Trump Calls for Complete Shutdown of Muslims Entering U.S.

[barfo]

I'm so sick of liberal pussies. I used to consider myself a left winger, but they disgust me now.

Right on! Pussies are disgusting!

Oh wait... maybe not.

barfo

 

[KingSpeed]

Ugh. This whole diatribe is wrong on so many levels. Point #1, about this being used as an ISIS recruiting tool. Really? That's what's going to push someone over the edge into wanting to kill people? If it does, they were whacked out anyway and would have joined at any provocation. But this is like saying, "if a burglar tries to break into your house, you better just let him, otherwise he's going to get mad and rob your home.

Point #2. No, it's not. Trump's comments had nothing to do with internment camps or deportation. He's saying don't allow immigration. Not allowing a forgiener to immigrate here is in no way similar to putting a citizen in an interment camp.

Point #3. Most Muslim terror attacks have taken place in Europe where guns are banned, also, they've been bombings that are detonated remotely. The recent attack we had in the US, no one in the building had a gun. What do you think would have happened if they had run into a building full of armed people and started shooting?

Sinobas- this is America. We don't discriminate based on religion. Even if they are against homosexuality, they are free to believe what they wish to believe. They can't break the law or deny someone else their rights but they are entitled to their beliefs. It is unconstitutional to deny access to our country based on religion. Your thinking is incredibly dangerous. You are naive and you feel comfy because you're not Muslim but how will you feel when people come after you and YOUR religion whatever that may be?

 

[KingSpeed]

Case in point, Sinobas:

 

[KingSpeed]

And I know you said it's just immigration but what message does that send to the Muslims who are here? Makes them 2nd class citizens who aren't wanted.

 

[Sinobas]

Sinobas- this is America. We don't discriminate based on religion. Even if they are against homosexuality, they are free to believe what they wish to believe. They can't break the law or deny someone else their rights but they are entitled to their beliefs. It is unconstitutional to deny access to our country based on religion. Your thinking is incredibly dangerous. You are naive and you feel comfy because you're not Muslim but how will you feel when people come after you and YOUR religion whatever that may be?

What you are posting is insanity. We're not supposed to notice or care what Muslims do simply because it's under the mantle of "religion". And when has the "religious" excuse ever worked in a court of law here, when it comes to doing things that violate other people's rights? Furthermore, Trump wasn't even talking about Muslims living in America, they are free to practice their religion in their own country, we are under no obligation to take them in.

 

[Sinobas]

And I know you said it's just immigration but what message does that send to the Muslims who are here? Makes them 2nd class citizens who aren't wanted.

I don't really give a fuck how it makes them feel. Their religion makes people feel bad all the time, all over the world. We have to do what we have to do to protect our nation. And if they really stand for American values, they shouldn't want them coming over either.

 

[Sinobas]

Case in point, Sinobas:

Ridiculous. No one is "coming for" anyone. But on the flip side, Muslims might indeed come for you, since you are not exactly popular in their eyes. Should we let them have you, so that we don't "discriminate against religion". If we were to follow your logic, it would be unconstitutional to prohibit them from practicing Sharia justice upon you. It's part of their religion.

 

[blue32]

SlyPokerDog is so ignorant. Isis can use Trump's statement as a recruiting tool. You don't call out 99.9999% of Muslims for what a few have done. Are you a Christian? By Trump's way of thinking, we should put all Christians in internment camps for their terrorist actions. It's ridiculous. Luckily, almost everyone on both sides of the aisle have condemned Trump's statement. It's UnAmerican! Make America Great Again? More like Make America Hate Again. As for guns, has anyone ever used a gun to defend themselves during a terrorist attack? Not that I can remember. Also, do you think guns helped all the people trapped in the World Trade Center on 9/11? More guns equals more gun violence.

Sly, you didn't have to edit out his insult. It doesn't bother me, thick skin and all. Plus, it's Kingspeed, he's harmless
I'll address your points in a list.

1. ISIS doesn't need Trump to make a recruiting tool. They have enough material from the previous leaders. So this is a moot.

2. You are correct, you do not call out 99% of Muslims they way he has done. But I also understand what the dumbass is trying to do, even though I do agree he went about it the wrong way.

