifetime of hot women throwing themselves at him.

What I wonder why more people don't wonder about - not a single voice in any MSM outlet gave Trump anything but love, right up until he became the GOP candidate.

Then he magically became Hitler, overnight. But people keep linking to CNN.
 
cagedlion said:
Trampman is very concerned and pushing his agenda to get more jobs for Chinese people
in China!!! Exactly, how does this agenda make America great again? Let all his sheep
followers go live in Siberia or Hunan Province since he advocates more than the resilient
United States!
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Yup, and not only that, 2-3 months after threatening to totally annihilate N. Korea he's now working on a plan to rebuild their economy in return for a nukes ban that cannot be verified. but blowing up the Iran deal was OK...can you believe that shit?...I can.

But Trump followers will spin it into something as a benefit for America even though it would also mean taking away jobs for Americans...pretzel logic.
 
I'd love for someone to explain to me how Trump's plan will guarantee the denuclearization of N. Korea and why we should trust "Little Rocket Man" ?
But hey, don't try to use facts with Trump followers, it only confuses them and pisses them off.

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Promises made, promises broken

Here's what North Korea -- and the world -- have offered in the past:

-- 1985: North Korea signs the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty, or the NPT -- "a landmark international treaty whose objective is to prevent the spread of nuclear weapons and weapons technology, to promote cooperation in the peaceful uses of nuclear energy and to further the goal of achieving nuclear disarmament and general and complete disarmament," according to the United Nations.

-- 1992: North and South Korea sign a "joint declaration of the Denuclearization of the Korean Peninsula. "The South and the North shall not test, manufacture, produce, receive, possess, store, deploy or use nuclear weapons" and they "shall use nuclear energy solely for peaceful purposes," it states.

-- 1994: North Korea pledges to the United States that it would freeze and eventually dismantle its nuclear program in exchange for international aid, including help building two power-producing nuclear reactors.

-- 2002: US President George W. Bush labels North Korea, Iran and Iraq an "axis of evil," saying that "by seeking weapons of mass destruction, these regimes pose a grave and growing danger." The administration later reveals North Korea admitted to operating a secret nuclear weapons program in violation of the 1994 deal.

-- 2003: The United States and other nations halt energy aid, and North Korea withdraws from the NPT. Later, the Six Party Talks begin over Pyongyang's nuclear program. The talks include the United States, China, Japan, Russia, South Korea and North Korea.

-- 2005: North Korea tentatively agrees to give up its entire nuclear program, including weapons. In exchange, the United States, China, Japan, Russia and South Korea say they will provide energy assistance to North Korea, as well as promote economic cooperation.

-- 2006: North Korea claims to have successfully tested its first nuclear weapon. The test prompts the UN Security Council to impose a broad array of sanctions.

-- 2008: The Six Party Talks break down over North Korea's refusal to allow international inspectors unfettered access to suspected nuclear sites, according to the Arms Control Association. North Korea says the US side fails to follow through on its commitments, too.

-- 2010: State media in North Korea report that the government issued a memo saying the country "will be party to nonproliferation and disarmament agreements 'on an equal footing with other nuclear weapons states.'"

-- 2011: "After a meeting between Russian President Dmitry Medvedev and North Korean leader Kim Jong Il, Pyongyang says that it would be willing to observe a moratorium on the production and testing of nuclear weapons and missiles" in the context of resumption of Six Party Talks," according to the Arms Control Association.

-- 2012, North Korea agrees to suspend the operations of its Yongbyon uranium enrichment plant and begin moratoriums on nuclear and long-range missile tests. Washington promises food aid. Washington later says it suspended the food aid after North Korea said it would launch a satellite.

-- 2016: North Korea signals a willingness to resume negotiations on denuclearization, according to the Arms Control Association.
 
yankeesince59 said:
But hey, don't try to use facts with Trump followers, it only confuses them and pisses them off.
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the dumbing down of America, every time a Trump Supporter speaks ...
I know, I know, we have tried and failed many times and I'm absolutely convinced it’s a complete waste of time to try to talk sense to a Trump supporter.

If they had common sense, they wouldn’t have voted for him in the first place, right?
The second rule of talking sense to Trump supporters is that you cannot discuss Trump’s promises or policies and how they will adversely affect the Trump supporters. We normals see Trump’s signature health care and tax bills, and his billionaire, CEO, banker, and corporate lobbyist cabinet picks, for what they are, political tools designed to help the wealthy and their corporations, at the expense of the poor and middle classes. We see his many broken promises and outright reversals as meaningless campaign rhetoric intended to sucker voters into thinking Trump really cared about their tiny little lives. But Trump supporters don’t really know, much less, understand what his policies are. Heck, even Trump doesn’t know what they are, admitting last week: “I don’t stand by anything.”
 