3. No I am not Christian; I am open to whatever is proven. I was baptized Catholic though, if that helps you out.

4. He said nothing about internment camps, that's just people freaking out and putting words into peoples mouths.

5. UnAmerican... I guess so. But, I also see in the future that the more diverse we allow America to become, the less America becomes America. You start having a free territory with segregated pockets of people and their religion, not wanting to blend in with each other. Thus fighting each other. I'd hate that. But that's what this country is about, so to me, it's going to be very hard to win this ISIS/Islam 'war' on America.

6. Your slogan humor is meh. That's not what he's proposing. He's just pandering to the people that want to close up the borders and focus on America only.

7. Has anyone ever used guns to defend themselves in a terrorist attack? I don't know, and I am sure there is absolutely no way for you or myself to answer that question with 100% authority. You'd have to interview every single person involved in a terrorist attack.

8. Do I think guns helped people in the WTC? No, but I see where you are going. And I can see how guns would have helped the 14 people at the X-mas party. If I was there, I would have fired back (If safe to do so) defending myself and those innocent people, and if ALL of those people were armed, it most likely wouldn't have happened.

9. More guns does not equal more violence; that is just you believing the democratic agenda hype train. More people carry than you are even aware of. Gun safety training, responsibility , awareness, etc and having more people conceal carry most certainly could help reduce these types of crimes. Just because people carry a gun doesn't make them now more violent.


My overall stance on the Trumpster, is that I dislike his statement on Muslims (mainly because people don't understand past the hard language). But I understand what he was trying to go after. I also think there is something Americans have to do to try to eliminate ISIS attacks on home soil. This is a Muslim vs Christian/Western world war. It's been going on for centuries and wont stop. Which is why I believe that we need to build our country back up, reduce the mental health crisis, adjust the gun laws to address mental idiots from getting them, allowing more (capable) people to carry (and not having people like you freak out about it) and toughen this society up a little bit so we stop being fucking victims.

But...that's my opinion, and I don't see some of that happening because we would rather believe in the fear of guns, and fear of not being PC.

 

[blue32]

I don't really give a fuck how it makes them feel. Their religion makes people feel bad all the time, all over the world. We have to do what we have to do to protect our nation. And if they really stand for American values, they shouldn't want them coming over either.

Yes. agree.

 

[blue32]

Ridiculous. No one is "coming for" anyone. But on the flip side, Muslims might indeed come for you, since you are not exactly popular in their eyes. Should we let them have you, so that we don't "discriminate against religion". If we were to follow your logic, it would be unconstitutional to prohibit them from practicing Sharia justice upon you. It's part of their religion.

Amen. lol

 

[Nikolokolus]

American values? Oh, like freedom of religion, freedom of expression, separation of church and state? Those kind of values or did you have something else in mind? Don't get me wrong, refugees entering this country should be vigorously screened and it shouldn't be a free-for-all of immigration, and I have serious reservations about the compatibility of Islam with liberal western culture, but that's no excuse to make a blanket law restricting immigration on the basis of a religious test (which would be nearly impossible to design anyway).

 

[Denny Crane]

American values? Oh, like freedom of religion, freedom of expression, separation of church and state? Those kind of values or did you have something else in mind? Don't get me wrong, refugees entering this country should be vigorously screened and it shouldn't be a free-for-all of immigration, and I have serious reservations about the compatibility of Islam with liberal western culture, but that's no excuse to make a blanket law restricting immigration on the basis of a religious test (which would be nearly impossible to design anyway).

This.

Christians whine all the time about some war on religion going on here and yet they'll jump on a war on religion bandwagon against Islam and Muslims. Only a wee bit hypocritical.

 

[Sinobas]

American values? Oh, like freedom of religion, freedom of expression, separation of church and state? Those kind of values or did you have something else in mind? Don't get me wrong, refugees entering this country should be vigorously screened and it shouldn't be a free-for-all of immigration, and I have serious reservations about the compatibility of Islam with liberal western culture, but that's no excuse to make a blanket law restricting immigration on the basis of a religious test (which would be nearly impossible to design anyway).

Yes, exactly, Islam is very much against freedom of expression and separation of church and state (and many other things). The West has already tried this experiment, and look how it's working out in Europe.

Sorry, don't see anything wrong with seeing that a group of people are prone to be dangerous and anti-social to your society, and letting them into your country. I think it's stupid not to. I don't understand what is wrong with people these days, it's like people are totally brainwashed.

 

[Sinobas]

This.

Christians whine all the time about some war on religion going on here and yet they'll jump on a war on religion bandwagon against Islam and Muslims. Only a wee bit hypocritical.

Being hypocritical is acting contrary to your stated beliefs, so no don't see any hypocracy there. Christians are talking about things like Christmas and teaching creation in schools. And that's child's play compared to this issue.

 

[Denny Crane]

Being hypocritical is acting contrary to your stated beliefs, so no don't see any hypocracy there. Christians are talking about things like Christmas and teaching creation in schools. And that's child's play compared to this issue.

Intolerant of other religions.

Can I be more concise?

 

[Sinobas]

Intolerant of other religions.

Can I be more concise?

Oh, are Christians calling for a ban on other religions? I thought we were talking about Donald Trump saying we should stop immigration of Muslims till we "figure out what is going on". Sorry, this is really about christians. Bad, hypocrtical christians!

 

[Denny Crane]

Oh, are Christians calling for a ban on other religions? I thought we were talking about Donald Trump saying we should stop immigration of Muslims till we "figure out what is going on". Sorry, this is really about christians. Bad, hypocrtical christians!

"Religion of peace."

Seen that before?

 

[Sinobas]

But seriously, it's not like Islam is being singled out because its fat. I think this has nothing to do with christianity, and yet they are often brought in by left-wingers to distract from the main point. That is, the danger of global jihad. No one is calling for us to stop the immigration of any other religion.

 

[Sinobas]

"Religion of peace."

Seen that before?

It's bizaare how powerful labels are these days, even when the exact opposite is true. Islam is the most violent religion on earth today. It's like calling the Mexican Mafia the "peace club".

 

[Denny Crane]

It's bizaare how powerful labels are these days, even when the exact opposite is true. Islam is the most violent religion on earth today. It's like calling the Mexican Mafia the "peace club".

The religion isn't violent. A tiny minority is using religion to achieve political power. This minority is willing to bomb mosques to instill fear in the peoples they want to control.

Not much unlike christians here who thump the bible and cherry pick a few verses to hate gays.

Where Muslims have been free to create their own governments, they are tolerant of other religions, feature quite a few western values, treat their women well, etc. Their nations are no more religious than England with it's state run Anglican church.

Muslims haven't been free to create their own governments in most places. The middle eastern nations were designed by the British when they ended their imperialistic occupation of those lands. They created arbitrary states with arbitrary borders and installed leadership and government of their choosing.

I don't paint billions of people as evil, with a broad brush, because of the deeds of 10s or 100s of thousands (a tiny minority). But Christians do. You do.

What nation has the largest muslim population? Is it peaceful? Why don't you dwell on them for a while!

The violence is clearly ethnicity based, not really much to do with religion. It's Sunni fighting Shi'ia and Kurds.

 

[Nikolokolus]

I don't think you can cleanly dismiss the religious component; there's definitely something there compelling some people to take a hard-line interpretation of the Hadith and the Qua-ran. But Islamism is definitely more of a reaction against the failed military states that rose up in the wake of the second World War, than it is any kind of pure expression of Islam. As always, it's insanely complicated and layered.

 

[Denny Crane]

https://www.google.com/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&ion=1&espv=2&ie=UTF-8#q=mosque bombing

 

[e_blazer]

What nation has the largest muslim population? Is it peaceful? Why don't you dwell on them for a while!

Interesting question and I didn't know the answer so I did a little investigating:

"The largest Muslim population in a country is in Indonesia, a nation home to 12.7% of the world's Muslims."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islam_by_country

Roughly 88% of the population is Muslim. While traditionally Indonesia has promoted tolerance of other religions, things have changed in recent years. Aceh province is the most conservative area of the country and has adopted sharia law, including floggings, stoning of adulterers & homosexuals. There is increasing violence towards Christians and those of other faiths:
http://www.theguardian.com/world/20...lares-in-indonesia-as-mob-torches-aceh-church

http://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-indonesia-aceh-violence-idUKKCN0SD0GI20151019

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/05/22/opinion/no-model-for-muslim-democracy.html?_r=0

From what little I've read, it seems that Indonesia is pretty much a microcosm of the larger Muslim world. While a large majority of Muslims simply want to live in peace, the hardliners are becoming more aggressive about asserting intolerance of those of other faiths and are increasingly resorting to violence towards them.