Like I said, Al, trying to discuss facts to people why blindly fellate Trump is a total waste of time...they are totally oblivious to actual facts.
...and fwiw, the jews are not always right either.
 
BigDaddyAl1973 said:
Why is it that an American President say what a capital of another country should be. How many of our allies agree with this move? How does this make america great again other than sticking out nose into a place it doesnt belong.
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Well I should state that I'm very pro Israel, especially in light of Hamas being the "leadership" for the Palestinians.

I care much more for their opinion, I think the UN and many EU nations (though not all, some want to follow our example and move their embassy as well) are way too anti Israel.

You tell me how you're supposed to negotiate with Hamas? There will never be peace so long as Hamas is the Palestinian government. You can't deny the Jews their right to be in Jerusalem, and moving our embassy there IMO is the right way to go. Don't give in to Hamas/terror one inch.

We have an embassy there, diplomatic relations are not butting our nose in anywhere it doesn't belong, and it's legit to put it in Jerusalem.
 
Godzuki said:
Well I should state that I'm very pro Israel, especially in light of Hamas being the "leadership" for the Palestinians.

I care much more for their opinion, I think the UN and many EU nations (though not all, some want to follow our example and move their embassy as well) are way too anti Israel.

You tell me how you're supposed to negotiate with Hamas? There will never be peace so long as Hamas is the Palestinian government. You can't deny the Jews their right to be in Jerusalem, and moving our embassy there IMO is the right way to go. Don't give in to Hamas/terror one inch.

We have an embassy there, diplomatic relations are not butting our nose in anywhere it doesn't belong, and it's legit to put it in Jerusalem.
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Who are you or us as a country that can make a statement "You can't deny the Jews their right to be in Jerusalem" Careful with your response as the multiple Indian Nation leaders may take you up on any of your thoughts.
 
makes me think William Blake's Poem, set to music byof an old classic ELP tune great Emerson, Lake and Palmer tune....

"And did the Countenance Divine,
Shine forth upon our clouded hills?
And was Jerusalem builded here
Among these dark Satanic mills?"

Hard to believe the tune was banned in England, being too controversial, wtf, 1973- classic

 
BigDaddyAl1973 said:
Who are you or us as a country that can make a statement "You can't deny the Jews their right to be in Jerusalem" Careful with your response as the multiple Indian Nation leaders may take you up on any of your thoughts.
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^^^ Thank you, Sir for adding more common sense to the convo...but again, when dealing with Trumpists you are wasting your breath with simple logic and facts..."it confuses them and/or pisses them off".

...ask them to provide facts to back up their claims and you won't get any...all you'll get is blind faith and false bravado.
 
BigDaddyAl1973 said:
Who are you or us as a country that can make a statement "You can't deny the Jews their right to be in Jerusalem" Careful with your response as the multiple Indian Nation leaders may take you up on any of your thoughts.
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At some point you have to say "things are settled", and there was a treaty that should have done that a long time ago - after WWII.

Or do you want to put every country up for grabs, because over history they've all switched hands several times. From Khan to Napoleon to the Ottomans, humans conquer.

At some point it needs to stop, I think WWII was a good place. At any rate, there is no negotiating with Hamas for who might get what part of Jerusalem. Hamas wants it all, wants every inch of Israel, and wants all of the Jews that live there dead. I wouldn't let a death cult like that place any restrictions on what the US does in Jerusalem, we can have our embassy there if we want. Doing so tells Hamas in no uncertain terms that Jerusalem will never be yours 100%, the Jews have a claim to it that won't ever go away.
 
yankeesince59 said:
I love hearing from uninformed sources.
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That's a little vague. At any rate, human conquest is indeed a thing, has been throughout history. Native American Indians aren't a citation that means the Jews are wrong to be in Israel.

At some point, you have to decide who has what, where the borders are. That will never be done with Hamas, Jerusalem will never be a place that Jews won't exist in, Period.
 
Mattingly23NY said:
makes me think William Blake's Poem, set to music byof an old classic ELP tune great Emerson, Lake and Palmer tune....

"And did the Countenance Divine,
Shine forth upon our clouded hills?
And was Jerusalem builded here
Among these dark Satanic mills?"

Hard to believe the tune was banned in England, being too controversial, wtf, 1973- classic
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Thanx Matts...and let's not forget the 1967 war.
 
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