 

[Denny Crane]

Interesting question and I didn't know the answer so I did a little investigating:

"The largest Muslim population in a country is in Indonesia, a nation home to 12.7% of the world's Muslims."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islam_by_country

Roughly 88% of the population is Muslim. While traditionally Indonesia has promoted tolerance of other religions, things have changed in recent years. Aceh province is the most conservative area of the country and has adopted sharia law, including floggings, stoning of adulterers & homosexuals. There is increasing violence towards Christians and those of other faiths:
http://www.theguardian.com/world/20...lares-in-indonesia-as-mob-torches-aceh-church

http://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-indonesia-aceh-violence-idUKKCN0SD0GI20151019

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/05/22/opinion/no-model-for-muslim-democracy.html?_r=0

From what little I've read, it seems that Indonesia is pretty much a microcosm of the larger Muslim world. While a large majority of Muslims simply want to live in peace, the hardliners are becoming more aggressive about asserting intolerance of those of other faiths and are increasingly resulting towards violence towards them.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islam_in_Indonesia

Upon independence there was significant controversy surrounding the role of Islam in politics; this caused enormous tensions. Eventually, "Indonesia adopted a civil code instead of an Islamic one".[12]

In the New Order years (Suharto's presidency), there was an intensification of religious belief amongst Muslims.[15] Under the Suharto regime, all Islamic parties were forced to unite under one government-supervised Islamic party, the Partai Persatuan Pembangunan (Party for Unity and Development or PPP).[7] With Suharto's resignation in 1998, "the structure that repressed religion and society collapsed".[7]

 

[e_blazer]

Do a little more reading and you'll see that what I posted about Aceh province is correct. As far as violence goes:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Religiously_motivated_violence_in_Indonesia

 

[julius]

Carter "banning" Iranians from here is not the same as banning (or closing the door to) Muslims.

One was (is) a nation, the other is a religion of over a billion.

 

[e_blazer]

Trump's "genius" is saying things so outrageous that the media lose their collective mind and go ape-shit giving him free press. Never mind that nearly everything he proposes is unconstitutional on its face and could never be implemented. He loves the attention and his 30% of Republicans who support him eat up the crap he feeds them, but his chances of being elected are zilch because 80 percent of the people in the country would never vote for the buffoon. His ultimate achievement will probably be handing the election to Hillary on a silver platter.

 

[Denny Crane]

Do a little more reading and you'll see that what I posted about Aceh province is correct. As far as violence goes:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Religiously_motivated_violence_in_Indonesia

Similar to Watts riots here.

It's not a prevalent thing in the nation as a whole.

This is still a great example of Islam is a religion of peace in fact.

 

[e_blazer]

Similar to Watts riots here.

It's not a prevalent thing in the nation as a whole.

This is still a great example of Islam is a religion of peace in fact.

Islam is a religion. As with most other human constructs, it can be used for peaceful or violent purposes. Unfortunately for the world at large, and regardless of whether the large majority of its adherents are peaceful, the cancer of a small minority is intent on using its interpretation of Islam in a violent manner to push its agenda of jihad and establishment of a global caliphate. Stating that Islam is a religion of peace has zero impact in resolving the violence of that minority.

 

[Denny Crane]

Islam is a religion. As with most other human constructs, it can be used for peaceful or violent purposes. Unfortunately for the world at large, and regardless of whether the large majority of its adherents are peaceful, the cancer of a small minority is intent on using its interpretation of Islam in a violent manner to push its agenda of jihad and establishment of a global caliphate. Stating that Islam is a religion of peace has zero impact in resolving the violence of that minority.

Mocking it as a "religion of peace" by christians is ignorant and intolerant.

In spite of the violent acts here in the USA, the damage (aside from 9/11) don't compare to what white mostly christian people do (tens of thousands of violent crimes and murders a year).